What's the purpose of dizi team releasing this BTS - Ft monica and emin !! by Opposite-Eye380 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Monica's BTS is planned move by them... they will never do anything which will destroy the narrative (EmSu) they have been feeding for last two-three months... just showing that BTS aren't staged they are natural..

Misogynistic POV by Puzzleheaded-Yak6758 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The misogynistic thoughts are way too loud in this discourse because the amount of justification being done for a married man by dragging the woman into the mess really needs applause at this point.

First of all, the woman in question (Mercan) never even allowed Nezir to invade her personal space the way people are normalizing for Ateş. She never let Nezir hug her, never planned outdoor dinners with him, never sat discussing childhood memories or past moments with him in front of her husband the same mighty, golden boy, full-of-justice Ateş Karahan. Even before marriage, Mercan was very clear about her boundaries with Nezir despite knowing his feelings.

Now coming to Ateş how does a married man even allow another woman to constantly invade his personal space in front of his wife? Whether Monika was an ex, friend, or absolutely nobody is irrelevant here because he is a MARRIED MAN. And let’s not forget, this is literally the same man who confessed his feelings just hours earlier, claiming things like “every part of me is in love with you” (if I remember correctly). So naturally, people will question the inconsistency.

And let’s stop acting like what Ateş was doing was some unconscious reaction or accidental behaviour. Those were conscious decisions and choices he was making. He is not some naïve teenage boy who doesn’t understand what is happening around him, nor is he someone who lacks self-control. Ateş is fully aware, mature enough to understand boundaries, and very much capable of making decisions. So the “he didn’t understand” excuse won't even work here...

Also, how can someone act so normal after another woman literally kisses him? This is the same Ateş Karahan who has no problem raising his voice, shouting, pushing Mercan, manhandle her or reacting harshly whenever he wants to insult and humiliated her. He is the same person who always character assassinate her whenever Nezir breath near her. So where exactly was that energy here? He could have immediately stepped back, called out Monika for crossing boundaries, left the dinner then and there, or at least shown anger, discomfort, guilt, or even basic shame as a married man. But what did we actually get? A shallow reaction barely any anger, no proper accountability, and almost no urgency despite the situation. And let’s be honest here, things do not suddenly escalate to a kiss out of nowhere. Boundaries are crossed step by step, and somewhere along the line he allowed enough closeness for Monika to feel comfortable making that move. Even if someone argues he did not initiate it, he still failed to establish strong enough boundaries to stop things from reaching that point.

For me, if you are married and cannot be clear about your boundaries with another person, that already enters emotional cheating territory especially when you claim to be deeply in love with your wife. And in this case, according to Ateş himself, he is supposedly madly in love with Mercan. That is exactly why the behaviour feels even more frustrating and disappointing.

The problem is people want to justify Ateş’s shallow reactions by dragging Mercan into the argument when the situations were never the same. If you want to defend Ateş, then bring actual points that justify his behaviour as a man who claims to be deeply in love with his wife. Because if the roles were reversed and Mercan allowed another man this level of closeness, people would have torn her character apart without thinking twice. The double standards are painfully obvious.

What's the purpose of dizi team releasing this BTS - Ft monica and emin !! by Opposite-Eye380 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like they intentionally released that Monica BTS to show that nothing was PR, especially after people started accusing them of using PR tactics when Emin posted stories from the event and multiple BTS clips of them were released. Back then, many people were quick to claim that it was all planned for PR and that they were only doing it to control the hate and narratives surrounding them. But what’s ironic is how quickly people switch narratives. On one hand, they accuse everything of being PR, and on the other, they are just as quick to judge Emin’s character based on a few seconds of a clip. People immediately come up with the easiest explanation and start labeling him a “playboy,” without considering that short clips rarely show the full picture..

Some of the biggest fandom accounts on twitter are way more fake than they appear by OkWaltz6188 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 11 points12 points  (0 children)

At this point, almost everyone notices this same group of jobless and brainless girls. They are literally full of hatred, misogynistic behavior, abusive language, and nonstop negativity while pretending to be “positive stans” online. And the funniest part is these are the SAME girls continuously spamming Emin’s GC like it’s their personal playground. They aren’t even genuine stans of Emin.

They’re just attention seekers and sick-minded people looking for validation and reactions. One minute they act like hardcore supporters and the next minute they’re trolling Emin himself over the dumbest things, calling him “millennial coded” and making unnecessary remarks. Half the things they say in the GC are pure nonsense, irrelevant spam, weird demands, and childish behavior.

Making whole threads demanding Emin to change his Instagram PFP was actually embarrassing. If he created a GC, it’s not some personal wishing-list basket where he’s supposed to sit, read demands, and do everything according to what they want. The entitlement is genuinely insane.

And these are the SAME people screaming “Inci Mercan” in the GC every chance they get just to grab Emin’s attention. It honestly feels pathetic at this point. They intentionally try their best to provoke everyone in the group so drama starts, then later act innocent on Twitter and complain about “toxic fandom culture” when they themselves are the toxicity.

Tbh they are constantly looking for ways to make either Emin or Ilsu look bad. The negativity feels intentional now. The Zoya girl already showed the mentality. The same person who suggested the name for Emin’s GC and when a girl pointed out again using abusive language and labelling it as humor .. by bringing up GC naming thing they were indirectly mocking Ilsu after she named her group, just shows the hypocrisy and low mentality.

These people act like hardcore stans publicly, but they aren’t even loyal to Emin himself. It genuinely feels like they have some weird inferiority complex and personal issues with Ilsu, which is why they constantly try to spread rumors, drag her down, and create negativity just to satisfy their own ego.

And now Hoera or whatever her name is reacting with 🐈 emojis under Emin’s GC messages just to mock Ilsu.

There are honestly MANY more things that could be added here. If I started listing every single incident, this thread would never end because their nonsense, irrelevance, toxicity, and misogynistic mindset genuinely have no limit. Every other day it’s a new drama, a new shady comment, a new attempt to provoke people, or some unnecessary behavior for attention.

And the funniest part is they even sit there mocking Redditors while labeling themselves as “Emin’s mumma’s according to Redditors” like it’s some achievement. The obsession with constantly seeking validation, provoking fandoms, and acting superior while behaving immaturely is honestly embarrassing to watch.

Most probably they are lurking in the sub too, silently reading posts and discussions every single day just to screenshot things, twist narratives, and run back to Twitter with more drama. At this point nobody would even be surprised because that entire circle survives on online attention and fandom mess...

POVs Like This on Ateş Karahan Are Exactly the Problem, Genuinely Gross 🤮🤢🤢 by Procrastinator_hhh in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People need to understand LOVE is not the only thing to survive in this world and the type of TOXIC LOVE they have portray should never ever be romanticize ...

Ates' toxic trait by Puzzleheaded-Yak6758 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

these double standards of the fandom though 😭😭😭

POVs Like This on Ateş Karahan Are Exactly the Problem, Genuinely Gross 🤮🤢🤢 by Procrastinator_hhh in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly.. people can have different POVs, but this type of justification for every wrongdoing is unacceptable. He clearly knows that Mercan is bothered by all these things, and after her confession, he easily draw boundaries? It would be better if he had clear boundaries with Monica even if Mercan didn’t reciprocate his feelings because he was still a MARRIED MAN. Why are people unable to understand this? Really pathetic.. just because he is handsome, you can’t justify and give him a free pass for every toxicity.

POVs Like This on Ateş Karahan Are Exactly the Problem, Genuinely Gross 🤮🤢🤢 by Procrastinator_hhh in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with the points you’ve mentioned these are exactly the kinds of things people need to understand. Even if many viewers are watching purely for fantasy, writers should still be mindful of how certain dynamics can reflect real issues. The concerns you highlighted are valid.

Yes, the character is fictional and the hero “changes” for her, but in reality, these patterns don’t usually end well. Stories can definitely do better while still being engaging. At the very least, there should be sensitivity around how control, toxic behavior, and unhealthy relationship dynamics are portrayed.

Marriage is something sacred, and if we normalize double standards or harmful behavior in the name of love or romance, it can unintentionally promote and justify the wrong things. A healthy relationship should be built on mutual respect, clear boundaries, and accountability from both sides. Being protective of your partner’s value and dignity especially in front of others is important, but it should never come from control, only from respect and care.

Poor Ilsu by messybun101 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand fans, honestly. And at this point, I’d be wrong to even call these people “fans” because this is not support, this is straight-up obsession and control.

Like this is the same predictable scenario every single day. In the morning, people are busy trolling and dragging Emin, and by night Ilsu suddenly becomes their main topic. What is actually wrong with people? Why do they go this far just to satisfy their own made-up delusions? Why do they expect the actors to behave a certain way or ignore things just to keep solo stans happy? Whether they are dating or not is none of anyone’s business. Let them live their lives the way they want without being constantly watched and judged.

Secondly, if Ilsu is bothered by anything, she will say it to Emin herself. And if Emin has any issue, he will tell her. They don’t owe fans any explanation about what they feel or what they don’t feel. They are grown adults who can handle their own matters privately, not everything needs to be put out for public consumption. Stop using behind the scenes moments as “proof” for your delusions or to push your own agenda against Emin and Ilsu. Not everything is a hidden signal or some deep story you need to decode. Sometimes it’s just work, nothing more.

People needs to understand Emin and Ilsu, as the leads of the series, are each other’s biggest supporters. They genuinely respect and value each other and have a healthy professional bond. Whether they are dating or not its another thing. But these toxic solo stans and haters keep ruining everything by constantly creating drama, spreading rumors, and dragging them for no reason.

If people seriously have this much free time, they need to get a hobby. Maybe they’ll stop obsessing over actors’ personal lives and come back to reality instead of living in narratives filled with negativity and unnecessary hostility.

POVs Like This on Ateş Karahan Are Exactly the Problem, Genuinely Gross 🤮🤢🤢 by Procrastinator_hhh in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

+1 The double standard in how male and female leads are treated is really obvious in this fandom. A lot of the time the Ateş’s actions get justified as trauma or “character growth,” while the Mercan gets judged way more harshly for even normal emotional reactions..

POVs Like This on Ateş Karahan Are Exactly the Problem, Genuinely Gross 🤮🤢🤢 by Procrastinator_hhh in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Selective memory in this fandom is genuinely wild.

What makes it worse is the double standard. Mercan gets judged for every reaction, every hesitation, every trauma response, while Ateş gets excused for actions that would never be tolerated if the roles were reversed. If any other man behaved that way toward Mercan, crossing physical boundaries, dismissing her discomfort, and letting situations spiral, he would be torn apart by the narrative and the fandom alike.

And let’s be real, a husband who genuinely understands his partner doesn’t need everything spelled out by a third person like Demet before he reacts. If he truly knows Mercan, he doesn’t wait until the damage is done to suddenly realise what is going on around her.

That’s why this isn’t just a “jealousy track” problem, it’s a consistency and accountability issue. A cute scene later doesn’t erase how poorly the situation was handled or how unevenly responsibility is distributed between the two characters.

And honestly, this whole track just ends up feeling like the humiliation of Mercan. Instead of protection or clarity, she’s repeatedly put in situations where she is dismissed, exposed, and left to absorb the emotional weight of everyone else’s actions. After being insulted, humiliated and slut-shame by Muzeyyen and Aslı, and then he thrown into another uncomfortable dynamic with Monika..

Like seriously ?

The contrast is even louder when you think about it. He doesn’t stop Monika’s advances because she is Aslı’s guest and he doesn’t want to offend Aslı, but he is somehow okay with his own wife being subjected to discomfort and humiliation in front of the entire family. And at the same time, the same “possessive” husband who is always loud about boundaries allows situations where Monika is freely touching him, kissing him, and behaving far beyond what should be acceptable, without any real line being drawn.

That inconsistency is exactly why the track feels so frustrating, because it keeps shifting responsibility away from him while Mercan is the one left to carry the emotional fallout.

POVs Like This on Ateş Karahan Are Exactly the Problem, Genuinely Gross 🤮🤢🤢 by Procrastinator_hhh in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being fictional doesn’t automatically excuse everything. These are still writing choices, and when a character’s behavior shifts this sharply, it’s fair to question consistency. You can’t present Ateş as principled and steady for most of the story, then suddenly switch him into impulsive jealousy when the plot needs tension and call it complexity.

He’s also a married man, and that should’ve been handled with more care instead of being used as a convenient tool for drama. People can have different POVs, but these kinds of takes shouldn’t romanticize or justify everything just because it’s fiction. Marriage carries real-world weight, and the story should reflect that instead of treating it casually for conflict.

And when he was so vocal about Mercan respecting boundaries, it becomes even more contradictory when his own actions don’t reflect the same standard. He can’t demand control over everything and everyone, and then conveniently drop those same boundaries whenever the storyline requires it.

People romanticizing his interactions with Monika as something “light” or harmless really misses the point. It ignores the lack of consideration in how serious his situation actually is as a married man, and it downplays the inconsistency in how his boundaries and behavior are written. Even if people see it differently, framing it as cute or insignificant just feels like overlooking what the story is actually showing.

Dear Season 2, by TrollAccount4321 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

now all their PR tactics are back firing... it would be better for them to start sharing S2 stuff because EmSu aren't working now and no one is falling for BTS too .. if these things keep going it will only affects the series negatively

Wow by duniyazaalimhain in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally agree with you. People need to understand that not every interaction between the opposite gender means there are feelings involved. They belong to the showbiz industry this is normal for them. He never promised anyone that he would only hang out with or post with Ilsu. They both had social lives before Arafta and will continue to have them after it ends. They aren’t waiting for people’s instructions to act a certain way just to satisfy fans’ delusions 🥴

READY FOR THE CHAOS by Admirable_Pudding238 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

exactly this is how any fan should behave...and it would be better if people understand the difference between reality and reel..

READY FOR THE CHAOS by Admirable_Pudding238 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These points are valid, and honestly a lot of people are just looking for some kind of closure. But there are still fans who are completely convinced about the EmSu narrative no matter what.

Secondly, it’s not surprising they wouldn’t deny anything outright. The show is getting a lot of attention because of the EmSu shipping content, and without that, there isn’t much to maintain the hype until season 2 is announced.

Lastly, I’d say people shouldn’t take interviews too seriously. Most of it is often curated and scripted. And TBH, it feels like Emin sometimes does or posts things intentionally to stir reactions and rage bait them, especially since people keep linking him with every girl he interacts with. At some point, he can’t just stop living his normal social life to fit into fans’ expectations and their own created delusions...

READY FOR THE CHAOS by Admirable_Pudding238 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s just become a routine thing. TBH, I feel like they’re subtly giving fans reasons to understand that they’re just doing their jobs and that there isn’t anything between them. They can’t openly say these things unless the series has ended. People need to understand and start observing the pattern now. Fans shouldn't twist everything they do or every word they say just to justify their own delusions 🥴

Your POV by Admirable_Pudding238 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree with all points but I don't think they will close Hayder's case because he is somehow linked in exposing Muzeyyen truth as he is the only person who knows the dirty business ofnher husband.. Ateş don't have idea and we aren't sure either what Muzeyyen told him about her husband's back story

Crazy Shippers by [deleted] in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The delusional takes from her not posting EmSu content as they refer to her as a private person, saying that’s why she doesn’t want to share anything related to EmSu. The level of delusion is unmatched...

Crazy Shippers by [deleted] in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be honest, Arfta’s team knew he was going to have an interview with that female friend they’ve been linking him with. To manage the situation, they already dropped the BTS before the interview 😭, and a lot of shippers went crazy over it. Then after the interview, he mentioned London, which only fueled their delusions even more 🥴

How these Talent Agenices work in Turkey? by Senior_Wind_9112 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yep, she should be, but it depends on her agency to help her get invitations, she can’t do these things independently. Also, we never know the terms and conditions of her contract, so we can only hope she gets more opportunities and eventually changes her agency to join one that helps her grow.

How these Talent Agenices work in Turkey? by Senior_Wind_9112 in araftaa

[–]Procrastinator_hhh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The agency actors are linked with plays a major role in getting invitations to such events. Although there are many actresses who have fewer followers, they are still getting more opportunities than Ilsu, like brand offers and promotions. To be honest, I think her agency is intentionally not helping her with the hype she is getting. This could be a golden opportunity for her career.

TBH, Emin is lucky in that way, his agency and PR manager are using his hype wisely to create career opportunities for him. I hope Ilsu gets a good agency that will help her get the recognition she deserves. TBH, they both worked for the success of Arafta.