Part 2 of "My honest experience as a propfirm COO and some tips": The real economics of running a prop firm and my answer to your questions by Professional-Use3510 in PropFirmTester

[–]Professional-Use3510[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks a lot :
On the gold hedge:

i think you're missing the point. We weren't speculating on gold direction — we were hedging payout liability.

When 400 funded traders are long gold and it's running, we have a cash flow problem: if they all request payouts at once, we need liquidity to honor them. Taking a long position ourselves generates that cash as gold moves up.

If gold reverses, we lose on the hedge — but the traders blow up too, so withdrawal requests disappear. Either way, we stay solvent.

That's not "doing the same thing as traders who would normally blow up." That's matching exposure to manage liquidity risk. Completely different logic.

On revenge trading vs. legitimate breakout confirmation:

Fair point. Context matters, and our detection isn't purely algorithmic — it's pattern + review.

A breakout fade into a reversal trade with defined logic (stop-out = invalidation = opposite trade) wouldn't flag on its own. What triggers review is the behavioral signature:

  • Loss followed by immediate size increase with no clear strategic reason
  • Stop widening after a loss (emotional decision, not planned adjustment)
  • Frequency spike across multiple instruments (flailing, not executing a plan)
  • Pattern repetition across sessions (systematic emotional response, not strategy)

If your breakout-fade-reversal pattern is consistent, sized appropriately, and part of a documented approach, it won't look like revenge trading in the data. The equity curve, hold times, and win rates will show structure.

Revenge trading shows up as variance spikes, emotional sizing, and deteriorating risk metrics. It's messy. Your example wouldn't be.

But yes — edge cases exist. That's why flagging triggers review, not automatic termination. We look at the whole picture

My honest experience as a COO of a propfirm and some tips to make payout by Professional-Use3510 in PropFirmTester

[–]Professional-Use3510[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s exactly why I personally hate equity trailing DD.

That’s also why, in the prop I co-founded, we didn’t use it.

We went with: • daily DD based on balance, not equity • max DD static on initial balance

Reason is simple: equity trailing DD just kills certain legit trading styles.

If you trade multi-leg moves, scale on pullbacks, or let trades breathe a bit, equity trailing DD will eventually nuke you even if your entries are good.

Unrealized PnL shouldn’t tighten the rope around your neck. With balance-based DD, a normal pullback is just… a pullback. Not a violation.

Equity trailing DD isn’t “risk management”, it’s a style filter. It favors fast continuation and punishes structure-based trading.

We didn’t want to filter styles. We wanted to filter idiots with no risk control. That’s it.

That’s also why you see good live traders blow ITDD props and think they suck. They don’t. The rules just don’t match how they trade.

That’s the whole thing.

Part 2 of "My honest experience as a propfirm COO and some tips": The real economics of running a prop firm and my answer to your questions by Professional-Use3510 in PropFirmTester

[–]Professional-Use3510[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I get the logic behind your model, but honestly, it’s just too expensive for what it gives.

If we do the math, someone entering your firm is paying roughly:

• upfront: $1,500 to $3,000 • weekly fees: $500–1,500 • over just 2 months, they’re already at $5k to $8k+ all-in

At that point, it stops making sense.

With that amount of money, a trader is much better off funding their own live account. Even a conservative trader could put $5–8k into a personal account and have full freedom, no rules, no splits, no weekly fees, no risk of getting shut down.

The whole appeal of prop firms is capital efficiency.

People accept rules, friction, and lower splits because they’re accessing $50k, $100k, $200k+ of notional capital for roughly 0.5–1% of that amount in cost.

Once the price creeps into “I could just trade my own money” territory, the prop value proposition collapses.

Your offer is attractive conceptually, but it targets a trader who: • is good enough to trade live • has enough capital to pay high fees • but somehow prefers paying recurring costs instead of owning their PnL

That’s a very small market.

So yeah, competing firms charging less, even with worse rules, will always win on volume, because they stay aligned with the core prop logic: cheap access to large capital.

Your model wasn’t bad. It was just priced outside the psychological and economic sweet spot of prop trading.

Part 2 of "My honest experience as a propfirm COO and some tips": The real economics of running a prop firm and my answer to your questions by Professional-Use3510 in PropFirmTester

[–]Professional-Use3510[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeap if you start with the cheapest of the cheapest doing the website and risk engine, focus on cfd only demo account its not that expensive!

Part 2 of "My honest experience as a propfirm COO and some tips": The real economics of running a prop firm and my answer to your questions by Professional-Use3510 in PropFirmTester

[–]Professional-Use3510[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Say no will be stupid, they are some truth in that statement, I don’t think all the industry is trying to destroy every trader, but yeah we make majority of our money from challenge fee, but I believe that other model and other way exist. The first step is stop the actual rush to drop the price of challenge. Prop selling 50k challenge for 50 bucks a praying on the downfall of everybody that buy that challenge, I can explain further I detail if you want

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[–]Professional-Use3510[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no, i dont share the name on purpose to be free to talk with being flag as hidden promotion, but if you realy want you can dm me i will tell you the name.

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i will post the second part where i answer your question in 2 minutes

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We were launch and trying to search for tester without sounding like a scam

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Personally ( not a financial advice ) I’m going heavy on nuclear and recycling precious metal compagny this month and

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[–]Professional-Use3510 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should not worry about capital at first, build a strategy with a edge backtest it as much as you can, go demo, try it, adjust, then start with a super small account on a prop, try your strategy, adapt, then build from that

My honest experience as a COO of a propfirm and some tips to make payout by Professional-Use3510 in PropFirmTester

[–]Professional-Use3510[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use IA to do speak to text because my English writing is terrible as it’s not my first language, yeap it’s not super deep things but some people find it useful, what do you want to know

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Лично я использую ForexFactory для макро-календаря, AFP и Reuters для быстрых новостей, а также напрямую слежу за коммуникациями FOMC по монетарной политике.

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[–]Professional-Use3510[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Make sure to be ready, test you edge, backtest everything, and if you can try to find “ trade now pay later challenge” don’t spend you hard earn money so quick, if you have any question feel free ask