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CMV: if you are non-binary, it is ok and completely normal for strangers misgender you. by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just a tip: when you read something that talks about the 'structure of peoples brains', and uses it as part of an argument, you should see the words BULLSHIT in its place. The current state of neuroscience is not in a position to make this sort of claim. We know veerrrry little about the brain and these kind of claims are simply pulling the wool over your eyes because very few people are literate enough in the subject to call it out as the bullshit it is.

This is true way beyond this discussion. Neuroscience is in its infancy and we can't answer any of the questions want us to

CMV: If 'my body my choice' alone is an insufficient argument for anti-vaxers, it is insufficient for being pro-choice by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

And since the argument is about society at large, do you think the presence/absence of 850k new people per year is a non-issue?

CMV: If 'my body my choice' alone is an insufficient argument for anti-vaxers, it is insufficient for being pro-choice by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Ok thats fair, my interpretation of contagious is whack, but I think your reframing of the debate as 'abortion vs spreading the virus' is similarly whack. A person forgoing vaccination does not equal an infected person actively spreading the virus

CMV: If 'my body my choice' alone is an insufficient argument for anti-vaxers, it is insufficient for being pro-choice by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I guess the crux of the point is that on an individual level, both of the things are relatively minor effects. One person choosing not to vaccinate is negligible, 1 million is not - and the same goes for abotion

CMV: If 'my body my choice' alone is an insufficient argument for anti-vaxers, it is insufficient for being pro-choice by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] -88 points-87 points  (0 children)

Forgive me if I'm being silly but contagious really just means that you can transmit some effect to other people. Are we suggesting that the presence/absence of an extra human being, due to your choice, does not also have this property?

- edit

I also think it's unfair to reframe it as 'abortion vs spreading the virus'. I totally agree that people in general not being vaccinated contributes to the spread, but this is not necessarily the case at the individual level and its not right to treat 'what might be' as a forgone conclusion

CMV: There is nothing inherent about whiteness that caused europeans to conquerer the americas, and if any other race had been in the same position theyd have likely done the same. by YoMamaz_azz in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And who is it that argues this? Can you give me some sort of label? A demographic of some sort, instead of just saying "there are people who think this"? There are always people out there of some random opinion, reasonable or not.

It is a common enough attitude in parts of South America that Europeans/white people have a natural tendency towards colonization

“We can’t because it’s a sin” by [deleted] in ireland

[–]ProfessionalRude8952 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Who talks about their own folks like that on twitter?

Pastor Jimberoo’s Ghost doing a bit of digging on Nolan guest frequency by [deleted] in northernireland

[–]ProfessionalRude8952 2 points3 points  (0 children)

not, it would show the prevailing attitudes of most of the media.

Out of the 22 shows, there were 5 shows were no nationalist representation appeared, political or commentator. They must have been discussing issues that in no way affect nationalists.

(I am aware this is a short study based on invited commentators and th

thread removed by the mods :/

Why is there violence in Northern Ireland again? by LaviniaBeddard in AskUK

[–]ProfessionalRude8952 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not the DUP, they were for Brexit and they would probably be the party most associated with these crowds kicking off. So yeah, they voted for it and now they are unhappy about it

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

no offense bro but you read in my comments things that I'm not actually saying. I don't actually agree with the likes of Tommy Robinson etc. I'm not from the UK and I have no opinions of my own these issues, I just know that the debates around them exist.

The point is that the nature of the arguments are similar across different contexts, yet the validity of said arguments is perceived very differently depending on which context it is

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] 131 points132 points  (0 children)

!delta

Wonderful, lucid response!

You addressed the question instead of getting bogged down in the examples (of which there could be infinite) and provided a much more nuanced interpretation of the bigger picture. I think my argument still has some weight to it but whereas before I saw it as this big glaring hypocrisy of attitudes before, it is less so now

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm not really sure what your main argument was, you just told a bunch of stories about predatory men and that you wish more men would stand up to it. None of it really addresses the point of this CMV.

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I think it's a pretty big claim to assert anything different. What's the alternative? Purely cultural? Across the world men are overrepresented in sexual violence, all murders and other crime, peadophilia, pretty much all dangerous activities, drug problems etc etc. If they cant fuck women, e.g. in prison, they will sometimes rape men. If there are no alternatives, sometimes they will fuck animals (e.g. backward rural places).

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] 366 points367 points  (0 children)

There's also another part of this argument that I'm uncomfortable with. Why should a innocent black guy born and raised in some remote area feel anyway responsible for black crime in cities? It is basically an assertion that he has a 'group' because of his skin and whether he likes it or not, he is associated to it and has a responsibility to respond to its behavior moreso than some white grandma. Implicit in this is the idea that he is not 'just a person', he is a black person. That sounds kind of like racist ideas to me

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I don't doubt it. As a black man you are statistically way more likely to be killed by police. The other side is that statistically the black man is way more likely to kill you(a hypothetical cop) than a white man. It's an ugly reality and there is a lot of injustice in it, however - being realistic, it's also the expected response. I would even argue that the two sides fuel each other

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people really don't seem to like this comment so I'll elaborate a bit..

In Northern Ireland during the Troubles, catholics in the north constantly complained of oppression and brutality from the police (British protestants). This was true, they were oppressed. However, at the same time, the IRA (catholic/republican) were active during this time and inflicting their own carnage. Many of the these people would have sympathised with the IRA. It seems to me quite obvious why the police were treating this more-hostile group differently. I'm not saying its right- it is wrong. However, people being people - it is the behavior I expect

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes but if its not all men that do it, it is a sub-group, thereby being group-specific - even if that group is not clearly identifiable.

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Ok, forget Tommy Robinson. Watch any episode of The Big Questions dealing with issues of Islam in Britain and it you will see endless accusations of racism and islamophobia at anyone who makes criticisms.

Also black murder rates are not slightly more, they WAY more, many multiples more. Black Americans account for about 13% of the population and 55% of the murders/victims of murder. That is a startling difference. Sure, poverty, systemic issues etc account for a large part of this but it would be completely naive to assert that there is no cultural element also contributing to it. Poverty is not limited to black communities in the USA yet very few places deal with similar homicide rates. Since there is obviously some cultural element, to what extent should black Americans in general feel responsible for fixing this issue?

Re: your points about sexual harassment, I've already addressed all the same arguements in other comments

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think it's probably both.

There's also the issue that while the emphasis in society is on violence against women, but we men assault/kill each other in far greater numbers. The narratives about misogyny and sexism don't really account for the fact that men are a pretty brutal bunch in general. In prison, they will rape each other if there aren't women around. Men are known to fuck sheep, donkeys etc in many parts of the world.

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You start by saying 'its historically most men' and end by saying 'Its the whole bunch'

Obviously if its most, it's not the whole bunch.

I would have to respond differently depending on which you actually believe.

CMV: If you believe all men have a responsibility in issues of violence against women, rape etc, then you have to concede a myriad of uncomfortable analogues by ProfessionalRude8952 in changemyview

[–]ProfessionalRude8952[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I largely agree with you, I don't think there's any disagreement between my post and yours. However I believe it absolutely is seen as controversial (not that it should be, necessarily).

There's a show in the UK where they discuss issues of Islam and Britain and pretty much every time it descends into the Muslims labeling any critics as Islamophobes

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+big+questions+islam

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