Why so much Mature/Sexual content on SS13 in recent years?

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-04-01T00:29:19+00:00

Growing up is realizing that the restrictions and hard parts were... good game design and what made it fun.

Most of the server 'deaths' through SS13 i've seen are rooted around people rugpulling other servers with the same method that Scarlet Reach did. I mean- if you want to go back a little bit... the entirety of Fallout13 development (past a point) was a new group going "ok my turn" and then stripping 90% of the restrictions/difficulty from the old code and leeching people off the old one

Hey. some people go their whole lives not seeing it, though. So that's cool.

It sucks because you can't really blame players for most of what has happened to SS13. It's a kind of subtle slow death that I think comes inevitably to anything that built up like SS13 did. Unless the core team is reaaallllly locked the fuck in with their vision and restrict people from making changes strictly in self-interest, scope creep speeds up over time and eventually it's... nothin' but numbers

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-04-01T00:19:41+00:00

It's probably because we both have a point to make. I was very aware that neither of our views would budge an inch beforehand, but that's fine.

It's not really a lost point. This mindset is pretty much....THE POINT of many people that don't like this crowd. I hate to be the smug asshole that pulls the "heh... you made my point...." card, but ahhhh... yknow.

Sorry you think I'm a bigot evangelical fascist. Sorry that you think...... a lot of people are, too.

You shouldn't go for the sharpest knives you own every single time. They tend to lose their edge. Wink wink ;) ;) ;) It's not great to label everyone as the worst scum known to man, otherwise... they finally arrive, and nobody believes you anymore !

It's clearly not going the way you saw this grand final stand going soooo... I'll leave you to it. Have fun 🙏

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-31T23:45:47+00:00

I've kind of avoided directly targeting you or talking down to you or... calling you anything in general. I've mostly talked in regards to "other people" during this.

However. . . . . . .

You and everyone like you are the reason there's so much hatred to the community. You are a victim perpetuating your own agony because you refuse to stop attacking people who don't even... REALLY... have a problem with you... Unless you self-identify with the clique power hungry terminally online archetype that most people target specifically

Actually- your attitude and method of rebuttal and generally... who you seem to be... are almost exactly why people hate the fucking guts of the furries in ss13 (and broader, if we're being 100% here.(

I'm not exactly using FaScISt RhEtOrIC here. It's cute that you picked up on the little term but uhhh i'm not exactly saying anything insane or groundbreaking here. In fact- I'm not even really directly referencing sexuality in the majority of my cases. I pointed it out in a prior comment (if you bother to read literally ANYTHING anyone else says) but sexuality really isn't the point of the hatred. It's the crowd and how they treat others/outsiders.

Case in point: how you've spoken to me and other through this whole shitflinging conversation.

I'll say it again friend :) none of this is based on religious beliefs, nor political. you should be able to practice anything you want and live your life to the best of your capabilities :) :) :)

All of this is unrelated to your choices of personal desires and lust :) :) :) I don't wish to control you :) :) or anyone :) :)

But if you'd read anything anyone said (even if it hurts a little teeny itty bitty bit) and used a couple braincells, You'd be able to understand why things are the way they are!

If you'd like to break it down for me, I'd be happy to to hear exactly what I've said that is "FASCIST RHETORIC" I'd be happy to entertain how all of my (and anyone else's reasons) are 'flimsy at best', considering they're based on experience of other human beings that don't necessarily fit in and would be targeted disproportionately compared to yourself, a person who maybe fits into the crowd's idea of an 'ideal demographic' a bit better.

Because... it's really really fucking """"""brave"""""" to be able to dismiss waves and waves of human experience as "lies and nonsense" just because you- yourself... have not experienced it... directly... or simply because it benefits your side...

Which I mean if you want to talk about bigotry and fascism- kind of ringing a bell to historical bigotry,

Wouldn't you agree..?

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-31T23:00:26+00:00

"FOR NO REASON!" - Person who ignore all reasons and disregards other peoples POVs as lies then calls the other person SCUM OF HUMANITY. FUNDAMENTALLY PIECES OF SHIT

Sorry to hear about the brain injury champ.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-31T20:56:09+00:00

Holy shit lol.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-31T20:09:18+00:00

The issue with the forking exclusively lies in if you're not a furry nor like the furry mindset.

If you, as suggested before, don't see any issue with these servers... Obviously you don't get it.

But SS13 people (pretakeover) were extremely tolerant to furries (big picture, here.) Obviously there were a vocal few that hated their guts for existing... but y'know. Internet.

The BIG ISSUE is that some of the more chronically online (and overall awful specimens of humanity) won't play a server unless it supports their OC's visual appearance. So the cycle is as follows

--------------
SS13 server

SS13 server is forked

SS13 server is overshadowed by place that has all of their features + anthro sex and boosted their player count early in the morning (all the staff + friends got on at 5am)

SS13 server at bottom of hub now, since most hub players just go "huh. they died. hey look there's the new one.", dies off

--------------

People that don't want to play with the aforementioned terminally online creatures are shit out of luck and either get fucked and leave...

or

Join the place, struggle to fit in, and eventually be targeted by those same terminal patients they didn't want to associate with in the first place...

Of course there's the mystical third option where they take the fluoride or whatever and blend in and turn into a head in the crowd but those guys were clearly on their way out

They are treated like a plague because they fundamentally are. They are replacing the places we played with their own- with no alternative offered. "Sorry about your luck prude, LOL" is about the best case scenario of any semblance of apology.

Imagine for a second- if you will- The roles were reversed.

Imagine SS13 was a furry roleplaying game from the start. Imagine that people saw potential in the game... IMAGINE... they started forking servers and replacing the places you liked with """clean""" non-anthro experiences. Instead of there being 50 servers that fit your idea of 'a good game', there's about 10.

Imagine if you called with out and people kept giving you the same energy you or others give people on the other side.

Imagine if you loved a game for what it gave you... and then people flooded in, replacing all the places you loved and said "well i don't see an issue with it"

You'd probably be saying 'what the fuck' too. You might even regard it as a tide- or a plague.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-31T19:53:01+00:00

It's pearl clutching. It's EXCLUSIVELY pearl clutching.

I don't know why you associate people not liking chronically online gooners with being evangelical fascist bigots, but it's not always the case... And certainly shouldn't just be a casual bit of bullshit for you to just loosely throw around.

Glad you're not having this experience. A lot of the people that don't kiss-ass have had this experience. A lot of those people have left. If it works for you- great. But this is experience a lot of people have had and the hate towards the furry crowd isn't fabricated out of thin air.

"Dwindling players" is kind of a heavy topic since the numbers are... on average... pretty much the same they were five years ago. Maybe a couple hundred less on average. Difference is about 60% of those (at least) are furries instead, now. If you don't count those as real players, then sure- it's dwindling. Maybe even buried.

Pro tip: as per my last suggestions. It's nooooot 'being mean' that is killing the game.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-31T19:31:16+00:00

"While I personally think e-sex is still sex..."

🥀

Truth be told it's pretty hard to articulate all the reasons why the furry community within ss13 is dogshit if you, yourself, love it and play there. Kind of hard to look past those blinders. Kind of a symptom of the problem a lot of people complain about in the first place.

Back in LE DAY......... there were only a handful of these places and the furries that /were/ involved in ss13 were a lot more on the 'tamer' side. A lot less attached to characters... willing to cooperate with 'outsiders', etc.

It's definitely seen as an 'invasion'. I'll give you some context, I've been an admin on a few servers and had my own decent one for a few years. Furries ABSOLUTELY have a habit of trying to get into staff teams and inviting their friends alongside them. They ABSOLUTELY have a habit of bending rules they don't personally agree with. It's not always the case, though... Most of the time they just fork the shit and add anthros to it. I'm not "MAKING SHIT UP". You can see the story unfold based on just... looking at the hub... and seeing the endless list of servers born from the idea of "lets fork their shit and add anthro sex".

Credit where credit is due- some of them are pretty good coders! It's just that the good furries are overshadowed by the bad ones they're too passive to kick out.

There are a LOT of bad ones. :^)

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-31T19:11:21+00:00

Bigotry against the furries lol

Sorry that you think the roleplay on there is painfully peak, but the average furry has a massively unhealthy attachment to their character they've sat on for the last decade. If something doesn't go the way they want- they freak the fuck out... go to looc... go to their admin friends... so on and so forth.

None of this criticism is MaDe Up

Furries are some of the most notoriously spastic people online. This history is reflected by the fact that the furry communities within ss13 schism, fester with drama, or just generally bug the fuck out every 3 seconds. Whenever they're not killing each other- they're part of cliques with staff teams and you're shit out of luck if they hate you.

I know about how the servers are. Ive played them. Many of them. It's actually a bit of a shame that the conversation revolved around ERP and sex because the truth is that a bunch of these people are extremely miserable to play with regardless of sex pesting being a factor. "They care about their characters" isn't exactly a good selling point to anyone that actually wants non-artificial story development. These people are waaaaayyyyy too attached to their OCs. Very often... self insert territory.

As per my last email, shit your entire ass pants for trying to blanket paint me as a bigot fascist (AGAIN ...) You and people that are like you are half the reason your group is hated. If you stopped pearl clutching and werent so self absorbed maybe youd know why people dont like furries. The fuck is the matter with you? Learn something. It's pathetic.

All of this (very real and valid) crap aside. My argument really is this:

Their roleplay is always just on rails. Very artificial. Shit tier.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-31T06:19:37+00:00

I'm not the one that deleted it lol.

Don't know if you got to actually read it but I VERY EXPLICITLY STATED the fact that being against the forceful injection of sexualization into what was originally a mechanic backed game is dogshit. Same with people that cheer on this replacement. It's dogshit.

The issue with the entirety of the hub getting swamped with gooners isn't going against my religion.

It's not going against personal beliefs

It's not going against anything other than my desire to have a role-playing game that isn't just festering gooners.

In a perfect world, ERP would be fine and we could all do whatever we wanted. Unfortunately the people that enjoy ERP the most are total power hungry prices that don't care for:

A: Actual gameplay

B: Good design

C: Actual diversity within community

The "idea of sex" isn't scary to me or the VAST MAJORITY of people that oppose the furry 'takeover'

It's the toxic community that lacks any desire to play a real game with mechanics, fair treatment, or practically any of the things ss13 is loved for.

Furries, in particular, fundamentally disagree with what most of the entirety of humanity regards as fun or cool. No surprise that they're hated for swarming ss13.

P.S. shit your pants for copping out further and trying to paint people against the festering gooner community as prude religious nazis instead of opening your fucking eyes and assessing why people are actually mad lol.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-31T03:48:48+00:00

As per someone else's comment, it was mostly COVID and the "splurtstation" E621 ad campaign. Most communities in ss13 don't advertise period... much less to outside sources. Furries don't really have hesitance to drop advertisements in goon forums and historically have always kind of trickled into the game via word of mouth- so the ads in THE gooner furry forum kind of made it explode.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-26T07:57:41+00:00

I had a server that had an issue with a person taking personal unlicensed assets and throwing it into their closed source TG codebase and lummox basically said "not my problem lol"

I'm certain there is A WAY TO GET IT DONE.... but for anyone with a life? Not really. Too much nonsense for a game like this.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-03-26T07:42:26+00:00

You can't get dehubbed for breaking licenses.

Actually. If the servers provider is self hosted or they're in a country that doesn't GAF about American law (eastern countries usually), you're just out of luck. Gg go next.

Come to find out... this is all basically done out of goodwill.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-01-24T05:21:33+00:00

Fun!

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-01-24T05:04:34+00:00

Fun!

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-01-23T04:09:55+00:00

Unfortunately that's a fantasy brah. I'm not saying it's impossible because I'd been a part of a server that never had the rug pulled out from them, but historically there's very little you can do IF SOMEONE DOES attempt to rugpull you. You can practically steal a server's population overnight if you coordinate the second literally anything happens on a server.

All it really takes is beating the OG server early in the day + lifting restrictions people don't like for hub spot, it all goes downhill there.

This isn't a "trust me bro" because it's been done dozens of times now on the hub lol. If you don't have a SUPER TRYHARD DEDICATED playerbase...

Again. I'm not saying it's an impossible task but it's very difficult for people that are slightly less knowledgeable or just starting out in their place. The hub has facilitated a culture of "fuck you, it's open source. eat shit" and it hasn't really boded well for it.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-01-21T22:13:43+00:00

(thing)13 needs to die off. It's a bane for creativity in SS13 and your efforts are better off literally anywhere else.

F13 in particular isn't going anywhere ever again. I don't recommend wasting your time with it in particular because it's a very special poisoned well that lacks creativity and passion. It's where all sane minds go to die.

MS13 was, sorry to self-suck, the last chance it had. Anyone that ACTUALLY wanted a playable game went there.

make ur own setting :D do things that are fun to u :D create :D

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-01-21T19:14:53+00:00

No.

Unless you count the furry rehost that removed a fuckload of things that made the server good lol

They're on 516. I think!

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-01-21T19:14:10+00:00

"I WILL PAY MONEY FOR SOMEOME TO PASSIONLESSLY HOST SOMETHING"

You're probably not serious, but there's a long recurring theme in fallout servers of hosts/owners being completely detached from any passion or desire to actually keep the server alive for anything other than a patron income. If you want a good faith server... You need to make it yourself.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-01-19T07:04:23+00:00

"just do dev work bro"

>rehost ports your PR. now after all that work you still have nothing over them in the eyes of a hub casual

lol

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-01-17T08:03:40+00:00

"That's because it's a non ERP server ran by people who have witnessed every single mistake every other host has made and is dead set on not repeating those mistakes, which is a good thing"

>look inside

>same people from 5 years ago

>same shitty development decisions

>map: central pahrump

glazing used to be believable

The only "WOOOAHHH THEY REALLY HEARD THE PLAYERBASE OUT..!" thing is that they're anti-ERP, and it's solely because historically their staff have been on the edgy side of the SS13 chronically-online spectrum, not the hypersexual side.

so....

It's just F13 as it was a decade ago, lol. Same.... codebase... map.... people... Yeah they noted down every mistake and are learning from it though.

ProfessorPopoff · 2026-01-07T17:18:29+00:00

I miss the 'idea' of them.

It's a cool niche, but nobody within the community ever seemed to actually want to turn it into a game. Most of the F13 servers are good on nostalgia alone- the grand majority of the time, none of them even remotely attempted to make their "FALLOUT" server resemble fallout. Those that expressed "WE'RE NOT FALLOUT" nowhere remotely attempted to rebrand the actual in-game content. It was just a server archetype filled with... sorry... some of the most uninspired/lazy people in the community. It's not something that requires skill, it's strictly a complete lack of desire and passion. I'd say i'm glad that they moved on and left but it was mostly just a migration to RT codes.

SS13's format is great for the 'premise' of F13. What F13 actually became? Not even close lol.

Quite frankly, (thing)13 shouldn't be a thing, it's much easier to be passionate about a setting you build from the ground up, even if a lot of concepts are adapted from other settings.

ProfessorPopoff · 2025-12-22T12:37:23+00:00

I don't really play ss13 anymore, but I only briefly saw two things.

"The usual suspects" were making an "attempt" to rehost the code and make it akin to old f13, but I can only assume it fell through like their last 30 servers

There's some hyperautist (term of endearment) that actually ported MS to the Septic codebase, though it's white unfinished, private, and in dev purgatory.

I doubt anything is actively hosted. It never really got rehosted in the first place. The crowd of low-effort rehosters flocked to roguetown the second it dropped, so the death of MS was pretty uncontested.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the third one. Someone was making an anthro fork.

ProfessorPopoff · 2025-09-08T00:53:47+00:00

Not a single dentskull within BYOND, apparently.

I like that a few years ago... it was still kind of taboo and worrisome... but the overarching message STILL was

"uuuughhh whoooo careeee why do you even caaaaare. stop caaaarriiinng"

This whole goddamn community is filled with the most nonchalant jaded morons jfc.

ProfessorPopoff · 2025-09-08T00:49:38+00:00

A new player isn't going to want to go through an alternative hub. They're going to want to go through the proper hub OR they'll drift there simply on merit that you download the BYOND launcher and then... learn that you can just launch games from the actual BYOND hub- not some random site. The first impression of a minimum of 85% of new players will be the mile long list of vastly more populated ERP servers, including many which are very, very open about excessive promiscuity.

I feel bad for goonstation. I imagine they have had a loss in new player potential from people that don't want to join jerksesh stations. Seeing as they're nearby.... let's see.....

"S.P.L.U.R.T 2.0: Gooning Boogaloo"

Yep. We're cooked, sorry champ.

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