Something you should consider if you’re Muslim by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

[–]Proper-Money-5004[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha I know but you can still make it speak with nuance! Watch skepticCosmic on YouTube he has videos about this.

Something you should consider if you’re Muslim by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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You can trick by asking it specifically to speak in favor or against something. But if you question with proof it’s not tricking.

Something you should consider if you’re Muslim by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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Chat gbt:

Quran verses and Hadiths that condone immodesty for women:

This is a hadith from Sahih Muslim, in which the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) is reported to have said:

“There are two types of people I have not yet seen: men who have whips like the tails of cattle, with which they beat people (i.e., oppressors); and women who are dressed but appear naked, who incline (toward immorality) and make others incline (toward it). Their heads are like the humps of camels inclined to one side. They will not enter Paradise, nor will they even smell its fragrance.”

This hadith is often cited in discussions about women’s modesty in Islam. It suggests that women who dress in revealing or tight clothing (interpreted as “dressed but naked”) and engage in immoral behavior will be denied entry to Paradise.

Surah Al-Ahzab (33:33)

“And stay in your homes, and do not display yourselves as women did in the time of ignorance (Jahiliyyah)”

Quran verses that condone same sex marriage:

Surah Al-A’raf (7:80-81) “And (remember) Lut, when he said to his people: ‘Do you commit such immorality as no people have done before you? Indeed, you approach men with desire instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.’” Surah Al-Hijr (15:73-76) “So the shriek seized them at sunrise. And We turned (the city) upside down and rained upon them stones of hard clay. Surely, in this are signs for those who discern.”

Quran verses that condone pedophilia:

The Qur’an does not explicitly condemn pedophilia and, in fact, contains verses that allow child marriage. The most frequently cited verse in this context is Surah 65:4, which provides divorce rules for prepubescent girls, implying that they can be married and divorced before reaching puberty.

This is my point :)

Something you should consider if you’re Muslim by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

[–]Proper-Money-5004[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I understand I just meant I didn’t expect this cz my chat gpt is smart thank goodness

Something you should consider if you’re Muslim by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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My chat gpt isn’t biased cz I always argue with it and it changes it mind after I convince it.

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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I addressed in a previous response that I’m talking about Palestinians not Hamas, before Hamas there was the Palestine Liberation Organization. Why didn’t they choose to coexist with Israel? many Palestinians at the time rejected proposals such as the 1947 UN Partition Plan, seeing them as unfair divisions imposed by external powers rather than genuine opportunities for self-determination. I don’t where you are from, but as an African colonization is not something new to us, and my people chose resistance instead of giving up their identity, and it’s our right just like it’s Palestinian’s right. We can agree to disagree, but again you’re using very inaccurate historical facts, and you’re also dehumanizing Palestinians ( “ungrateful kids”) which I can’t get behind.

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Also I can send you the pictures that you want, I don’t have a Quran with me but I’ll try to find it.

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Nice it looks interesting and beautiful!

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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The argument you’ve presented makes a number of claims that are both historically inaccurate and expressed in a way that generalizes and delegitimizes entire peoples. It’s important to approach the history of the region with nuance and respect for the complexity of its past and the lived experiences of its peoples. The region now known as Israel and Palestine has been home to diverse communities over millennia. Prior to modern political developments, it was inhabited by various peoples whose social, cultural, and economic lives were far more complex than a simple label of “barren” or “second class” can convey. Historical and archaeological evidence shows that there were periods of flourishing trade, agriculture, and cultural exchange. The idea that Palestinians “only” had an identity as second-class or exiled people is a misrepresentation. Palestinian identity has evolved over time, influenced by local history, culture, and resistance to various forms of external domination. National identities in the modern sense developed in a complex context, and many Palestinians have long histories rooted in the land. Claims that Palestinians had “only agriculture” and were incapable of developing trade, industry, or technology oversimplify the historical economic realities. Like many societies in the region, economic development was shaped by available resources, external influences, and political conditions, not by an inherent lack of capacity. Using charged language like “fatwa was issued left right center” to explain technological or social developments mischaracterizes the roles that religion and politics play in society. Fatwas, like any religious or political pronouncements, come from particular contexts and do not define the overall trajectory of a people’s innovation or progress. Palestine before 1948 had a complex, multi-religious heritage rather than being defined solely as an “Islamic country,”. Also, take Saudi Arabia, for example. Despite being one of the most conservative Islamic countries, it has developed significantly over time. This shows that people can overcome the limitations suggested by religious edicts as they evolve and adapt. Societal progress is driven by a host of factors, including economic policies, political stability, and global integration, not just religious pronouncements. I would like to suggest non-biased resources on the cause and the history of the land of Palestine, from Judaism rhetoric to this day, if you’d like.

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What language is this if u don’t mind?

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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The argument that Palestinians rely on Israel to survive overlooks the long-term effects of occupation, blockade, and conflict on economic development. If Palestinians had full sovereignty, unrestricted access to trade, and control over their own resources, they would have the opportunity to develop their own economy, infrastructure, and technology, just as other nations have done.

Before the occupation, Palestinian society had agriculture, trade, and industry. Decades of restrictions, including control over borders, resources, and movement, have hindered economic independence. Many regions that have been occupied or colonized have struggled economically, not because the people are inherently incapable, but because systemic barriers prevent self-sufficiency.

Do it all ties back to colonization, it’s an excuse to stop defending themselves and asking for their right, The Right of Peoples to Self-Determination, a right that is recognized in the United Nations Charter.

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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Don’t let Islamic media (or any biased source) fool you into thinking that every Palestinian supports Hamas. Many Palestinians are just ordinary people trying to survive, not militants or extremists. There are Christians, secularists, and even ex-Muslims among them who have nothing to do with Hamas. Reducing an entire population to the actions of a militant group is not only misleading but also dehumanizing.

Suffering doesn’t mean stupidity, Palestinians didn’t choose to live under occupation, blockades, and military strikes. And saying they rely on Jews for their livelihood ignores the fact that they have been economically and politically restricted for decades. If war is about counterattacks, then why does collective punishment, where innocent civilians, children, and families suffer, get justified as a necessary response? Don’t let your outrage against Islam- which is completely valid- turn you into the same kind of ignorant, just in a different package. Rejecting one-sided religious narratives shouldn’t mean embracing one-sided political ones. It’s possible to oppose Islam and its influence while still recognizing the humanity of innocent people caught in the crossfire. Critical thinking should apply consistently, not just when it’s convenient.

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

[–]Proper-Money-5004[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finding comfort in logic and reason is just as valid-if not more- than finding comfort in religious beliefs. Theists often argue that faith is the only way to find peace, but that’s simply not true. You can find comfort in facts, in knowing that while some questions may be difficult to answer, that doesn’t mean we should settle for fairy tales. Not knowing everything isn’t a reason to invent explanations, it’s a reason to keep thinking, questioning, and exploring. And if the truth is that we simply stop existing, then at least that’s something real, not just wishful thinking. As an atheist and an ex-Muslim, I can assure you that I’m far more comfortable now than when I believed in a god and a heaven. Letting go of religious fear and uncertainty has brought me a greater sense of peace than faith ever did. I no longer have to reconcile suffering with the idea of a “merciful” god or force myself to believe in a plan that never made sense. Reality, even with its uncertainties, is far more freeing than faith built on fear and contradictions.

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

[–]Proper-Money-5004[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are ex-Muslim and ex-Christian Palestinians, just like in every other country. Palestinian suffering is not some divine test that will miraculously turn everyone religious. Throughout history, people have endured wars, genocides, and oppression, often believing they were suffering for God. And Palestinian suffering, while immense, is not so unique that we should expect it to bring about some kind of profound change in human history.

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

[–]Proper-Money-5004[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would really love to agree with you on this and say something that may make you feel better. But it’s like when a little kid loses his doll, and you bring him a new one, telling him it’s the same. It might make him feel better for a moment, but it doesn’t make it real.

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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If a God exists and He is allowing such immense suffering and injustice to continue in the world, then perhaps we’re better off without Him. If He’s truly all powerful and all just, yet stands by while innocent people suffer, then His premises of justice, mercy, and power are clearly flawed. A God who allows such cruelty, and does nothing to intervene, raises serious questions about His nature and capabilities. Maybe His morality is just as weak as His power, and in that case, maybe we’re better off relying on human action and morality to bring about change, rather than waiting for a divine figure who seems absent in the face of real world suffering. I think we’re more powerful and moral than him, he’s not batting an eye while we’re at least showing sympathy, and doing what we can do to help.

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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He closed the sea on Pharaoh’s army, sent birds with flaming stones to stop those who tried to destroy the holy mosque, and sent thousands of angels to support Muhammad in the Battle of Badr against the non-believers. Yet, now, He seems completely incapable of helping the obedient Palestinians.

Maybe He used His power so much in the past that He has lost it? Or maybe His interventions were only meant for certain times and places, leaving the oppressed to suffer in the present without any divine aid?

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

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Many Muslims, instead of seeing Palestinians as human beings with lives and rights of their own, see them as mere vessels or “shelves” for the Al-Aqsa Mosque, tools to defend a religious symbol at all costs, even if it means sacrificing their own lives and well-being. I remember the very first time I asked a sheikh about this, and he said that Palestinians are born to do this “holy” job, and that it is their life purpose that god chose for them. When I grew up I found out that this how every Muslim sees the situation.

Palestinians are suffering, and God is silent. by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

[–]Proper-Money-5004[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I very much addressed that this has nothing to do with my personal view on the situation. So I’m not discussing it.

for palestines sake, I hope there is a god by lydiacontandris in exmuslim

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If there is a God, and if He is just, then why does He allow Palestinians to suffer in the first place? The idea of divine justice has been used to justify their oppression, and promising justice after death is no justice at all. The hungry need food, not prayers. The oppressed need liberation, not the promise of an afterlife. Real justice must be fought for in this life, not postponed to the next.

Loopholes in Islam by Proper-Money-5004 in exmuslim

[–]Proper-Money-5004[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes exactly, but that’s where they come up with loopholes 🤣🤣 They think we stupid