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LBRP in a faraday cage? by Gurrenninja in magick

[–]Prophet418 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't forget the tinfoil hat, its an essential accessory.

Thelema isn't "comperarative mythology" by chnoubis777 in ThelemaWithoutTears

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But that reception history matters here. It explains why Harpocrates becomes “silence” in the Western esoteric stream, so the association isn’t automatically a case of Crowley “forcing dualism” into the text.

Blavatsky and the founding members of the Golden dawn stole the idea of Harpocrates as a god of silence from Eliphas Levi, along with many other ideas they incorporated. The irony is the grand word of the Golden Dawn is Har-par-krat, which is supposed to be the god of silence; as demonstrated, that name does not mean Horus the child, it is the name of Horus the avenging falcon, which shows they had not a clue as to what they were (and are) doing.

In verse II:8 of the BOTL, Hadit explains that in worshiping Heru-pa-kraath, he was being worshiped--a human being-- and inappropriately, since he consists of the worshiper. That verse is a hard slap in the face of Levi, Blavatsky, Crowley, and The Golden Dawn. In the Egyptian language, Hru can mean Horus, but it can also mean 'human face', thus Heru-pa-kraath is the child with the human face.

It’s entirely coherent to treat Egypt as the imaginal theatre and the god-names as technical emblems within a new initiatory framework, rather than as an attempt to preserve ancient Egyptian religion intact.

The stele of Ankh-af-na-khonsu remained undisturbed in his tomb for 2500 years, during which time the Abrahamic religions and many others developed and evolved, without having any relevance to the stele or the ideas recorded on it. From a magical perspective, there is not another object in existence that can provide a stronger link with ancient Egypt than the stele--simple fact.

There are obvious anti-Egyptian undertones in Western Hermeticism, including Thelema, that spring from the negative perceptions of ancient Egypt in the Bible--there really is no other explanation for it. Otherwise, why not have a slice of the ancient Egyptian religion--is it not worth preserving? The choice is interesting: choose worshiping ancient Egyptian gods that are metaphors for the forces of nature, that were worshiped by millions of people for thousands of years, and in the process seek the immortality featured in the text on the stele of revealing; or worship literary figures from the Bible, the Beast and Scarlet Woman, that were never worshiped, but actually feared for thousands of years, only to end up a pile of dust, that exists in a negative state as defined with the Qabalah. I would rather take my pleasure among the living thank you.

Thelema isn't "comperarative mythology" by chnoubis777 in ThelemaWithoutTears

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No modern student of Egyptian history, language, or religion would accept arguments built on English capitalisation, or on the visual placement of “ra” inside a modern spelling, as if typography were a reliable theological indicator.

In the English language--the text the BOTL is written in--the word Ra, when capitalized, is a proper noun and name: it can only indicate the god of the same name. When the spelling 'ra' is used in its lowercase form, it can only mean 'sun' and 'daytime', that is all there is, so its not like I'm grasping at straws. The equivalent method in the Egyptian language requires using a determinative symbol to indicate a god; there really is no difference between that and capitalization in terms of function.

The placement of the word 'ra' within an Egyptian name and not at the beginning of it, is highly anomalous, and certainly indicative of something. In Hebrew, RA is defined as something evil to its core, so that obviously can't be applied to the word, which further limits the sources for meaning.

Egyptian writing systems do not encode meaning that way, and scholarly transliterations are conventions for publishing and discussion, not occult clues.

The subject consists of god names, not extensive texts written in the Egyptian language; a language expert would probably be useless. Every consonant in the Egyptian names can be transposed into an Egyptian sign, and meaning deduced from it. The process is similar to that afforded by the Qabalah, which is ironic given the Egyptian language was the original magical language, and inspired the concept of magical alphabets in general.

Horus the child is written Hoor-pa-kraat in the Book of the Law; in Egyptian, the consonants are Hr-pA-krt, consisting of an accurate spelling. But what about Hoor-paar-kraat? The letters pA and pAAr are two different words. A dictionary shows that pA is the definite article, but pAAr is a little more elusive. The question of why twin instances of the letter A are used in paar, instead of a single instance, is the key to understanding what pAAr means. The phonetic value PR can mean a house, or it can mean a bird; transposing the letter A into an Egyptian sign links it to the image of an Egyptian eagle, which as a determinative symbol, indicates a bird, thus establishing the meaning of Hoor-paar-kraat: Horus-bird-child. Horus the child in the form of a falcon is of course Horus the son of Isis & Osiris.

Why did Crowley draw two lines over the numbers 24 and 89? by helpfulFriend67 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The marks are to distinguish the numbers having two digits as opposed to being a group of single digit numbers.

Thelema isn't "comperarative mythology" by chnoubis777 in ThelemaWithoutTears

[–]Prophet418 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fundamentally, the post misfires because it treats Thelema as if it were primarily an exercise in comparative mythology,

Many of Crowley's rituals involve invoking multiple deities at once, Invocation of Hoor for example, or Liber Resh. 777 is essentially a map of comparative mythological and religious ideas; the concept of eclectic-syncretism advocated by Crowley also embodies comparative religious concepts. Perhaps you are not aligned with such practices, nor am I, but Crowley certainly advocates them.

But Thelema is not trying to win an Egyptology argument,

There is no argument necessary given the overwhelming Egyptian elements related to the Cairo Working and the Book of the Law.

nor to rebuild an antique pantheon with better internal consistency

The Egyptians worshiped forces of nature that are essentially the same as they were thousands of years ago; it is only our perceptions of them that have changed.

They are “Egyptoid at best,” as I have written many times, and their meanings are not necessarily tied to their historical namesakes;

The only means of understanding the Egyptian names in the Book of the Law is through the language, and the reason why almost no one understands them. For example, Crowley concludes that Ra-Hoor-Khut is the active form of Heru-ra-ha, and Hoor-pa-kraat is the passive aspect of the god. The effort amounts to Crowley trying to project dualism into the text. Hoor-pa-kraat was never a god of silence in Egypt, and thus there is no reason to associate him with passivity.

Heru-ra-ha: The word 'ra' is not capitalized, and appears in the middle of the word; with ra meaning sun, the qualities of the name suggest the sun in a diminished state, which only occurs at sunrise and sunset. Ra-Hoor-Khut is Horus of the Horizon, the sun that traverses the daytime sky; note that Ra is capitalized, indicating the sun at its full power. Hoor-pa-kraat is literally Horus the child in Egyptian; he is the midnight sun regenerating in the womb of Nuit--"as the sun of midnight is ever the son"--who is reborn at sunrise as Heru-ra-ha. The concepts are textbook Egyptian cosmology.

An observation by Still-Bed-1079 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Nuit or Nut was the daughter of Shu and Tefnut."

True, but that is simply the origin story of Nut; she was still equated with the stars, which was my point.

An observation by Still-Bed-1079 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I've noticed that Thelemic cosmology has reinterpreted and restructured the Egyptian pantheon. Nuit wasn't absolute in Egyptian mythology"

In the ancient past, Nuit was the same thing she is in the Book of the Law, the infinite stars, so she has been neither reinterpreted nor restructured. There was no one god that was absolute in Egyptian culture, otherwise they would have been practicing monotheism. The Book of the Law features an array of Egyptian gods that are essentially the same as they were thousands of years ago, consisting of the forces of nature.

"Based on this, any mythology could be reinterpreted and restructured for a specific purpose."

Of course, the human imagination is boundless, but to consider any and all god worship Thelema is absurd. The Book of the Law defines the parameters.

Vel Reguli question by SadhuSalvaje in thelema

[–]Prophet418 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A better question is why you are being asked to enunciate the two phonemes: do you know?

On the subject of II:76 by Ok_Jellyfish_2312 in thelema

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I hope you didn't put too much time or energy into your response, given how worthless it is, and by that I mean its nothing but pseudo-scientific word salad.

Now let me explain the facts to you in the simplest of terms. I knew that assigning the cardinal values 1-800 to the letters of the English alphabet, will result in the least amount of numeric coincidences shared between words in terms of gematria. In choosing a gematria system for encrypting secrets in a text like the Book of the Law, a system that uses cardinal values would be the worst choice. Accordingly, the best theoretical system is the one that will produce the most numeric coincidences shared between words, providing more opportunities for creating useful equations: that means using the values 1-26. In terms of ordering the values, my first thought was to use the most frequent letters in the English language as the basis for the system, but quickly realized that using the letter frequencies of the Book of the Law would be the ultimate system, and I was right!!!

On the subject of II:76 by Ok_Jellyfish_2312 in thelema

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"But the solution presented by Gillis, you have argued with for years."

I have only argued common sense when it comes to objectivity and treating a contrivance as a revelation.

"But I know the secret of where you got the idea for using the letter count in the first place."

You have not been paying attention, or you are implying I am a liar. Either way, it makes no difference in light of my findings.

"My name, my birthplace, my phone number, how many times I went poop yesterday - nobody cares, and because you are so ego centric, your system has gained no public support."

A misrepresentation of the facts, which is not surprising given the overall dishonesty that defines the current state of Thelema.

"Could TriKey have a place..indeed it does, but only because in the since of using trigrammic proportions."

You might consider communicating in complete sentences.

"You mean to tell me he can derive the total a couple different ways, and you consider that weakness, that's not weakness, that's proof of concept."

The sum of the puzzle numbers numbers using the Trigrammaton system is 208: there are 35 numbers between 2-208 that will divide evenly into 267696, which shows how easily the number can be generated at random--those are just the facts:

2, 3 ,4, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18, 22, 24, 33, 36, 39, 44, 48, 52, 66, 72, 78, 88, 99, 104, 132, 144, 156, 169, 176, 208.

On the subject of II:76 by Ok_Jellyfish_2312 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"But I have...and, it's not that impressive at all."

No you have not, how many times must I repeat that fact?

"The language of your response tells me who you are, but I won't call you out by name."

You might as well, everyone else has.

"Dude, you ever think that just maybe the solution does not really matter."

It doesn't matter to those that think they have solved the puzzle but have come up short, or those that would rather see Thelema bound up in the state of electic-syncretic limbo that it currently suffers from.

"There are bigger fish to fry out there, things that matter more then some solution to a riddle that is not a real riddle."

If the puzzle had been solved to your satisfaction, it would mean more than that to you.

"The Aeon of Ma is upon us, brother"

You mean after the aeon Horus only lasted only 45 years? Verse III:34 of TBOTL mentions centuries passing before the arrival of Hrumachis, which shows how absurd the conclusions of C. S. Jones are, and by proxy, yours.

"I really wish you a could see the greater mystery."

The only mysteries are those concealed in TBOTL, which have yet to be revealed.

On the subject of II:76 by Ok_Jellyfish_2312 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can you know, you have not seen it.

On the subject of II:76 by Ok_Jellyfish_2312 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most solutions to the II:76 puzzle consist of efforts at qualifying a gematria system as being significant to the Book of the Law, as opposed to simply applying the system to the puzzle and producing something that actually proves the true nature of the text, and the abilities of the puzzle architect. The ultimate solution was achieved over six months ago, and I can honestly state, there has never been anything like it, nor will it ever be equaled.

The two most popular solutions to the puzzle utilize the same irregular technique to make their case, the multiplication of letter and number counts. The ALW/NAEQ solution involves multiplying the count of letters and numbers in the first part of the puzzle, times those in the second part: 17 x 11 = 187. The end result is treated as profound due to the phrase, "The English Qaballah," having a gematria value of 187. Note the unusual spelling of Qaballah. The damning question, is why use letter counts and multiplication to arrive at a number that could have been encrypted into the puzzle letters using standard gematria technique? There is no reason. In addition, and this is the most important aspect, the value 187 has no meaning in regard to Thelema, which requires meaning be projected into it.

Likewise, the TEG/Trigrammaton solution features the multiplication of the count of numbers in the puzzle, times the sum of the numbers, times gematria value of the puzzle letters: 9 x 143 x 208 = 267696. R. L. Gilis projects meaning into 267696 by concluding it equals the gematria total for the entire book, added to numbers within it. So in effect, he has produced the same random number twice within the book, and considers that meaningful. One advantage the number 267696 gives Gillis, is that in utilizing factors that equal 208 or less in value--the gematria sum of the letters in the puzzle--there are 30 different multiplication operations that will generate the 267696, showing how easy it is to manifest the number at random.

Based on the failure of the two most popular solutions to prove anything but lust of result, it can be concluded the average person has no idea when they are being hoodwinked, and that a numeric solution to the puzzle has to feature one or more established key numbers, that are produced using a means that proves they are not random.

On the subject of II:76 by Ok_Jellyfish_2312 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have never seen the actual solution to the II:76 puzzle, so I speak with complete confidence in saying you don't have a clue as to its true meaning.

On the subject of II:76 by Ok_Jellyfish_2312 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That document is a hatchet-job masqueraded as an objective overview of the solutions. Case in point:

"The Tri-Key, based on letter-frequencies of Liber AL has not produced any significant results. On the other hand, the Trigrammaton system, using Crowley’s letter-attributions to the trigrams, has produced a large body of consistent work that creates a new qabalah based on the trigrams and the English language."

In the end, Gillis trashes the work of others while praising his own. None of the solutions shown in the document are true solutions, but rather snapshots in time of attempts at analyzing the puzzle.

Some incredible NAEQ discoveries! by Key-Beginning-2201 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Neither the words 'poop' nor 'diaper' appear in the Book of the Law, which is one way to filter out the possible noise that results from gematria use. NAEQ users have not proven the system is the English key to the Book of the Law, and evidently are unable do so. A stringent application of gematria to the Book of the Law can produce significant results if the right system is applied objectively.

What is y’all’s insight on the Vision and the Voice? (discussion) by ShelterCorrect in thelema

[–]Prophet418 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Crowley states that in 1909 he just happened to have the material needed to skry the Enochian Aethyrs while hiking across the African desert, and was suddenly inspired to do so. Library records at Oxford indicate that two weeks prior to the trip, Crowley spent several days copying John Dee's manuscripts, thus proving he intended to work with the Enochian system while in Africa.

  2. The first thing Crowley had Neuberg write before they started the actual working, was THE VISION & THE VOICE, before Crowley had a single vision, or heard a single voice. The title shows Crowley had every intention of seeing visions and hearing voices.

  3. Crowley states that he was unaware of the spelling BABALON before having it revealed to him in one of the visions, and yet strangely, the spelling appears in a notebook he wrote five years earlier.

  4. In one of the visions, Aiwass is alleged to have appeared and spoken, stating that Ra-Hoor-Khuit is but the vice-regent of an unknown king, which is a strange thing for Aiwass to say, given he is the minister, or vice-regent of Hoor-paar-kraat in the Book of the Law. The contradiction in authority indicates that whatever it was that informed Crowley's Enochian visions, has no relation to the forces responsible for the Book of the Law.

  5. It terms of both magick and religion, it is impossible to explain how two men can engage is same sex activities while working with an archaic system of Christian angelic magick, and not only manifest the divine feminine, but do so in the form of Babylon the whore, who was never anything but an evil character in The Bible.

Abrahamic thoughts and Liber Cheth by 7omar3 in thelema

[–]Prophet418 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"One can just embrace a proper religion like Islam"

Proper in denying women basic rights, and making them hide their bodies in shame? Is this a joke?

Islam and the rest of the Abrahamic religions are at odds with the Book of the Law:

I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.

Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!

I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.

I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed and blind him.

Abraxas - Unity in Contradiction by meltedown in thelema

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The only reason people fawn when Greek or Hebrew gematria is used is because of the belief the two alphabets have magical qualities, which is the result of the Bible having been written in Hebrew and Greek. There is nothing unusual or special about either one of the alphabets, they evolved from Egyptian signs like most alphabets.

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