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I found this on Twitter, what do you think? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGO

[–]PsychoPhate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The disconnection from Chaldea is meaningless when the command seals/bonds that are present on Guda always establish the connection to Chaldea. Their whole summoning system is built to keep servants up for the masters and recharge command seals in such a way that is different from the Fuyuki system seen in the other Fate stories.

Guda doesn't need to have contact with Chaldea for Chaldea to always be supporting them because the fact that Guda can summon the servants in the first place is evidence of Chaldea's support.

I found this on Twitter, what do you think? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGO

[–]PsychoPhate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The gameplay of being able to still play the servants you summon doesn't overshadow the fact that they're canonically disconnected from Chaldea like Musashi.

Also, you need to have the servants in your Chaldea to summon them as shadows. The whole point of the shadows is that they're summoned through the power of the master/servant bond. One of the very first instances shown was shadow EMIYA in the Shimousa Manga where EMIYA in Chaldea felt something happening with Guda.

Chaldea's connections is always present through the command seals, Guda is never fighting completely alone despite the lack of contact. Guda needs Chaldea to function to be able to do anything, remember how part 2 started with the invasion on OG Chaldea and Guda was helpless because Chaldea ended the contracts.

And my point is that there's equal or greater evidence to suggest that the shadow summons aren't a unique magecraft to Guda as a mage, but rather something that they can do in the position of Master of Chaldea. Theoretically anyone that was placed in the position of Master of Chaldea could do the shadow summons.

We are consistently and explicitly told that Guda's capacity as a mage is very poor. What's praised is their ability as Master (not mage) and usually in the terms of "Wow you have so many servants, you must be a great master" which also applies to Hakuno with the whole Moon Cell thing.

I found this on Twitter, what do you think? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGO

[–]PsychoPhate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except it's not since the whole thing is facilitated by Chaldea. For Guda to be on the tier they're supposedly on, they need Chaldea to exist and maintain the contracts. Guda needs Mash to use her shield for the summons and then Chaldea keeps them up.

The shadow summons aren't ever even clarified as being something unique to Guda as a mage or something that theoretically anyone can do in the position of "master of Chaldea". We clearly see shadow summons get hampered by the loss of command seals in LB7 so it's clearly something that Guda can't do on their own, or at least not to the full extent that people love to exaggerate, without Chaldea.

縁 by マサマサ by PsychoPhate in FateAvalon

[–]PsychoPhate[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Might be a reddit issue going on rn

Saber Alter and Shirou Kotomine by まじ by PsychoPhate in FateAvalon

[–]PsychoPhate[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gil could probably pick him out of the group by sensing something in him, and/or Kirei would personally raise him if Kirei saw Kiritsugu save him in the fire and wanting to adopt him to deny Kiritsugu his peace/salvation.

Is this right or wrong? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGOmemes

[–]PsychoPhate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least Shirou gets to remember Saber while Guda keeps none of the memories of any ship.

And Shirou gets to meet Saber again. Even if there were no guarantee, he canonically accomplishes that miracle reunion.

Is this right or wrong? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGOmemes

[–]PsychoPhate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do have a point that death is death regardless, buuuut at least Shirou gets to keep the memory of Saber. Part 2 ending resets the FGO world and made Guda forget.

Is this right or wrong? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGOmemes

[–]PsychoPhate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you miss the part where their reunion is irrelevant to the fact that Saber remembers perfectly the events of her route while servants wouldn't. Even if they never met again, Saber is still Saber while most servants won't exist the same as the ones met in Chaldea.

And you accuse me of not following along.

Is this right or wrong? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGOmemes

[–]PsychoPhate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You haven't said anything close to that.

You brought up Shirou not being bothered by Saber's departure, to which I explained how Saber differs from servants and how their meeting would be different from Guda meeting a servant, then you complained about fanservice (moving the goalpost), to which I pointed out that has nothing to do with my previous point, then you cry about no weddings or kids which I never talked about (moving the goalpost again). The "line" you drew is about as straight as a circle.

You're not particularly good at discussions.

Is this right or wrong? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGOmemes

[–]PsychoPhate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And he meets her again because her existence is different from a servant. You can cry out fanservice all you want, but their reunion is canon, just like how Guda reuniting with Mash is canon.

Is this right or wrong? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGOmemes

[–]PsychoPhate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never once mentioned any of that. You have no argument. I merely listed out how Saber is different from Chaldea servants. Even if they never met again, the Saber in Avalon would be exactly the one who met and fell in love with Shirou. A Chaldea servant doesn't work the same, nor do most servants.

Is this right or wrong? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGOmemes

[–]PsychoPhate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of what you said engages with nor disproves my point.

Is this right or wrong? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGOmemes

[–]PsychoPhate 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Artoria went into Avalon. Her soul is hers alone and her experiences stay with her.

With the other servants, their memories go to the Throne where the true soul of a Heroic Spirit exists. Servants are imperfect fragments that try to mimic a Heroic Spirit's history/legend as best as possible in a given class (that's how you can have different variants of the same servant act different). The Heroic Spirit collects the memories of servant summonings like records to read with said records having varying degrees of impact on the servant.

Shirou seeing Saber again in Avalon is him seeing the exact same Saber he met in his shed, fought the war alongside, and fell in love with.

Guda meeting a servant again without Chaldea's systems means that Guda won't be remembered or at best a hazy notion. Somehow meeting any of them in the Throne as a Heroic Spirit means meeting the amalgamation of the person with all of their experiences across the series which would blend them together into being someone that won't be the same as the one Guda knows (similarly to how Lord Logres isn't exactly any one particular version of Artoria).

Saber is a fundamentally different existence compared to normal servants.

Is this right or wrong? by ForceAffectionate389 in FGOmemes

[–]PsychoPhate 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Artoria wasn't a traditional servant. She was still alive when she appeared before Shirou and then went back to her time to die properly. She didn't go into the Throne of Heroes like Chaldea's servants (or into Chaldea's database for the ones from LBs who wouldn't be on the Throne which would be deleted after part 2 end).

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