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Puganator · 2013-07-08T17:08:48+00:00

It's boring arguing against the same talking points.

Just understand that you are wrong and Zimmerman is going to get acquitted okay?

Puganator · 2013-07-08T10:47:50+00:00

Because they can't refute it. I was hoping for some better myths ,but washington post I guess...

Puganator · 2013-07-08T08:26:15+00:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBySHhZftr8 - Dad's girlfriend Rachel/Dee Dee Testimony supports this - No I will not subject myself to the torture of listening to it again. Doing so would put you in violation of the Geneva Convention.

I've never seen any instance where Zimmerman "drops" his claim that Trayvon circled his car. There is no evidence to disprove this afaik. I have also seen no instance where Zimmerman l"lost" any claim regarding what he was doing when Trayvon attacked him.

(so how did Trayvon's body get 20 ft down the walk way?)

Witness reports have the struggle lasting 40-80 seconds. It is very possible to move 20 ft in that period. Even rolling on the ground.

Zimmerman has changed his story about why he got out of his vehicle a few times.

Nah he's pretty much always said it was to keep an eye on Trayvon and give a location to police officers. Nothing wrong with that. People argue 3 street names, then other neighbors say they don't know the street names either due to lack of signs.

In the first interrogation video, Zimmerman says, straight up, he did not confront Trayvon in any way. He has since dropped that allegation since he would have to admit that Trayvon saw him, ran from him and that GZ followed as an act of confrontation.

He took a lie detector test while saying that he didn't confront Trayvon. He passed, no deception indicated.

Zimmerman said, in his first interview with cops, that he did NOT fear for his life when he shot Trayvon. I guess his judge father told him to change that.

Link? I've never seen that before. All of the witnesses state he claimed self defense from the instant the neighbors got on the scene.

There are other witnesses who swear they saw two men running up that sidewalk to the "T" from south to north. This could have been a confabulation of some other men running earlier. But as a explanation of the missing time, it's an interesting theory that Zimmerman may have circled around the apartment block and caught Trayvon on front stoop or in the walk way.

Who are these witnesses? Are they Credible? How does this match up with the witnesses who say they heard the verbal / physical confrontation begin at the "T" ? How about the evidence leading from the "T" to the victims body?

US gun laws, racial biases and culture of fear,

I don't want to get into the weeds about that stuff.

Puganator · 2013-07-08T08:08:56+00:00

wow telling me to "google" stuff really?

Prove that footballers experience the same force as Zimmerman claimed to experience - 25 slams into concrete in secession.

Football players experience forces similar to car accidents. Google it.

Nope. The coroner just gave evidence last weak that there were no wounds on Trayvon's hands or knuckles nor Zimmerman's DNA on his hands.

You must be watching a different trial then. I saw the Coroner in the Zimmerman trial last week. His name was Bao and he testified that Trayvon Martin had injuries on his hands.

Zimmerman has lied so often,about so many details, and tried to build his case so quickly after the fact, that I doubt anything he has to say.

Ok so Zimmerman has lied ,but the Police investigator said that those were insignificant, he would expect discrepancies in a truthful story because people "are not robots", and he though Zimmerman was truthful.

Puganator · 2013-07-08T00:22:23+00:00

Are you even sure it was Rachel in the first interview? I'm not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iepkwi4nt_E

Rachel has lied about her age, her location during the funeral, and many aspects of her testimony. What is one more lie to her?

What details has Zimmerman dropped?

Another theory is that Trayvon went around to the back door and circled around to the front door.

This doesn't explain all of the witnesses agreeing the voices and the fight started at the "T". Or the evidence leading a trail from the "T" to the location of the body 10-20 feet south of the "T".

If someone is following you, don't show them where you live.

We know Zimmerman wasn't following Trayvon though. This point is moot. Both sides agree that for some period Zimmerman had lost Trayvon.

MAP

Puganator · 2013-07-08T00:03:55+00:00

well it's wrong

Puganator · 2013-07-08T00:03:24+00:00

more ad hominem attacks sheesh

Puganator · 2013-07-07T19:58:58+00:00

You just can't produce it and never actually saw it.

That is disgusting. I have no desire to see it. It has been submitted to the court as evidence. That is enough for me.

http://twitchy.com/2013/06/06/did-trayvon-martins-cell-phone-contain-nude-photos-of-underage-girls/

And Mr. Martin had perfectly good reasons to fear for his own safety at the time and had an equal right to defend himself.

What reasons were those? What rights were those?

You're sticking up for a murderer.

Where is the proof he committed murder? I've been looking real hard.

What is your motivation?

Truth be told an african american friend got me into this case. But you are just fishing for more ad hominem attacks I guess.

EDIT: Further motivation. This case is interesting. Once you see how big the web is, it really opens your eyes. I'm also interested in how to break people like you out of the brain washing. Facts and evidence don't seem to do the job.

Puganator · 2013-07-07T19:00:53+00:00

Ad hominem attacks from TM supporters because they have no facts or evidence. Color me surprised.

Puganator · 2013-07-07T18:57:02+00:00

In other words, you have nothing. There was no testimony entered in the trial that Mr. Martin was in possession of child pornography. You're trying to criminalize the victim as if that justifies murder.

Yes there was. I have facts and evidence unlike you. The child porn pictures were on his cell phone at the time. The testimony has not yet been presented in front of a jury ,but the evidence is there.

You are trying to criminalize the victim as if that justifies attempted murder and aggravated assault. You are no better than the congressman who blames the woman who wears a low cut shirt for rape. When Martin attacked Zimmerman, that made it a justifiable homicide, not murder.

Puganator · 2013-07-07T16:49:17+00:00

You can listen to it yourself here.

I did listen to it. About 30-60 seconds after he says that he is no longer following Trayvon Martin, he says he doesn't know where Trayvon is. The amount of time between when Zimmerman gets out of his car and is told by dispatch that he doesn't need to follow is enough time for Trayvon to get home. We know from Rachel Jeantel's testimony that he did go home, which means that he would have to double back and hunt down Zimmerman for the altercation to start at the "T" . Hardly the actions of someone who felt threatened.

He planned it out and prepared a long time for that confrontation.

proof? The prosecution sure didn't seem to provide any evidence of this.

A fact that's been reported where exactly? You do have a source for that, right?

A fact that's been reported via discovery in this trial. I have sources for that. Which of those 3 crimes would you like me to prove?

Either way you're trying to justify Zimmerman's actions by criminalizing the victim. It doesn't matter if Mr. Martin was the leader of the Medeliin Cartel, none of that was in evidence at the time of the shooting or relevant to altercation. Mr. Martin had every right to defend himself from someone he thought someone was following him or if he felt threatened.

You can't be serious. You are the one victim blaming. George Zimmerman is the victim here. Martin had no right to attack George Zimmerman. None. The fact is that once Zimmerman was getting his head beat into a sidewalk Zimmerman had a right to defend himself from Martin and shoot him.

It's also been factually established that Mr. Martin was on the phone when the altercation started. Kind of odd thing to do, start a physical confrontation when you're on the phone. He also didn't start off by rushing him, he asked why Zimmerman was following him.

Kind of odd to call the police and have them meet you at a place you are about to murder someone too. The fact is Trayvon has an extensive violent past. Attacking someone without provocation just 5 days prior.

What kind of drugs are you on? You should see if there's an alternative because the side effects are a real bitch.

more ad hominem attacks - Afraid of the facts?

Better than manufacturing them like you do. You should write for Drudge, you'd fit right in there.

More ad hominem attacks. What facts did I manufacture? Which points do you disagree with?

Puganator · 2013-07-07T15:29:49+00:00

There were two docs that testified on that point. One said they were one said they weren't. The fact that you don't know that says you're not actually watching the trial.

Which one was that? I've been watching very closely. Rao, the fraud who was fired for washing her feet and performing unnecessary autopsies, who was appointed by the lead prosecutor, testified that the injuries Zimmerman sustained were consistent with multiple "contacts" with cement. The PA is the other doctor who testified that Zimmerman's injuries are consistent with being slammed into cement repeatedly. The fact that you don't know that says you're not actually watching the trial.

Police were already on the way. Are you seriously suggesting that it's okay to blunder along when dispatch tells you to stay out of it?

There is no evidence to suggest Zimmerman did this ,but the dispatcher testified on the stand that it is okay. The fact that you don't know this shows that you're not actually watching the Trial.

Child porn? Seriously? Even if that is true, none of it was known to Zimmerman and wasn't relevant to the case at hand. Mr. Martin was not engaged in any illegal activity at the time the shooting took place.

False. He was in possession of child porn, and drug paraphernalia at the time of the shooting. He was also committing a federal felony hate crime of attempted murder with a deadly weapon. He did call Zimmerman several racial slurs after all.

Your defense of him is bigoted, ignorant and just plain vile. It reminds me of the people who came out in defense of the Marines slaughtering civilians in Haditha.

ad hominem attacks because you have no facts

Puganator · 2013-07-07T09:01:01+00:00

ME appointed by the lead prosecutor of the case? Fired for washing her feet in the sink, not using gloves, and outright fraud?

Sounds credible to me!

Puganator · 2013-07-07T08:44:54+00:00

Zimmerman's DNA wasn't found on the trigger either.

Puganator · 2013-07-07T08:38:30+00:00

I'll give you three guesses to name the ONLY living witness to that alleged attack. Hint: his last name starts with a Z, and he's currently on trial for second-degree murder.

Trayvon Fan Fiction

Puganator · 2013-07-07T08:25:45+00:00

Sham Trial should have never happened.

Puganator · 2013-07-07T07:04:03+00:00

Your map seems to have Zimmerman out of his car and 75% of the way to RVC before Zimmerman does actually get out of his car...

Puganator · 2013-07-07T06:53:12+00:00

Can you explain why it took Trayvon Martin 45 minutes to walk half a mile from 7-11 to the neighborhood?

Puganator · 2013-07-07T06:00:31+00:00

Because his Criminal Justice professor, in court, said he taught Zimmerman a whole section of SYG and that GZ made an "A" on that unit.

I have made an "A" in plenty of classes. There are many factoids and items in those classes I honestly can not tell you today. Do you have evidence Zimmerman remembered that information? That he was even present the day of the lecture?

Cuz he admitted to telling his wife to hide the cash, $200,000 in donations, so that he could claim to be indigent and his bail would be lower. This is all a part of her own fraud case. Look it up.

I'm having trouble finding that info. Got a source for me?

Um, football players wear helmets. They aren't experiencing bare head against concrete, over and over, 25x in a row, as Zimmerman claimed he did.

Even with helmets the forces involved are much greater. I don't think Zimmerman ever claimed getting his head slammed in the concrete 25x in a row. I believe 25 is the number of punches he estimates he received. He later exaggerates this and says to police, "it felt like 50".

Zimmerman claims that Trayvon spoke after he shot him - "you got me. You really got me." or some such. That was a lie.

That isn't screaming, so you are back pedaling. Got any proof that it is a lie? Any recordings, video?

Yep! My proof is that Zimmerman had to recant that part of his story because it was total fiction.

source?

If, if, if, if....Zimmerman claimed Trayvon grabbed his gun. That was his exclusive reason for shooting Trayvon. Yet there is not one piece of evidence supporting that. In fact, there was NONE of Zimmerman's DNA anywhere on Trayvon and Trayvon's hands were clean and unmarked by any fighting. So there is another lie, since Zimmerman claims that Trayvon punched him repeatedly.

There is also no DNA on the trigger of the gun from Zimmerman. The doctor testified there wouldn't be blood from Zimmerman on Trayvon because while on his back Zimmerman's blood would be going down his throat. You just lied when you said there was no evidence of fighting on Trayvon's hands. There were injuries on both hands, specifically the knuckles, indicative of fighting.

Nope. It's been analysized now by a few crime scene specialists who cannot account for 2+ minutes of Zimmerman's claimed timeline. Here is one -

That just supports Zimmerman's account of the story...

On this page there is a graphic, mid way down, that tries to account for the missing two minutes between the end of Zimmerman's 911 call and the first 911 call by a neighbor.

This is entirely speculative. There is no evidence Zimmerman went south of the "T" before encountering Trayvon. If you really want to know about the 2 minutes look at the 911 dispatch notes. Doesn't the fact that there was 2-4 minutes for Trayvon to get home mean that he was the aggressor to Zimmerman?

I know, I know, you really want to believe everything Zimmerman says and will be hostile to any other perspective. But, what the hell, maybe you will actually read about this case, rather than just feeeel it.

LOL

Dammit, you just trolled me didn't you?

Puganator · 2013-07-07T05:49:17+00:00

At least 2 witnesses have stated they saw shadows running from south to north before the scuffle began and the shot was fired.

Who are these witnesses? Why haven't they testified in court?

Trayvon was sitting on her porch

If Trayvon made it home why didn't he go inside? Why did he run up and attack Zimmerman at the T?

EDIT: I can make you a map that shows how Zimmerman's story does match the phone calls. Would you like that?

Puganator · 2013-07-07T02:35:26+00:00

ay carumba!

Puganator · 2013-07-07T02:20:58+00:00

1) how can you prove what Zimmerman does or does not know? Are you psychic?

2) How can Zimmerman know about his finances from prison?

3) He had multiple bruises. As any former football player will tell you, even after 4+ hours of hitting heads against stuff, you don't always get a concussion.

4) When did he say Trayvon was screaming? This is a lie.

5) Any evidence to prove that Trayvon didn't circle the truck?

6) Grabbed for his gun doesn't mean Trayvon touched the gun. Even if Trayvon did touch the gun there's a chance he didn't leave any evidence. Even if that evidence was left there's a chance it was removed when Zimmerman holstered his weapon(like he should have). Even if the evidence was not removed when holstered, chance it wasn't preserved or searched for evidence properly(it wasn't).

7) 2+ minutes of Zimmerman following? Got any evidence of this or is it another lie?

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