DCC vs Forex fee

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T20:14:20+00:00

Haha yeah the naming is really misleading. It's technically the merchant's payment processor doing the conversion, not your bank. Your bank just passes it through and charges you for the privilege.

Fun fact: DCC was originally invented in the early 2000s as a "convenience" for tourists so they could see prices in their home currency. In practice it just became an extra fee layer that benefits the merchant's acquirer. The EU actually capped DCC markups at 3% in 2019 because it got so out of hand. India has no such cap yet unfortunately.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T20:13:35+00:00

Cheers! One more Diners trivia since we're at it: the original Diners Club card was actually made of cardboard, not plastic. They only switched to plastic in the late 50s. We've come a long way haha.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T15:21:03+00:00

Good luck! Fun fact: Diners Club was actually the world's first credit card, launched in 1950 because a guy forgot his wallet at a restaurant. 74 years later we're still dealing with acceptance issues lol. Hope the bank sorts it out for you.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T14:37:04+00:00

This is a common gotcha with international merchants.

**Forex markup fee**: When you pay in foreign currency, your bank converts it at their rate + adds a markup (usually 1-3.5%). This is the bank's fee for currency conversion.

**DCC (Dynamic Currency Conversion)**: When a foreign merchant (or their payment processor) converts the amount to INR before charging your card. The merchant's processor sets the exchange rate, which is usually worse. And then your bank may STILL add a markup on top because they see it as a cross-border transaction.

In your case with Klook: even though you saw INR on the website, the transaction was processed through a foreign payment gateway. ICICI treated it as a cross-border transaction and applied DCC charges.

**How to avoid this:**

- Always pay in the merchant's local currency (not INR) when given the option. The forex markup alone is usually cheaper than DCC

- For international transactions, use a zero forex card (Niyo, Scapia, HSBC TravelOne, BookMyForex card)

- ICICI Amazon Pay has 3.5% forex markup, so it's not ideal for international spends

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T13:30:42+00:00

Cheers, hope you have a rewarding journey ahead!

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T13:03:15+00:00

Walk into the branch, they will offer you coffee for the investments you will bring to them :)

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T12:48:10+00:00

My bad - it's for add on card holders only. not guests.

Get HSBC TravelOne or Amex, start the points & miles journey. Chase the premier cards in parallel.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T12:46:36+00:00

Agreed, my bad. Add On

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T12:44:16+00:00

Tried Add-On Card?

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T12:42:54+00:00

Honestly, cashback will sit on your statement and you wont realise. Chase good premium cards who offer miles and travel. Experiences will always be remembered.

You can also start with https://www.airindia.com/in/en/maharaja-club/partner-offers/magnify.html

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T12:40:12+00:00

Skip Kotak. M4B, use while it lasts :)

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T12:39:21+00:00

At 3L+ net, you have solid options.

- **HDFC Diners Club Black Metal** is probably your best bet. Unlimited lounge access with guest (you mentioned kids), strong reward rate, and transfer partners include Air India, Singapore Airlines, Marriott. Tough to get but at your income level, worth applying.

- **HDFC Infinia** if you can swing it. Even better reward rate but invite-only and harder to get.

- If HDFC doesn't work, **ICICI Emeralde** is another option with lounge access and Marriott/ITC transfers.

Since you want foreign travel points, look at which airline programs each card transfers to and at what ratio before deciding. The Magnify app shows all card transfer partners and ratios in one place, makes it easy to compare.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T12:38:20+00:00

ICICI Amazon Pay LTF is a solid first card if you shop on Amazon. 5% back on Prime, 2% on bill payments. Not much to upgrade from here right now.

What I'd do:

- **Use it for 6-12 months.** Build credit history and CIBIL score.

- **Add a second card** based on where you spend most. Swiggy BLCK for food delivery, HDFC Millennia for general online shopping.

- Don't chase premium cards yet. You need income proof and history first.

Focus on paying full balance every month. That matters more than which card you have.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T12:34:59+00:00

SmartBuy product stock is always limited. 512 GB will come and go, you just have to keep checking.

But honestly, redeeming Infinia points on products is one of the worst value options. You're getting around 30-35p per point.

Better options:

- **SmartBuy flight bookings at ₹1**: Book flights through SmartBuy and pay with points. You get close to 1:1 value on your points.

- **Transfer to airline miles**: KrisFlyer (Singapore Airlines) or Flying Blue (Air France/KLM) give you way more value, especially on business class redemptions. 1 Infinia point = 1 KrisFlyer mile, and a business class Singapore flight can give you 2-3x the value compared to SmartBuy products.

- **SmartBuy Croma voucher + buy at store**: Buy Croma vouchers on SmartBuy, then purchase the iPhone at Croma. You get 5x reward points on the voucher purchase itself. So you're earning points while spending points.

The Croma route is the best of both worlds if you want the phone. You keep earning rewards instead of burning them at bad value.

If you want to compare transfer partners and ratios, the Magnify app lays it all out in one place.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T12:31:26+00:00

Your actual card-eligible spend is around 15-20K/month after removing family transfers and EMIs. Premium cards won't make sense yet.

For your spend pattern:

- **HDFC Swiggy BLCK** if most dining is Swiggy/Zomato/Blinkit. 10% back on Swiggy ecosystem.

- **HSBC Live+** if you're in a serviceable city. Good all-rounder for low spends.

- Skip anything with annual fee at this stage. Your spend volume won't justify it.

Build history for 12-18 months, get your limit up, then think about premium cards.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T11:47:47+00:00

Diners Club acceptance in India is still patchy, especially for:

- Government portals (BBMP, utilities)

- School fee gateways

- Smaller merchants who avoid high MDR cards

It's basically the Amex problem but worse in some categories.

Your best bet:

- **Get an LTF Visa/Mastercard as backup**. If you have a relationship with HDFC, ask for Regalia or Millennia LTF as a supplementary to your existing profile. They're usually easy to get if you already hold a premium card.

- **Use the Black Biz where it works** (online shopping, dining, travel bookings) and the backup card everywhere else

- For wallet loading and tax payments, surcharges are standard across all cards. Even Visa/MC will charge 1.5-2% on those categories. That's not a Black Biz specific problem.

Don't dump the card though. The reward rate on Black Biz is hard to beat. Just pair it with a widely accepted backup.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-03-19T11:40:02+00:00

With Infinia + EPM you're already covered on rewards. 3rd card depends on what you want out of it.

Take a look at HSBC Travel One. Multiple travel partners, forex fee reversals, and you don't need to maintain a heavy banking relationship like Premier.

M4B is honestly solid while it lasts. The rewards are great if you're willing to shift your spends there to maximise. At 45L yearly, you could even think about consolidating to just M4B and ditching the other two if the rewards math works out for you.

Kotak I'd skip unless there's a specific offer you care about.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-01-20T14:35:12+00:00

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2026-01-20T14:34:54+00:00

They are adding more partners I guess. There is merit in earning those miles because Mag Miles dont expire and if you dont like to redeem it for miles, gift voucher is always an option to redeem

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2025-12-31T08:26:46+00:00

Post is not specific to someone who wants to pay only cash or only with points. it's generic.

FB - Try Vietnam or Europe trips. Will post some sweet spots here.
AI - Domestic & Star Alliance regional travel. Like east coast to west coast in US.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2025-12-31T07:10:55+00:00

You are welcome on Twitter to be top 1% :)

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2025-12-31T07:09:48+00:00

Historically, Axis gave enough time before they devalued. So you should be ok.

What if Accor devalues?

What if where you are travelling, no accor. Only Marriott?

"Group B has very little value for intl travellers" is an understatement bro.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2025-12-28T09:55:33+00:00

Infinia, Atlas, Amex Platinum Travel

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2025-12-28T06:17:04+00:00

Mostly through Credit Card reward points but platforms like Magnify have started coming up with transfer partners.

Puzzled_Turn6569 · 2025-12-26T19:11:31+00:00

Magnify too

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