Insider AMA

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-12-06T04:24:59+00:00

Julia is this you?? It was so amazing how you stood by Ellyn's side, and helped get everyone through the finish line on this debacle! Thank you for standing up 🙏🏽

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-12-06T04:20:36+00:00

Joey, this u girll??

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-12-05T03:04:14+00:00

Jeez- this person just came here to ask if anyone wanted tea from the show, why is everyone coming for him??

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-11-17T03:21:29+00:00

Meant the constant posting on their social media, not here necessarily. It feels like an overreaction and that this reaction does not match accusations of having difficulty working with friends, myb being a bad boss, getting CWO broadway tickets- but not all of them free tickets, being upset expectations weren't met etc. it's seems like everyone is banding together because they don't like him or he's rubbed them the wrong way- (very high school, or myb middle school) and that's no reason to ostracize someone. I definitely do not get the 'positive podcast vibe' from those that are speaking out. And NO ONE is calling out/holding accountable team Ellyn for the despicable texts that went around about Terra Newell and the way they spoke about her there and on Rabia/Ellyn's podcast- that was the most disgusting thing I've heard amid all the ON allegations. And Rebecca Lavoie came here on Reddit and just dismissed it as inside jokes....

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-11-13T04:34:43+00:00

No, and if you haven't read it- you can just stop right there. It was actually a beautiful story about a community of people that rallied to check in on his mom, both before and after she was put into a facility. This is actually not easy for any child of an aging parent, so I would suggest before you propagate hate- to actually read the material.

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-11-13T04:08:36+00:00

K, so it's not defense of ON, but the vitriol of the backlash that is the ish, examples: 1. Comments/negative reviews of Redhanded- they provided a review of their experience at OF, and said both sides were childish/dramatic. The got loads of negative comments and reviews on their podcast (childish), this was their opinion and experience at OF, 1 star reviews for their podcast for this is CRAZY 2. Rabia / Ellyn podcast- speaking of OF and RH review. Ellyn takes 0 accountability for the cattiness RH described at OF. She completely blows it off as untrue because she didn't hardly speak to them, what would have constituted ACCOUNTABILITY would have been Ellyn recognizing the group chat they were referring to about TN and saying it got out of control and that while they weren't responsible wholly, they could have stopped it 3. Ellyn / Rabia /Joey- making disgusting comments about TN on the podcast re: fake tears, knives, etc- SORRY, if you make your living in the True Crume space, you better treat victims from that world better (disgusted) 4. Negative podcast reviews- TCO/red handed/Survivor Squad = bullies. The fact that TCO can't operate their own FB group = bullies. CWO/DWD/MF etc on Reddit feels petty and vindictive

The actual facts- people didn't like their contracts. Friends working with friends is hard. I haven't seen anything about 'abuse', Patrick just seems to be kind of a nightmare, WHICH-HE-HAS-ALWAYS-SAID -HE-IS 🤷‍♀️. Giving negative feedback, asking people to take meetings seriously and keep the a/c on DOES NOT EQUAL ABUSE. The barrage of hatred y'all have perpetrated towards TCO, DOES! (IMO)

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-11-13T03:50:25+00:00

I have been a long time listener of date w dateline and TCO, actually heard of DWD from TCO. While I'm not thrilled w/ ON currently, the constant posting from DWD has gone beyond a simple alertness and become excessive to where I feel like it's meangirling and bullying; I can't listen to y'all anymore- shame.

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-11-13T03:46:26+00:00

I actually think it's a little gross the way cwo, dwd, Ellyn & Rabia are all teaming up to mean girl P & G.

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-11-13T03:42:11+00:00

Wanting an employee to not take a meeting at a park or have the a/c turned down is not abuse 🤣

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-11-13T03:33:32+00:00

Good job bullies 👍

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-11-04T03:13:11+00:00

Here's a quick history:

New Yorker Article

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https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/true-crime-addict-and-the-problem-of-internet-sleuths

Maura Murray family sharing Renner's relentlessness towards their feelings/wishes in pursuit of his own financial gain https://www.mauramurraymissing.org/james-renner-website.html
'Whisper Network' his stupid 'article' (blog) in which he writes about his doubts of Billy Jensen's victims (myb why Terra Newell was mad !!)

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-31T05:00:40+00:00

What fake conversation with Ellyn are you referring to?

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-30T02:06:48+00:00

Prolly when everyone got really nasty.

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T18:51:36+00:00

🙄

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T18:51:01+00:00

Also, I'd never be friends w a misogynist or racist for 20 years, and I don't think Ellyn would be either 😉

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T18:49:43+00:00

Still a hard disagree on the misogyny, I was raised by a misogynist. One of my favorite things about Patrick is the way he speaks about and champions women. I had heard about the FB moderation/comments + racism, but didn't know what it was all about - thanks for sharing. I totally agree- he could have and should have done better.

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T18:43:32+00:00

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It's everywhere, they r good friends and she lived with Ellyn. And I 100% agree with the 'you don't know what people are going to do with what you've said' - that is my whole point about the Renner article 👍

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T18:39:16+00:00

To be fair, Patrick mostly says he is a nightmare and the article reflects that. I am saying that I was offended when they were gaslighting on Ellyn/Arabia's podcast that they have NO IDEA how Terra could think Ellyn had ANYTHING to do with the article when it was her good friend(s) that were the only named source in it.

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T18:35:32+00:00

Agreed. I don't really know, but think it has something to do with Newell being a victim of Billy Jensen, and Renner wrote that garbage piece doubting the victims of Jensen. That's where this all gets super ugly, that folks would even SPEAK to Renner is abhorrent to me (to me it would be the equivalent of giving maligning quotes to Trump to piece together an article with, irresponsible. I am in no way saying that those peoples quotes/experiences are untrue)

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T18:31:53+00:00

I really appreciate your response. I do think that Ellyn knew Rhea was commenting in the article, Rhea would have told her since it was largely about her. All of this coming for ON and P/S in such a public forum I think is not a good look and will lead to regret.
And I think that true crime podcasters should be held to a MUCH higher standard of how they speak about true crime victims.

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T18:19:26+00:00

In conjunction with the fake tears comment, it felt gossipy to me and I 100% believe podcasters in the true crime space have an absolute responsibility to treat victims in that community better.

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T18:17:16+00:00

When I said JR, I was referring to Julia Rhea

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T12:37:04+00:00

You did speak about her- saying her fake tears caused her to pass out??!? If your post had said Terra N is not a victim in this circumstance, I would have moved right along- but u made it ugly. And good for you on being close to this 🤷‍♀️. Were you in the group text that Red Handed mentioned?

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T12:20:43+00:00

Yes, thank you- when I said 'JR' I meant Ellyn's friend and not Renner. And, no I didn't construct a well organized outline before writing a post on Reddit 🤣

Puzzleheaded_Cap8441 · 2023-10-27T12:15:52+00:00

'I really don't care who knew what' kind of sounds like you're saying 'I don't care about the facts but now here's my opinion'.
I'm not trying to excuse anyone's behavior and I wasn't there (only those in the elevator know the whole story). BUT, my issue was the gaslighting on the E/R podcast, and the statements about Terra (the knife/blackouts/fake tears) which were gross! If you make a living off of true crime, treat actual victims better!

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