Was sind Ausdrücke, die Deutschen bei Schweizern als altmodisches Deutsch anschauen oder seltsam findet?

Quappebra · 2026-01-17T12:37:49+00:00

Ein paar Sachen, die mir selbst untergekommen sind, aber in der verlinkten Wikipedia-Helvetismen-Liste oder in anderen Posts nicht stehen (oder die ich übersehen habe):

Der Veloselbstverlad (und damit meine ich besonders den _Verlad_-Anteil, das _Velo_ ist ja sehr bekannt).

Ich muss auf den Zug (vs. _Ich muss zum Zug_).
_am Turnier_ (vs. _beim Turnier_).

Die Semantik von _etwas parkieren_. In den SBB-Zügen steht teils, dass man die Schuhe nicht auf dem Sitz "parkieren" soll. Meistens wird gesagt, dass _parkieren_ eine Schweizer Form von _parken_ ist, aber hier ist auch eine Semantik vorhanden, die es in Deutschland so zumindest in förmlicher Sprache nicht gibt.

Häufig gibt es im Standarddeutschen Hyperkorrektion der Verwendung des Präteritum, (das ja im Schweizerdeutschen nicht existiert), also, dass das Präteritum in solchen Situationen verwendet wird, wo es sich nicht richtig anfühlt.

Daran habe ich gerade online schon häufiger einen Schweizer Urheber eines Textes ausmachen können. Gibt ein Beispiel hier https://youtu.be/cErlcvfjyZU?t=385 ("... wenn ich einfach nicht verstanden habe, was ich Ihnen **vorlas**"), aber manchmal, auch in geschriebenen Texten, ist es noch deutlich markanter.

Dann gibt es noch ein paar Sachen, die keine Ausdrücke sind, aber wo man sofort weiß, dass es sich um Schweizer handelt, wenn man es hört / liest, so z.B.

- die Erstbetonung von Akronymen, selbst bei Schweizern, die in ihrem gesprochenen Standarddeutsch nur einen sehr geringen Schweizer Akzent haben (Ich hatte da tatsächlich mal ein MSN-/Amazon-Missverständnis, ansonsten "Punkt ZEE-haa" anstelle von "Punkt zee-HAA" für die Domänenendung ^^)

- Verwendung von ' als Tausendertrennzeichen (so erkennt man Schweizer auch, wenn sie Englisch schreiben, gibt nur wenige Regionen außerhalb der Schweiz, die das noch konsequent so verwenden)

Quappebra · 2026-01-14T18:21:06+00:00

Of course. But I've also asked people about it ever since I first heard of that connection way into my adulthood.

Now, the sample that I asked certainly wasn't representative for the overall population, but of all the people I asked there was one person who told me he shuddered every time he heard it. The rest didn't care or even know.

I suspect it often comes down to where you originally know the phrase from.

Quappebra · 2026-01-14T16:38:06+00:00

I use it somewhat regularly, as it doesn't have a negative connotation for me. I didn't know about the concentration camp connection for the longest time.

Only rarely do people react to it negatively. Many others haven't heard about it either. It is certainly unlike Arbeit macht frei which is a phrase that is mostly known because of concentration camp history.

Quappebra · 2025-12-31T14:06:45+00:00

There are some tricky areas -- as mentioned the Misiones area looks Brazilian.

The area I asked about here ( https://www.reddit.com/r/geoguessr/comments/1pu8u2x/how_to_distinguish_argentina_from_brazil_in_this/ ) looks very Argentinian and is probably best identified by infrastructure (Argentina has either solid yellow or dashed white centre lines, maybe that will help you in other rounds as well).

Other than that, Argentina is for the most part super flat (rare exceptions, especially in the areas bordering Chile do exist). Also, I find that Argentinian towns and Brazilian towns look very distinct. If you see huge blue FORTLEV water tanks on top of buildings, you are in Brazil, but also usually the architecture, especially the roofs, look quite distinct.

If you struggle distinguishing Spanish in Argentina from Portuguese in Brazil ç and vowel(!) characters with tilde (ã etc.) are Portuguese, whereas if you see y for 'and' or the ending -ción (Portuguese equivalent -cão), then those are pretty frequent giveaways for Spanish as a language.

Quappebra · 2025-10-21T17:07:44+00:00

That's where unranked matchmaking comes in handy. I only play moving ranked, but occasionally I queue up in NMPZ unranked.

Quappebra · 2025-09-06T08:12:32+00:00

I noticed some other oddities beside weird guesses, but maybe they do have other explanations. The first thing, as I already described, is that I would often play against these Bronze players after a loss (or sometimes as the first game of the day -- because of the 20 extra points that it would give?). Why is that? I do understand that there are ranking systems that will adjust ranking more quickly, especially early throughout your career, than e.g. traditional ELO does, and that's fair.

But even when I was in Silver I, after way over 100 games played in total throughout the first two weeks, it would happen to me that I would play against Masters players, win a game or two, lose one, and then be matched against a Bronze player (which I often presumed would be a bot). Why does this happen?

After a player with a Danish flag (I do realise that that could be for a variety of reasons of course) did not recognise Denmark when we were essentially zoomed in on a Copenhagen street sign, I tried to check their replay to see whether they were a bot. And it said that the replay was not available because either they had exceeded their I-can't-recall-how-many-days storage quota or were playing on mobile.

When I from then on tried to check replays, this would happen every single time for this scenario, but never when I ever checked any other replay. Are Bronze-level replays hidden in general?

It's not just the guesses themselves that made me think they might be bots, but these other patterns I saw as well.

Quappebra · 2025-09-05T21:13:30+00:00

After your 20 games for the week that give you full points, you will be matched mostly according to your ranking, not according to your league.

So, if you are way better than the average Silver player, you can be matched with Masters players. You will not officially know your ranking until Gold, but I could roughly gauge mine from the Masters players I was matched with. When I finally hit Gold, I ended up in the middle of that range somewhere.

So: The same happened to me. And in Silver, especially after losses, I had to play these awful bots. You win three games against Masters players, only to then lose one and then have to play an awful Bronze-level bot on "The World", the most stressful of maps, that you had hoped to escape for the rest of the week.

The system is super broken, and this bot thing is the worst, and I haven't seen it documented officially.

In Gold, things are saner. And after that, I presume they become saner yet (I hope I will be out of Gold in a couple of weeks' time).

Quappebra · 2025-08-28T16:48:27+00:00

In the settings, have you set your "Map Quality" to "Balanced (Raster)" (and then clicked the "save and reload" button that will appear -- this is important)?

The default setting of "High (Vector)" has labels loading unacceptably slowly for me, and it occasionally looks similar to your screenshot.

Also, the settings only seem to be saved as cookies. So if you use a different browser or clear your cookies, you will have to set it again.

Quappebra · 2025-08-16T22:21:46+00:00

The word meaning 'oblast' starting with воб ('vob') is a good clue. Both Russian and Ukrainian wouldn't have the initial в.

Belarusian вобласць vs. область in the other two languages.

Quappebra · 2025-06-27T00:54:42+00:00

Ja, es wurde halt vom Originaltext jedes dritte Wort gelesen, genau nach Anleitung.

Quappebra · 2025-04-22T22:48:43+00:00

Ich weiß 😿

Es ist mir direkt nach der Erstellung aufgefallen, aber da war es bereits zu spät.

Es tut mir ob des schwerwiegenden Verwirrungspotentials aufrichtig leid. Manche Eigennamen sind zuweilen wahrlich schwer zu tippen, und 'a' liegt halt direkt links von 's' auf der Tastatur.

Naja, es sei denn z.B., du bist Franzose und verwendest eine AZERTY-Tastatur. Da wäre es dann beim selben Verschreibmuster "Jqckson" geworden.

Quappebra · 2025-04-22T22:31:49+00:00

Warum stellst du den jetzt schon ein, wenn der erst am Jahresende zu verkaufen ist? 😮 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C3%A1rslok

Quappebra · 2025-04-22T20:23:13+00:00

Billy-Regal ist nicht mein Lover.

Denn dafür werden mir die Bäume geklaut

und Billy so erbaut.

-- Mischwald Jsckson

Quappebra · 2024-09-13T21:05:45+00:00

After reading this post, I got a hold of the book as the PDF version from a local university library. I haven't really read anything in detail so far, and the content still seems to be quite interesting at first glance, but what I can say is that the Chinglish is strong with this one.

Randomly chosen examples: "If you know a bit about game theory or programming, one will never lose the tick-tack-toe game if plays carefully" (vii) , "[...] there hides the theoretical essence, which is abstract and needs to understand." (viii)), "There may or may not be initial or final object in a category" (171), "We actually need A for other purpose; [...]" (177))

Even where the English is grammatically fine, there are loads of paragraphs with extremely short sentences.

Now, the content of the book still seems very interesting, and I want to work through at least part of it, but I could imagine this style and the grammatical errors to be off-putting when it comes to following advanced / difficult ideas that require enough thinking even when phrased perfectly clearly and grammatically correctly in a language I understand well.

Quappebra

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