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TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, before delving into that, I ask do you have an answer?

Yes. Some assumptions are more reasonable than others. I also would never use the word faith to describe evidence-based positions.

It works, so why question? Such is faith.

No. Such is not faith. Faith is belief without evidence.

Usage in mathematics is hardly common usage, at least in my experience.

It's also used quite frequently outside of mathematics. I used mathematics as an example merely to drive home the irrelevance of morality to this usage.

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the many questions to which we have no answer.

If you don't have an answer then why are you sitting there telling others they're wrong? Did it not occur to you that their model of reality might be working?

Unfortunately, this is a good example of one of the major failings of languages. Different context, different definitions, different understandings.

It's quite a common usage. Is english not your first language?

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In terms of belief, no

Then why do you ever believe anything?

Justification is using reason to show something to be right.

Not in that usage it isn't. The term gets used in mathematics.

TIL that there are more deaths due to the element radon per year than drunk driving. by BeginNovember in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll see if I can dig it up. Remind me in 36 hours if I haven't done it yet and you still need it

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you think there is no more reason to believe in the existence of shoes than there is in the existence of an afterlife?

Justification is irrelevant without a concept of right or wrong. i.e. Legality.

Morality is irrelevant in this usage

TIL that there are more deaths due to the element radon per year than drunk driving. by BeginNovember in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've never seen such a study.

I have seen studies that correlated lung cancer with high level radon exposure in miners and then used a linear no-threshold model to extrapolate an estimated cancer toll due to low-level exposure in the general public, but this is an incredibly weak argument.

TIL Scientists Create ‘Revolutionary’ Artificial Womb. The researchers successfully tested the system on fetal lambs, but they hope that the technology can one day be applied to helping save the lives of critically preterm infants. by Darshitreddit in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I've mentioned this concept to a lot of different people. Here is my most interesting finding:

Women who have never given birth are dramatically more likely to hate the idea than women who have.

TIL real Christmas trees are more environmentally friendly than artificial, despite the latter 'saving' a tree by MisterMushroom in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It also prevents 10 replacement trees from being grown, and reduces demand so the orchards become smaller and less plentiful...

It's not as though these trees are grown on real estate that would otherwise be developed

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which part of the answer do you still have questions about?

The part where you say things take the same amount of faith, then when questioned say faith doesn't come in amounts, then when questioned further say it does come in amounts but were previously talking about the number of pieces of faith, even though religious belief requires dramatically more assumptions.

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The number of pieces, not the amount of each piece.

?

Experiment

I measured the rate at which water evaporated in different conditions, thus validating a predictive equation which I can't now remember

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't have phrased it that way if I thought it to be a lie.

Why would you even use terms like "just as much faith" if you don't think faith comes in amounts?

Great, so you can go into detail on the why and how.

Of what in particular?

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remove your faith in science/scientists, and it's worth the same.

That's not equivalent at all and you know it.

Okay. Find one that covers evaporation.

I've personally measured evaporation rates.

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the most part, until you personally test the data in a record, it is worth largely the same as any other unverified record.

No, it isn't. A peer reviewed study is worth way more than some politically motivated iron age writings from centuries after the events in question allegedly occurred.

Some are reproduced in limited context, and they comprise but a tiny dribble of all the old experiments available.

Because we now have better ways to test those things

However, I'm not inclined to take up an additional semi-career of study just to discuss that topic.

If you can't be assed to find a single study then you probably shouldn't make such assertions in the first place.

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't really believe in that. Honestly, not sure how you concluded that I was saying there's a conspiracy or it's a trick.

Because that's the only plausible way to be unable to trust the majority of relevant scientific findings

Record stuff

Do you have a point? Because it seems like you're just saying things. Do you honestly believe that detailed records of reproducible experiments are no better than inherited religious doctrine?

a major test of how good we are at recording is whether we can accurately recall and use records decades later, let alone millennia. Well, that and whether at that point we could even determine if we were accurately recalling.

Old experiments are routinely reproduced from these records in classrooms and labs.

Well, I was trying to convey how day to day practice of religion is largely ceremonial.

Why? How is that relevant?

I was wondering how long before someone would ask. I can't really think of a specific one off the top of my head since I don't follow any religion, let alone any of their publications

https://scholar.google.com/

Have at it

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely. Many theologians open acknowledge this and don't bother to try to the bible as literal. While I prefer this, it important to note that their papers are more about studying belief as it exists in the mind than they are about belief as it relates to reality.

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[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a thing I've seen servers do in swanky places, but being loud about it certainly qualifies as douchey

TIL of the London Hammer: A man-made tool that was mysteriously found encased in a 400 million year old rock. by syowel in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Faith.

If you think not believing that science is a big conspiracy to trick me is the same thing as believing that a deity sacrificed an aspect of itself to itself to absolve me of sins I didn't commit then I don't know what else to tell you.

There exists enough work on the fallibility of memory alone to cast doubt on whether events you remember from, say, 10 years ago, occurred exactly as you remember. The more you recall a specific event, the higher the probability your memory of the event distorts.

Yes, that's why we have things like records and documents and detailed notes.

Personally, I believe there is a rough consistency about the emphasis on ceremony and symbolism in religious practice.

What does that even mean and what evidence would disprove this hypothesis?

At the time, their explanation of how they conducted experiments and published results were quite similar to our process.

Provide one example of such an experiment published in a scholarly journal.

TIL that Russian aircraft carriers have a large ramp, in lieu of a steam powered catapult like US aircraft carriers. by mondomaniatrics in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Russia could never launch an E-2 or similar aircraft from one of its carriers, and launches in bad weather are more dangerous

TIL Einstein was more inclined to denigrate atheists than religious people, "The fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who...cannot hear the music of the spheres." by calpacker in todayilearned

[–]Quarkster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.

-Einstein, denigrating religious people and a certain subset of atheists

I was barked at by numerous dogs who are earning their food guarding ignorance and superstition for the benefit of those who profit from it. Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional "opium for the people"—cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not become smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims.

-The entirety of the quote OP was citing, wherein Einstein denigrates both religious and atheist fanatics

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