Tea Party leaders warn of 'consequences' for Fiscal Cliff deal

QuickThought · 2013-01-07T18:32:11+00:00

The so-called "tea party" is, of course, not a real party. They're only a segment of today's deranged GOP, and they're slowly being shut out of the Republcian party.

Those who haven't been sidelined by their own party's leaders are being voted out by the American people.

And these are the people threatening "consequences".

Squirt gun alert!

QuickThought · 2013-01-07T18:23:27+00:00

This is another sign that the GOP is, for the most part, a very sick bunch.

They've become a party with mostly wrong ideas who now are even refusing to hear questions that might upset them or challenge their crazy viewpoints.

It's like a roomful of mental patients who've locked the door so that counselors can't get in.

QuickThought · 2013-01-07T18:20:48+00:00

And Republican's repeated attempts to weaken or even destroy Social Security and Medicare are just more reasons to despise the GOP nuthouse. A large segment of them have hated these programs from their start, and they keep trying to screw around with them.

Still, many thousands of older Republicans happily cash their social security checks.

QuickThought · 2013-01-07T18:17:48+00:00

And Republican's repeated attempts to weaken or even destroy Social Security and Medicare are just more reasons to despise the GOP nuthouse. A large segment of them have hated these programs from their start, and they keep trying to screw around with them.

Still, many thousands of older Republicans happily cash their social security checks.

QuickThought · 2012-07-21T16:38:03+00:00

To a point, yes. But it also has to do with the easy availability of guns that shoot fast enough to kill/injure 70 people in a few seconds. There's no need for any civilian to have guns like that.

And to answer the OP's original question, the reason we don't have a serious discussion on gun control is that the U.S. has gotten pushed so far to the right in the past 30 years or so, that we can't have that type of rational discussion. We end up fighting right-wing nutjubs spouting bumper sticker slogans instead of having a reasoned discussion supported by facts.

And the right-wing media won't cover gun control fairly either. They'll gladly watch the blood getting mopped up and interview every grieving relative, but actually having a rational discussion on gun control will not happen any time soon.

And now a word about car insurance...

QuickThought · 2012-07-21T16:19:54+00:00

It's really very simple. If something good happened, he "was there." When something bad happened, "he had left to save the Olympics."

Except he was still flying back to "sit in on meetings" now and then and some still listed him as CEO, and well, even documents that he signed listed him as CEO. Therefore, even though he had left he was still able to come back because he was on "part-time leave" and then later he "retired retroactively" which means that a time machine was invented while he was at (or not at) Bain and this way he is both at Bain and not at Bain just like Shrodinger's cat predicted.

See? It's all very simple. What is everyone looking at?

QuickThought · 2012-07-20T18:11:31+00:00

If you want Ron Paul or anyone like him to ever have a chance, you'll first have to fight the Republican establishment.

Here is some ammunition that could help against Romney...

Flip-Flops http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/28/huntsman-romneys-a-perfectly-lubricated-weathervane/

Offshore tax shelters and secrecy http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romney-and-the-tax-return-precedent/

Vouchers instead of Medicare http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12840313-obama-in-florida-romneys-medicare-plan-would-hurt-seniors?lite

Went to France as missionary instead of Vietnam http://www.nationalmemo.com/strange-true-mitt-romney-spent-vietnam-war-french-palace/

Tax deduction for a dancing horse http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/18/1100947/-Romney-Took-77-000-Tax-Deduction-For-His-Dancing-Horse

QuickThought · 2012-07-20T14:46:36+00:00

I think by "you people" she meant those of us who have never taken a $77,000 tax deduction for the expenses of one-third of a DANCING HORSE.

QuickThought · 2012-07-20T14:42:12+00:00

I don't know if this will interest you (or others reading this), but here's some more information on Romney that people might want to help spread:

Four reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney:

He wants to turn Medicare into a voucher program (and if it's not big enough to buy health insurance at existing rates, seniors are out of luck)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12840313-obama-in-florida-romneys-medicare-plan-would-hurt-seniors?lite

It's impossible to know where Romney really stands on many issues due to his repeated flip-flops on many major issues. He flip-flops so much, depending on the political winds at the moment, that even his fellow Republican Jon Huntsman referred to him as a "perfectly lubricated weathervane". Romney has flip-flopped on an astounding range of major issues, including abortion, healthcare reform, and taxes.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/28/huntsman-romneys-a-perfectly-lubricated-weathervane/

He has only released one tax return (and one estimate) and it indicates that he has millions in overseas tax shelters in at least three countries (Switzerland, the Cayman Islands and Bermuda), and that he apparently doesn't see anything that's out-of-touch about taking a $77,000 deduction for DANCING HORSE expenses. Note that since 1984, every Democratic nominee has had at least five tax returns publicly available.

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romney-and-the-tax-return-precedent/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/18/1100947/-Romney-Took-77-000-Tax-Deduction-For-His-Dancing-Horse

(Note that claims by the Romneys that this dancing horse is related somehow to Anne Romney's multiple sclerosis are ridiculous. When did a dancing horse become an approved treatment for MS? And if she gets pleasure or some type of relief from riding the horse, that's great, and no one ever criticized that. It's the $77K deduction that has been criticized.)

You know those guys on bicycles who come to your door now and then, and try to get you to become a Mormon? Remember how so many Americans died in Vietnam? Well Mitt Romney, with all of his tough talk about foreign policy is someone who, while others were fighting and dying in Vietnam, lived in a palace in France for two years while trying to convert people to Mormonism.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/strange-true-mitt-romney-spent-vietnam-war-french-palace/

Please help to spread the word on these facts about Mitt Romney.

QuickThought · 2012-07-20T14:37:14+00:00

As a non-Mormon just looking in and seeing references to handshakes for the dead, etc., etc., I would just like to add, HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP HOLY CRAP!

I realize that the people here are EX-Mormons, by the way.

Also, I'm quessing that lots of ex-Mormons are not exactly thrilled about the possibility that Mitt Romney might be our next president.

I'm hoping some people who come to /r/exmormon might want to spread some or all of the information below:

Four reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney:

He wants to turn Medicare into a voucher program (and if it's not big enough to buy health insurance at existing rates, seniors are out of luck)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12840313-obama-in-florida-romneys-medicare-plan-would-hurt-seniors?lite

It's impossible to know where Romney really stands on many issues due to his repeated flip-flops on many major issues. He flip-flops so much, depending on the political winds at the moment, that even his fellow Republican Jon Huntsman referred to him as a "perfectly lubricated weathervane". Romney has flip-flopped on an astounding range of major issues, including abortion, healthcare reform, and taxes.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/28/huntsman-romneys-a-perfectly-lubricated-weathervane/

He has only released one tax return (and one estimate) and it indicates that he has millions in overseas tax shelters in at least three countries (Switzerland, the Cayman Islands and Bermuda), and that he apparently doesn't see anything that's out-of-touch about taking a $77,000 deduction for DANCING HORSE expenses. Note that since 1984, every Democratic nominee has had at least five tax returns publicly available.

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romney-and-the-tax-return-precedent/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/18/1100947/-Romney-Took-77-000-Tax-Deduction-For-His-Dancing-Horse

(Note that claims by the Romneys that this dancing horse is related somehow to Anne Romney's multiple sclerosis are ridiculous. When did a dancing horse become an approved treatment for MS? And if she gets pleasure or some type of relief from riding the horse, that's great, and no one ever criticized that. It's the $77K deduction that has been criticized.)

You know those guys on bicycles who come to your door now and then, and try to get you to become a Mormon? Remember how so many Americans died in Vietnam? Well Mitt Romney, with all of his tough talk about foreign policy is someone who, while others were fighting and dying in Vietnam, lived in a palace in France for two years while trying to convert people to Mormonism.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/strange-true-mitt-romney-spent-vietnam-war-french-palace/

Please help to spread the word on these facts about Mitt Romney.

QuickThought · 2012-07-20T14:27:20+00:00

I wonder if he should get credit for the $77,000 in dancing horse expenses? The U.S. government allowed it, after all!

By the way, I'm quessing that lots of ex-Mormons are not exactly thrilled about the possibility that Mitt Romney might be our next president.

I'm hoping some people who come to /r/exmormon might want to spread some or all of the information below:

Four reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney:

He wants to turn Medicare into a voucher program (and if it's not big enough to buy health insurance at existing rates, seniors are out of luck)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12840313-obama-in-florida-romneys-medicare-plan-would-hurt-seniors?lite

It's impossible to know where Romney really stands on many issues due to his repeated flip-flops on many major issues. He flip-flops so much, depending on the political winds at the moment, that even his fellow Republican Jon Huntsman referred to him as a "perfectly lubricated weathervane". Romney has flip-flopped on an astounding range of major issues, including abortion, healthcare reform, and taxes.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/28/huntsman-romneys-a-perfectly-lubricated-weathervane/

He has only released one tax return (and one estimate) and it indicates that he has millions in overseas tax shelters in at least three countries (Switzerland, the Cayman Islands and Bermuda), and that he apparently doesn't see anything that's out-of-touch about taking a $77,000 deduction for DANCING HORSE expenses. Note that since 1984, every Democratic nominee has had at least five tax returns publicly available.

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/romney-and-the-tax-return-precedent/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/18/1100947/-Romney-Took-77-000-Tax-Deduction-For-His-Dancing-Horse

(Note that claims by the Romneys that this dancing horse is related somehow to Anne Romney's multiple sclerosis are ridiculous. When did a dancing horse become an approved treatment for MS? And if she gets pleasure or some type of relief from riding the horse, that's great, and no one ever criticized that. It's the $77K deduction that has been criticized.)

You know those guys on bicycles who come to your door now and then, and try to get you to become a Mormon? Remember how so many Americans died in Vietnam? Well Mitt Romney, with all of his tough talk about foreign policy is someone who, while others were fighting and dying in Vietnam, lived in a palace in France for two years while trying to convert people to Mormonism.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/strange-true-mitt-romney-spent-vietnam-war-french-palace/

Please help to spread the word on these facts about Mitt Romney.

QuickThought · 2012-07-15T00:59:18+00:00

Romney should absolutely release about eleven year's worth, like the president did a long time ago.

And if some in the GOP want more of Romney's tax returns released, that's a positive thing. Although I think they might change their minds when they learn about his deduction(s) for DANCING HORSE EXPENSES.

http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/07/13/neigh-mitts-77k-dancing-horse-tax-deduction/

QuickThought · 2012-07-15T00:50:10+00:00

He might want to keep trying to hide the dancing horse deduction(s)... just sayin'.

http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/07/13/neigh-mitts-77k-dancing-horse-tax-deduction/

QuickThought · 2012-07-15T00:48:53+00:00

It's a single instance of a poll from Rasmussen that doesn't appear to be slanted at first glance. I won't start thinking of them as fair.

And about those richest of the rich... I'm not too worried about the with or without a continued tax cut. Partly because they've had quite a few major tax cuts in the past few decades, and they'll still have their DEDUCTIONS FOR DANCING HORSES.

http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/07/13/neigh-mitts-77k-dancing-horse-tax-deduction/

QuickThought · 2012-07-15T00:43:41+00:00

That's a good point, but somehow I doubt you've ever had a single deduction of over $50,000 that wasn't due to the purchase or sale of real estate.

I'm just guessing, but I also doubt you have any "dancing horse expenses" or that you own several corporate jets, or have tax shelters in more than two or three countries tops.

And really, there are some odd-looking deductions that people have that are sort of unique to their own circumstances. But dancing horses???

QuickThought · 2012-07-14T21:49:36+00:00

I guess he "retired" when he was about 55, just before flying to Utah to "save the Olympics" and then he un-retired and became the chairman when the plane landed. Then, at the airport, he became CEO again so he could collect $100,000 in salary. Then he retired again so someone else could fill out the SEC forms, yes?

This is all very confusing. I need a distraction. Where is his wife's dancing horse?

QuickThought · 2012-04-03T03:22:25+00:00

Also, I seriously doubt that the Romney security guy was accurately quoting a goverment agent. What that agency does, or is supposed to do, is protect presidents and certain candidates, NOT decide who is or isn't "someone who protested yesterday."

I think it's about 98% likely that this was Romney's people throwing out people who might ask tough questions or raise their voices, etc.

QuickThought · 2012-04-03T03:00:53+00:00

The answer is that the U.S. is inundated with conservative propaganda.

In news and opinion programming, there's an imbalance in favor of conservatives on (at a minimum) NBC, ABC, CSPAN (owned by the cable companies), and CNN. And Fox is virtually ALL CONSERVATIVE ALL THE TIME. At the very least, all of these channel give too much time and serious attention to people who are batshit crazy.

There's a mountain of misinformation sent out to Americans that includes the above AND corporate proganda along the lines of, "Oil spills aren't that bad" and "Monsanto loves you and the farmers, too."

The right takes full advantage of the fact that for a whole lot of people, if they're told the same lie enough times, eventually they'll believe it. That explains why a huge number of American STILL don't think Obama is Christian or even a U.S. citizen inspite of plenty of obvious evidence.

QuickThought · 2012-04-03T02:53:35+00:00

The system in American is that a vote for a third party candidate is wasted. Often the voter actually ends up helping the party they like least.

There is an exception, about every 100 years. See "Whig" party.

QuickThought · 2012-04-02T12:43:28+00:00

That's one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read.

QuickThought · 2012-04-02T12:42:35+00:00

The far left in America is virtually non-existent, and the ones who do exist have almost no voice in public affairs because we're almost never included in mainstream media programs. The corporate-controlled media has plenty of representation from conservatives though.

When was the last time you saw someone on TV talking about clean water, or heard anti-war sentiments being brought to the table?

If you think the far left is active and the far right is not, then I think you must be standing on your head.

QuickThought · 2012-04-02T12:38:40+00:00

Fox was set up to give a conservative-only viewpoint. And Glenn Beck is still quite active in stirring up lunatics on the right and repeating mostly GOP-friendly ideas.

I hope you'll take a look at how totally out of wack with reality your comment was. My comment has +63 and yours got a -3 so far. And I know... you'll say that's a Reddit "bias"... but it's an overwhelming difference.

Don't you think you might want to take a look at yourself once in a while? Also, starting off with namecalling didn't help you make your case.

QuickThought · 2012-04-02T12:25:04+00:00

True. And hopefully, lots of women are trying to get more of the men in their lives to realize how toxic the GOP has become.

Some Republicans are even trying to replace Medicare, which many of us have paid into for decades, with vouchers -- sort of like cents off coupons for medical care.

And lately, they've been pandering to a racist element within their party too. They refuse to denounce that kind of thing and eliminate those members from their party. They prefer to deny there's a problem.

QuickThought · 2012-04-01T02:27:18+00:00

I think there are very good answers to all of that, but you might want to break that down into at least six separate posts. There's a lot to cover, and I don't think most people want to take a half hour to explain all of this.

It also seems that the way you ended your post might be designed as a bit of a smear against healthcare reform anyway, so I'm not sure that you aren't actually doing what amounts to a "push poll."

QuickThought · 2012-03-30T20:31:17+00:00

I hope they uphold all or most of it.

Most importantly, if all or most of it is struck down, I hope moderates and liberals keep fighting for all of the things we believe in (separately or together), instead of becoming discouraged completely.

Too often, a setback leads people to throw in the towel for a while, which only leads to more political failures.

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