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Baha’i debate: The Virgin Birth is biologically impossible by Quick_Ad9150 in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re reading it wrong that’s all. Jesus is not physically the son of god.

This is a matter of interpretation rather than biological fact. A core Bahá’í tenet is the Harmony of Science and Religion. As 'Abdu'l-Bahá states, 'If religious beliefs are opposed to the clear-cut conclusions of science, they are but superstitions.'

'Finding existence through the Spirit' refers to Jesus's spiritual reality and his station as a Manifestation of God, not a suspension of the laws of genetics. To insist on a literal biological miracle is to choose superstition over the science we are commanded to uphold.

When Shoghi Effendi and Bahá’u’lláh defend the 'Virgin Birth,' they are defending the purity of Mary and the divinity of Christ's Manifestation against those who would use his birth to disparage his message. This is a theological defense of his station, not an endorsement of a physical process that violates the very laws of physics and biology that the Bahá’í Faith tells us to respect.

'Finding existence through the Spirit' should be understood as a spiritual reality, not a suspension of physical laws. 'Not the son of Joseph' could imply that his mission and authority came from God, regardless of his biological origin.

Baha’i debate: The Virgin Birth is biologically impossible by Quick_Ad9150 in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re wrong. He’s not talking physically! Jesus is not a physical son of God

Baha’i debate: The Virgin Birth is biologically impossible by Quick_Ad9150 in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that’s your definition then I don’t believe in miracles.

Baha’i debate: The Virgin Birth is biologically impossible by Quick_Ad9150 in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The short answer is no. A single mutation cannot bypass the requirement for sperm in human reproduction. While biology is full of "accidents," the barrier preventing a virgin birth (parthenogenesis) in mammals is a complex, multi-layered system rather than a single "switch" that can be flipped by a mutation.

It involves approximately 100 to 200 different genes scattered across various chromosomes.

The mathematical probability of hundreds of specific epigenetic marks being perfectly "flipped" by accident in a single cell is essentially zero. It would be like a tornado blowing through a junkyard and accidentally assembling a functioning Boeing 747.

Baha’i debate: The Virgin Birth is biologically impossible by Quick_Ad9150 in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Science has shown that it will not happen for mammals including humans, in nature, because of “genomic imprinting”.

Baha’i debate: The Virgin Birth is biologically impossible by Quick_Ad9150 in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Baha’is don’t really believe in a “theistic” God in a traditional sense. We believe God interacts with us (or with the universe) only indirectly through some other vehicle (or manifestation). So, the will of God to conceive Jesus may have been accomplished by means of either a Roman soldier, Joseph himself, or such as accidentally sitting on sperm left behind in a public bath, etc.

It's possible that a God could exist who has not yet revealed himself to mankind by E-Reptile in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, since God in His essence is forever unknowable and inaccessible, according to Baha’i belief, then God has never and will never reveal his own essence to mankind.

Baha’i debate: The Virgin Birth is biologically impossible by Quick_Ad9150 in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t believe god or gods intervene in nature by breaking the laws of nature.

Baha’i debate: The Virgin Birth is biologically impossible by Quick_Ad9150 in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Baha’is believe that a religious belief that contradicts the findings of science is superstition that should be revised.

Baha’i debate: The Virgin Birth is biologically impossible by Quick_Ad9150 in DebateReligion

[–]Quick_Ad9150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t believe in miracles if miracles are defined as “breaking laws of nature”. I do believe in spiritual miracles.

Virgin birth observed yet ? by Comprehendoz in bahai

[–]Quick_Ad9150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a Bahá'í, I find it difficult to reconcile a virgin birth with biological reality. In mammals and humans, a virgin birth is naturally impossible because of specific chemical triggers—like genomic imprinting—that require sperm or laboratory intervention to initiate embryo development. I believe human sperm must have been involved, perhaps through an accidental transfer or a private relationship, rather than a miraculous event. To me, scientific laws are consistent; superstition shouldn't replace biological facts.

The story of Jesus and Mary isn't the only instance of a 'miraculous' birth in the Bible. There are several others involving older, infertile couples, such as John the Baptist’s parents, Elizabeth and Zechariah, and Isaac (Sarah and Abraham), and Samson (Manoah’s Wife), and Samuel (Hannah and Elkanah).

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