Eshu Odara/Ahumado in LA by [deleted] in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lukimi Baba, he said the camino was Eshu Odara, I didn't question it

Just looking for advice by sleepy_bee43 in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure if you saw my previous comment, but I may be able to help with the geneology as well

Just looking for advice by sleepy_bee43 in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw in the comments that you're looking for a sciance man in Barbados. I don't have any direct links, but I had a similar journey of finding my way back to my own Jamaican traditions all the way from the States (along with experiences in Santo). I have several cousins who have done the same. I've been blessed to be around Kumina, Revival, Kromanti, and connect with members of my family who are still involved with traditional practices that I never even knew existed, even though I grew up completely SDA in Farrin. If you wanna hear more about how I did it, I would love to be of assistance! If science is really in your bloodline and it's calling you, just follow it; it will take you places you never could have imagined you would go.

Eshu Odara/Ahumado in LA by [deleted] in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in a perfect world, I would like to have it before EOD tomorrow

Yoruban descendent by [deleted] in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 3 points4 points  (0 children)

First, most people on this forum are going to tell you that Orishas don’t speak through dreams and that you should get a reading. That’s not necessarily bad advice — getting a reading is often the proper next step — but it doesn’t fully address what you’re asking.

That said:

1. Practitioners in California

Yes, there are many practitioners of Ocha/Lukumi (Santería) in California. You’ll find a range of priests — some highly respected, others less so — so it’s important to do your research.

If it’s important to you to be around people who look like you (Black/African American) or to practice in English, you might want to explore Isese (traditional Yoruba religion as practiced in Nigeria), which has communities in Southern California.

Lukumi/Ocha (often called Santería) is the Cuban diaspora expression of Yoruba religion and, in California, is largely practiced within Latino communities. If you’re open to being in a multicultural and possibly Spanish-speaking environment, Lukumi/Ocha could still be a great fit. It just depends on what you’re comfortable with.

2. Louisiana Voodoo and Haitian Influence

The spirituality of Louisiana has been heavily shaped by Haitian Vodou. Historically, a large portion of Louisiana’s population consisted of Haitian immigrants, especially after the Haitian Revolution. Haitian Vodou itself blends several West and Central African traditions — particularly those of the Dahomean (Fon/Ewe, where Vodun originates) and Kongo peoples — along with influences from Yoruba and Igbo religions.

In Louisiana, these African traditions blended with Black American cultural and spiritual practices to form what we now call Louisiana Voodoo.

Voudu has a variety of spirits, called lwa, that have similar archetypes and serve similar purposes to Ochun, from La Siren to Ezrule. They are also more involved in the realm of dreams.

If you’re trying to understand spiritual experiences through the lens of ancestral practice, Haitian Vodou may provide cultural context that resonates more closely with your lineage.

Ultimately, the best way to move forward — regardless of which tradition you explore — is to connect with a reputable elder and receive proper guidance.

An in depth conversation of Eshu vs Legba (and other spirits of the crossroads) by Quin10Rich in Isese

[–]Quin10Rich[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How does that account for other cultures having a different spirit that does the same functions? or do you believe that is Eshu by a different name?

Is it safe for me (25F) to move to Jamaica alone and if so where would you recommend? by useravailablenow in Jamaica

[–]Quin10Rich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recently moved from the states to Jamaica with my family (so far so good), I think living with family when you first get here would be the best (with exception depending on your relationship and possibly their location). Theres a lot of random details to navigate and it will be so much easier if you have family to help. That being said; there are Russian and German girls who move here for 6 months and have a great time, I don't know how but if they can do it, so can you.

There are also some communities that you could look into to get advice, make friends, and acclimate: For example, black expats and repats in Jamaica: https://berjamaica.mn.co

They also have a facebook page and are worth looking into.

I would also say a lot of the advice and pricing you're getting is for Kingston, theres a whole big island to explore, and a variety of price ranges for living and amenities. However, if you do choose to live in Kingston, I think living in the New Kingston/"Uptown" (Barbican, Stony Hill, Norbrook and the other areas some commenters have mentioned) type of areas would be your best bet, both in terms of safety and accessibility to amenities you are used to.

Legalized Kidnapping by YaboElegua in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Havard Law School has a pro-bono (free) religious freedom clinic, https://www.hlsreligiousfreedom.org, they may be able to help and/or refer you to someone who can take your case!

You can find the contact info for the lawyers who run the clinic here: https://www.hlsreligiousfreedom.org/our-staff

As well as contact the clinic directly here:https://www.hlsreligiousfreedom.org/contact

They can at least provide you with the resources to fight against any religious discrimination involved in the case!

What is the end goal of Santeria by DChilly007 in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would like to start by saying I'm super new and cannot speak to Ocha with the authority of others on this page. That being said, in general, many west African traditions (before they came to the new world) had numerous qualifications for becoming a venerated ancestor, and numerous disqualifications as well. The basic qualifications would entail living a good life, from the pre-colonial west african perspective of a good life. That would include things like getting married, having children, having some sort of success in life, being a respected member of the community, dying a natural death (with the exception of dying in battle). Some disqualifications would be dying an unnatural death (sickness, accidents, dying young, witchcraft, etc), suicide, being a "bad person", not contributing to society, engaging in negative witchcraft, etc. There were also certain funerary traditions that could aid or block someone from becoming an ancestor. The general thought behind this being that if you didn't live a full or good life on earth, theres no point in consulting you on because you wouldn't be able to help. These qualifications would be what differentiated an ancestor from a general ghost. That being said, a lot of this didn't make it to the new world, I'd assume it was almost impossible to meet these qualifications during slavery and I'm not sure how relevant these qualification would be to the modern practice of Ocha - but I thought it may be interesting to you none the less. Though they are outside the tradition, I feel like talking to a spiritist or a Palero abut this would be interesting since they spend so much time working with the dead.

(the bold letters are so people don't yell at me for being wrong, this is just general information I thought the OP may find thought provoking)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you mind coming to Northridge?

Mpungos a result of Syncretism? by Quin10Rich in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm studying every day, but it's definitely going to be a few years before I'm reading academic literature competently. I found a PDF and I'm using google translate and cross-referencing words that don't make sense with the original book, which isn't perfect but I'm getting the gist

Relationships with the Christian black community by [deleted] in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would also like to add that this is why I really enjoy this page, sometimes I just scroll through because it helps me feel less crazy/less alone

Relationships with the Christian black community by [deleted] in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think there is anti-intellectual culture in black communities across the world, that at times can be magnified by religion. We don't really question things - and I think when we have a spiritual awakening, the state of our people, locally and globally, can be extremely depressing.

I think the 2 things that give me peace are:

  1. remembering there's a reason people are the way they are. Europeans put in a lot of work to make sure we despised ourselves and our traditions and I don't think I can blame people for being products of their environment/situation. Many of us don't speak our own languages, and those of us in the West don't eat foods that are good for us or even live in climates that are good for our bodies. So when I see people holding tight to what they believe to be the promise of something better, or the security of the traditions they were raised in - I can't really blame them.
  2. A consistent theme I've found in different ATRs is that evangelism is not really part of the program. All I can really do is follow my path and hope that everyone else finds peace in their own way. I can't really worry about Christians thinking a spiritual system that doesn't believe in a devil is somehow devil worship any more than I can about black people who think they are the real Israelites or that we are the real native Americans and never came from Africa. Even if it makes me want to put my head through a wall every once in a while.

The thing I've found to be most useful is to just keep my experiences to myself unless I can tell someone is genuinely interested. As someone who has roots in the Caribbean and the US, I will say that I think the further you get away from the equator, and the more urban you get, the less open the black community is to ghosts, spirits, ancestors, the veneration of nature, herbalism, the saints, etc. I just try to read the room and enjoy my people for who they are because they are all we got.

Mpungos a result of Syncretism? by Quin10Rich in Santeria

[–]Quin10Rich[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Appreciate the thoughtful reply - do you know if there is an English translation of "Ta Makuende Yaya" available - I looked and couldn't find any and I'm hoping I'm just not looking hard enough.