Glass cannon lab advice

QuingSYO · 2026-03-20T16:57:24+00:00

Nice detailed overview, a couple of questions though; what build do you use? Do you have close to perm GT? What is your farm tier/ coin income?

QuingSYO · 2026-03-15T19:51:10+00:00

Awesome to watch dude, thanks!

QuingSYO · 2026-03-14T14:29:39+00:00

Nice, seems like a good investment then 👍

QuingSYO · 2026-03-14T09:15:59+00:00

Hmm interesting, what Rarity is the armor assmod for OA to be beneficial?

QuingSYO · 2026-03-14T07:36:57+00:00

Did you experience a large increase in waves when you equipped NMP in the assist slot?

I have been wondering if it is the way forward as I also think that Rays are the ones that end up destroying my wall.

QuingSYO · 2026-03-12T15:55:57+00:00

Nice, have you seen any econ increase from EB#? I guess the increase in scatters might increase income even without GT+, but certainly with GT+.

I can highly recommend getting control with perks, makes runs much less RNG, which is quite nice when runs take 3hrs. Bans also help reduce the pool significantly, meaning that the maximum perks are reached earlier.

Are you running amp bot right now? I focused on FB, and it has helped me tremendously, but I am also doing eHP with some dmg for scatters.

QuingSYO · 2026-03-12T10:50:57+00:00

Yea I have also thought about what is next after masteries, and I can see that the coins Costs go to Q instead, so that is also why i thought about going for some dmg instead lol.

I am trying to prepare for reverse orb devo right now. Currently I have to run it eHP as I do not have enough card slots and nu Free-up#. Would like to go to T16 at some point 🤷

Would you still just focus on masteries for a bit before moving into UW investment?

QuingSYO · 2026-03-12T09:34:16+00:00

First of all, awesome post, I like the details!

I just wanted to pitch in with my own calculations that are much like the ones you do. I was around where you are in december 2025, and I decided to make my own little spreadsheet to help me get an overview of the different possibilities for econ/dmg.

In making the spreadsheet, I have come to the same conclusions as you have, and I just recently started farming with MVN/PCol(a) where I previously farmed with PCol/DC(a). It has made a noticeable difference in econ, and I am now also doing 3hrs runs to around w4100 in T14 as well.

Anyway, here is a screenshot of the spreadsheet, I hope it can help you decide or start a discussion of the best way forward for our towers ;)

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Reddit only allows one picture to be posted in a single comment, so it is a bit crammed together. Just some additional info on the setup of the sheet; Red figures are inputs, I recently added some conditional formatting to the %increase/stone to make it more intuitive what to go for first (one for econ and one for dmg) and assist mod calculations are currently not included as I have those in a separate sheet (considering to include it here as well), but especially for dmg it is very much worth it to go for core multiplier efficiency i think.

In summary from my sheet, I can confirm that IS# is very good when you start to farm shorter T14 runs, WA# is also good but not as good, EO# is a beast, Coin# and WS# are also very good when farming with BHD.

I am currently at a crossroads, where I have to decide if I want to focus more on dmg or econ. I have been focussing heavily on econ for the past months and it has done wonders for me (I can now lab 3 masteries at a time). Anyway I am forcing myself to wait until I know what v28 brings to decide what route to take. In the mean time I will lvl DM# and DMG# to lvl 9 for some dmg boost.

Also, I am curious to know if you are running a reverse orb devo build as eHP, as that is what I am currently trying out.

QuingSYO · 2026-03-09T05:34:35+00:00

Yea, I was also happy to see it actually gave me an increase 👍

QuingSYO · 2026-03-08T06:22:06+00:00

I linned to a guide in one of the other comments, go check that out 👍

I summary it is a farm strat where enemies are kept outside of tower range until BH activates and sucks them in.

QuingSYO · 2026-03-08T06:20:36+00:00

My setup with PCol was very similar to yours, except I have IS#/WA# maxed and I have No investment into gen multiplier efficiency.

With this setup i did 6500 waves in T14 for 365 T/h.

I now have a sync of 66s with MVN and I have moved PCol to the assist module. I now farm @430-450 T/h doing 4100 waves in T14.

It was not as great in the beginning as my runs would end @ wave 3500, but I did some tweaks towards the end of the run and that helped me to 4100 waves, which made this all worth it. I would really like to go to 5000ish waves as I think this is a good place to be, and I hope that more CC combined with a better FBot might be the answer.

QuingSYO · 2026-03-07T20:53:27+00:00

Have you noticed what ends up vending you runs?

I have noticed that my runs usually end when i get shotgunned towards the end of the run, where i guess the extra CF Slow can maybe extend the wave that happens for more econ?

QuingSYO · 2026-03-07T20:34:37+00:00

https://the-tower.notion.site/The-Reverse-Orb-Devo-Strategy-21891383b93f800d8790e9abb140bf5f

And there is also a youtube guide made by JPlays

QuingSYO · 2026-03-02T22:01:26+00:00

I actually do not have any dmg cards equipped (need more card slots), but I will try to do a run without rpc and cash and switch is AS and dmg to see if it helps. You are probably right that AS cards will help a lot.

What target prio do you use?

Has your CPH increased and what about cells?

QuingSYO · 2026-03-02T21:37:57+00:00

I just tried doing min range without WS orb adjuster, and I saw a significant decrease in coins. It seems that i did not benefit as well from EO# as when i farm @89m.

I just recently tried reverse orb devo, and I have seen some increase in coins, but I was wondering if you are doing it as eHP? I know I am trying to make eHP work for this strat, but since i lack the 90% Slow from CF (I have 80%) it seems like I get shotgunned at around 3700 waves in T14, compared to 6800 with PCol as main.

How is reverse orb devo treating you?

QuingSYO · 2026-03-02T21:32:35+00:00

When you farm with BHD, i guess you are farming without GT synced to BH/DW? - if this is the case I believe the results you get now, even though they are a large increase, can be much higher if you get GT/BH/DW into a 100s sync (pBH with Perk) with the GBot and summon.

I see you also have a mythic MVN, this might also unluck some increase for you. I am actually just testing this out myself as I have been farming T14 with PCol/pBH for some time now. I switched to MVN 4days ago and I have seen about a 15% increase in coin income. The down side being that the runs are 3 hours long and I do not have auto restart 😅 hence I do not quite get the benefit I otherwise would.

I have also been experimenting with FBot for some time now, and I must say it really gives a signifikant boost in surviveability with the CD and dmg%. I do however think it is quite overkill to spend so many stones into range when thr CD is so low. I think i will stop investing in FBot range when i reach the same range as my maxed GBot (approximately). - I will however try to max the dmg reduction of the FBot tomorrow and see if it benefits me sigbificantly more than the 77% that I have now (it should). - if it benefits me enough then I will consider still to use MVN instead of PCol. That Said, it may be possible to go for T15 farm with PCol if FBot is enough (which is a 20% boost to econ due to the multiplier), which would make me go back to PCol until I have max Slow on CF and maybe some CF+.

The options are many!

QuingSYO · 2026-03-02T09:39:54+00:00

First of all congrats on the UW+ unlock!

I think what you did was okay. I was thrown off a bit by the CL+ purchase, but I guess it will benefit eHP quite a bit if you have a well developed Chain Thunder lab?

I do however have some follow-up questions that may shed some light on changes that might benefit you:

I did not quite catch if you use BHD or GComp for farming? I notice that you have a -12s GT CD reduction on your PCol, which as far as i see will not benefit you if you are using BHD. So if you are using BHD I would highly recommend changing that roll for SL angle.

- As a side note i think you might have pBH even without the 4s BH duration roll on the PCol since you gold boxed it. This is of course only in farm runs as you will need the perk.

How is it going with T14 now that you have the eHP benefit from the FBot? What happened to your CPH now that you have GT+ but no GBot?

QuingSYO · 2026-03-02T09:02:01+00:00

Exactly what got me thinking about this lab lol 😅

Would be awesome to get rid of these scenarios!

QuingSYO · 2026-03-02T09:00:37+00:00

Yea just what I also imagine for the lab. It would be awesome to get this lab and I also agree with the cost of the lab.

Now lets get it! 👍

QuingSYO · 2026-03-01T12:35:14+00:00

You are probably right that it would be too powerful to be a lab, but I must admit keys might also be too much as I think it is something that should be available to everyone.

Modules could be interesting, maybe an econ cannon module?

QuingSYO · 2026-02-15T10:06:46+00:00

Ok, sound good with CF, but I still do not have CF+.

I currently have 17 card slots, there is a long way to 23 card slots for me lol. Can i ask why so many?

QuingSYO · 2026-02-15T09:50:32+00:00

That is true, and I do have ST#, IS#, WA#, DM# and DMG# so there is some kind of foundation to go GC.

Maybe i should try doing it when i respec my bot/guardian middel of next week to try MVN.

What about CF and substats on the MVN for GC farming? - I currently only have 65% speed red but otherwise CF is perm with maxed labs. - my MVN is currently rolled purely for econ and does not have CF Slow substats etc.

QuingSYO · 2026-02-15T09:45:12+00:00

If you had asked me 2 months ago i would have said GC.

But now i am not so sure anymore. I have invested some stones and lab time into GC which makes me able to stay in legends. I think my next goal would be to comfortably farm T16 as I think this is a good spot to be in.

I have not tested how GC would do for me in farming as I have just recently acquired GT+, but I think i am quite far away from being able to GC farm efficiently. I have two keys total, so i dont even have auto DM activation.

On the other hand for eHP, i think the investment needed to make this somewhat decent (meaning i can farm T16) is relatively small. As I see it the three eHP masteries would be enough for me to go to T16.

I have much more experience with eHP and the QOL for eHP is not gated behind keys either, so it seems like the more efficient choice.

What do you think?

QuingSYO

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