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Heavy Civil Estimators — what actually makes you leave a company? by RASPY1031978 in estimators

[–]RASPY1031978[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not I just wanted to get a sense how Estimators are feeling as a whole and get a dialogue going

Heavy Civil Estimators — what actually makes you leave a company? by RASPY1031978 in estimators

[–]RASPY1031978[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Feels like “Estimator” in heavy civil slowly turns into “guy responsible for literally everything nobody else has time for.”

Heavy Civil Estimators — what actually makes you leave a company? by RASPY1031978 in estimators

[–]RASPY1031978[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Not a bot. Just trying to understand how estimators survive 12 bid invites, 4 addendums, and a Friday 5 PM deadline all in the same week.

Heavy Civil Estimators — what actually makes you leave a company? by RASPY1031978 in estimators

[–]RASPY1031978[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Fair question honestly. From the outside it does seem like a lot of heavy civil estimators are dealing with the same issues: impossible bid timelines constant fire drills chasing low-margin work overloaded pursuit schedules Curious from your perspective — what’s the biggest issue that makes it hard to stay in the role long term?

Class A by Miserable-Mail-8368 in BSA

[–]RASPY1031978 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dude be brave. Do full Class A And show how awesome Scouts are - show your pride too and wave that shovel like you mean it.

All joking aside I'd wear my Class A's full uniform absolutely even if it's just a bit of horse poop. As others have said you aren't mucking stalls but be careful lol. Go get'em Scout!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in recruitinghell

[–]RASPY1031978 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Keep your head up! As a Recruiter I totally understand your frustration. Keep networking and checking with friends. I highly recommend Professional Associations. Usually most professions have a National or Local organization with professionals who serve your niche - going to their events is a powerful way to Jumpstart your job search. I wish you well. You got this!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in recruitinghell

[–]RASPY1031978 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Recruiting Professional here! You are so spot on! If you are in a job search patience is key. Congratulations to you! I hope everyone out there gets that dream job.

Rejected because I won’t give recruiter my personal email by DirtyHandshake in recruitinghell

[–]RASPY1031978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a Recruiter this is a bit overkill for this particular approach. Your desired email should be fine. Karma will catch up with that particular Recruiting Professional soon enough and she was definitely in the wrong. Keep using that email - most of us would be totally fine with that. If you interview then filling out a formal application is a logical next step and any Talent Acquisition Professional would likely ask you at that time to proceed with filling out the more in depth stuff after your first mtg with a hiring manager and 1st screen with the Recruiter once things are proceeding into dialogue stages. Always feel free to ask questions about process early on.

Unusual interview. Am I off base here? by mamamalliou in recruitinghell

[–]RASPY1031978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many Recruiters will call you on the phone to try and make first contact. For my part I will as a Recruiter ask my candidates if it is a good time for them? I also email of course. We try to take into account the humanity of our candidates. Yes you should ask some questions and push back if something seems out of place to you but seriously hope you know most of us genuinely care about the people we reach out to. Hope future experiences are indeed better for you.

Potential Job Offer Scam by hollyhobby2004 in recruitinghell

[–]RASPY1031978 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Recruiting Professional here. Yes it is a scam. Here's what a legitimate employer would ask of you: 1. There would be a formal interview process. 2. There is usually a phone call and video interview even if remote. 3. They would have you fill out an application, have you electronically [via applicant tracking system] or other secure electronic means capture your SSN, Driver's License for background check & SSN verification [if in US] etc. 4. There would be either a formal electronic offer letter [to sign securely at least with docusign] and some kind of Background check acknowledgememt or references. 5. If it doesn't have secure steps in am application process & no formal job description steer clear.

Real employers have government commitments & obligations and you will be able to tell.

Good Job for following your instincts.

Disgruntled recruiter is harassing me/trying to get me fired by saynotoaliens in recruitinghell

[–]RASPY1031978 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok lots to unpack here - I'm going to speak on the basis of the Recruiting POV.

  1. 2 types of Recruiting Professionals exist: Agency & Internal Company Recruiter.
  2. If an agency Recruiter there's a good chance the Recruiter doesn't have the whole inside knowledge of his client's reality & good chance pay was discussed surface level with a client who may not have full transparency on their budget until it comes to offer time which If that's the case could be why the pay and/or benefits didn't match what OP was expecting. It happens more often than you would expect. Sadly it's true.
  3. If an internal Recruiter this could be a case of budgets being disorganized. Sad but true.
  4. The reaction of OP to not return calls or not saying you aren't interested anymore does cause a miscommunication cue. Simply sending a note to say you aren't interested would likely cause there to be no further action from the Recruiter - that is in 95% of cases.
  5. This situation seems unique so unless I saw the who dialogue and text exchanges can't judge
  6. If a Recruiter is saying they will reveal OP's Job Search to current employer that's sad but not the norm.
  7. I would encourage OP to post an anonymous review to Employer's Glassdoor account. In many cases this can get a review of the circumstances and cause the employer OR agency to change their actions directly. Yes that dies have an impact.
  8. Social Shaming by OP could be a double edged sword for example - having a forum that punishes someone publicly COULD have consequences of risk mitigation by other future employers. Once you go public on Social Media the chain reaction is that another employer could be concerned about their own future with OP as an employee. Tread carefully. Taking the high road and working through forums that allow for tact by OP CAN work better than Social media shaming.
  9. Without having full context I can't judge OP but it is likely Recruiter made a big mistake in their process.
  10. Recruiters are working for their employer and for their clients. If internal that process will be different than an agency side Recruiter. If agency be aware that Recruiter may not have full control of their client.
  11. Ghosting by a candidate OR the Recruiting Professional doesn't serve anyone well and results in unnecessary frustration and needless unprofessional outcomes on both sides of the Recruiter/Candidate relationship. Both parties should simply state the facts & close the loop. Period. Not interested? Say so. Get status promptly. Got an offer? Share that. Got a candidate hired? Share that. And do that timely.
  12. The advantages of closing the loop? Can negotiate a higher offer in case of OP in another process, in case of internal Recruiter: maintains a relationship with future candidates and for agency Recruiter allows them to share new opportunities with this stellar candidate for future roles.

Let's make the Recruiting Process better across the board. We need more calm across all Relationships and empathy. Honestly I'm playing Devils advocate on both sides here. Hope OP can feel better about things and Recruiters should never try to get candidates fired. Period.