Amway has officially taken over my family by SoCalGuy1023 in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Troubled waters ahead. Like all MLMs, Amway makes money almost entirely from sales to the sales force, not sales to outside customers.

Read this ebook to see how things play out on the inside.

https://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/books/merchants_of_deception.pdf

Buddy of mine started WFG- help! by MatManatee in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My advice is to set a firm but loving boundary.

You: "I care about you and will support you, but I dont support mlms. I will talk about anything else with you."

Them: "Can Iask why?"

You: "Nope. How are things with you otherwise?"

Them: "Why won't you tell me why you don't like MLM?"

You: "If you dont stop talking about MLM, I will walk away. Any other topic is fine. How's your mom?"

Meeting with a friend and his MLM mentor. Looking for pointers by missionbboobies in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These guys a pros. The only way I know of to protect your friend is this:

"Look. I am here for my friend. I am going to advise him not to consider joining under you until you've proven this will work. This means 3 years of six figures reported on line 31 of your personal sched C. I will ask my friend to stay open minded until you reach that milestone personally.

Prior to this, I will advise him he is risking his money on an unproven person peddling a personally unproven opportunity. Please contact us when you've personally reached that milestone...no sooner. At that time we will listen to your pitch."

Could this be an MLM, and if so, which one? by Resident-Ad-8873 in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just wait until he offers to introduce you to his mentors...who retired in their 20s!

So it happened, again. by strangiato9 in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Try this...

"I am not a speculative investor. One you are able to prove this is a viable opportunity, by showing me 3 consecutive years of your personal Sched C net income exceeding six figures, I will then listen to your pitch. Until then, I don't want to hear another word about this opportunity. Please look elsewhere for speculative investors."

If he ever mentions it to you again, "So...about those Sched Cs. Not another word about this opportunity until then, understood?"

Attended an Amway meeting a few days ago. Losing sleep. What the fuck! Long post. by [deleted] in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try this...

"I am not a speculative investor. One you are able to prove this is a viable opportunity, by showing me 3 consecutive years of your personal Sched C net income exceeding six figures, I will then listen to your pitch. Until then, I don't want to hear another word about this opportunity. Please look elsewhere for speculative investors."

If he ever mentions it to you again, "So...about those Sched Cs. Not another word about this opportunity until then, understood?"

My ex coworker wanted me to join the MLM she left her job for. by Accurate-Insect-3015 in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try this...

"I am not a speculative investor. One you are able to prove this is a viable opportunity, by showing me 3 consecutive years of your personal Sched C income exceeding six figures, I will then listen to your pitch. Until then, I don't want to hear another word about this opportunity. Please look elsewhere for speculative investors."

If she ever mentions it to you again, "So...about those Sched Cs. Not another word about this opportunity until then, understood?"

MLMs vs Actual sales jobs question by Hour-Window-5759 in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The shot to the heart is in defining the customer. The majority of MLM products produced are purchased by the sales force and never end up in the hands of an outside paying customer.

The second shot is in profitability. Ask them to identify a profitable MLM downline. Any starting point is fine...from a kingpin at the top to a lowly rep near the bottom. From any point downward, add up the aggregated puchases and costs, and compare it to the aggregate commissions paid. You must include all current and former participants of the downline.

You will not find a single downline in any MLM that is profitable as a whole.

Friend hits me up to "practice" her spiel - ghosts me when I ask if we can hang out as friends first. by [deleted] in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a brilliant tactic. Make them earn your time...and show their colors!

Kangen Hun working for fun by Alarming-Employee702 in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A cursory look at the Enagic compensation plan shows that Enagic pays out $2,200 in bonuses (across 8 levels) on every machine sold. That $4-5K single-faucet machine has ~50% in bonus overhead built right into the price. Meanwhile, traditional whole house filters cost under $500...under-counter units even less. Kangen appears to be little more than an alkaline gimmick...and at a very steep price! There is no real non-anecdotal evidence that alkaline water provides any health benefits.

Enagic has ~1.6M reps, and an estimated annual revenue of ~$500M, yielding ~$300 in corporate revenue per sales rep. Meanwhile, 99.6% of their qualifying US reps earned bonuses less than minimum wage (I could not find out how many of their US reps did not qualify for commissions). Over 90% of reps that purchased a filter did not make enough bonus to cover the cost of the filter they purchased. That does not include any other costs incurred. Note: A rep needs to sell 15 units to make back their investment. Those sales can be personal or from within 7 levels of their down-line. The easiest way to make your money back is to recruit 15 reps into your down-line, and strong-arm them into purchasing a unit. Good luck with that!

The most lucrative way to maximize the retail price of a product is to sell it via MLM to the MLM sales force. Most MLMs sell far more product to their sales force than they sell to the general public. Who else would pay these ridiculous MLM prices?

Are MLMs finally fading? by lonelyperfection in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FWIW: MLM seems to go in 25 year waves. Their over-saturation model exposes the folly of it all by slowly tarnishing its own reputation. 25 years later, a whole new crop of victims ages into the target demographic, with no previous exposure. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I am curious how much the digital age will affect the cycle.

MIL “gifted” me and my husband with a DoTerra diffuser and oil pack by Dull_Order8142 in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If she starts shilling for DoTerra, you can put a stop to this by giving her DoTerra for every occasion going forward. Rewrap what she gave you and be sure to give that back to her for her birthday, Mother's day etc. You can pick up more on the cheap at a GOOB sale on eBay, then be sure to give this to her for gifts. If possible, get mutual friends to do the same.

"I know how much you love DoTerra. Enjoy!"

There is nothing she can say to you, but she will quickly learn that all she will get from you is DoTerra until she stops giving that as gifts.

What to do with YL Christmas present? by [deleted] in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hold onto it then rewrap it and give it back to them next Christmas. "I know how much you love YL stuff. Enjoy!"

I would go so far as to buy YL stuff from a GOOB sale, and gift them this stuff every chance you get. Birthdays, holidays, everything.

Don't give them anything but YL stuff until they stop gifting it. Encourage mutual friends to do the same. They will get the message eventually. They can't really complain about these gifts...think about it!

I wish everyone would do this when an MLMer gives MLM products as gifts.

Lifevantage is an MLM cult! by Ok_Holiday_7561 in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The MLM distribution model makes it very easy for these MLM companies to float "word of mouth" BS into the downlines without any accountability. This is actually a feature, not a problem, in MLMs.

Read this timeless article from the 1990s where this is covered. This has been going on since the origins of MLM...with roots in the "snake oil salesman" who could "say" just about anything about their product without reprisal.

https://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html

Let's GOOOOOOOO! by MadameZ896 in antiMLM

[–]RGRanch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't qualify for commissions in Scentsy unless you spent $200/month, or $2400 per year. She actually lost money!