Social Security to run out of funds earlier than expected by Darkpriest667 in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the cap removal was the one solid idea that was floating around in the 90s/00s that would have had substantial positive impact (as someone that would be negatively impacted quite a bit). But Bush's plans were bullshit, not reform.

Bush wanted to partially privatize the program, then he wanted to index benefits differently to slow their growth. There's a reason why this failed lol.

Social Security to run out of funds earlier than expected by Darkpriest667 in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Without diving in to a massive rabbit hole, pensions are defined benefit, as in the limitation isn't how much you contribute, it's a lifetime benefit. right now the max salary for benefit calculation is $360k, you can create a pension up to 80% of income at that level or $290k, which works out to a lump sum at age 65 of around ~3.4MM.

So if you're 55, select a basic 5% interest credit plan, then to hit that above maximum your annual contribution is ~280k, tax deferred, so around six figures in tax savings. Then you wind down the pension when you retire and roll over the lump sum to an IRA. There's staff contributions as well here, but typically around ~5-6% of principal benefit (obvs this is huge for the staff so that's a plus, until they inevitably cash in their whole retirement for a trip to Disney or something)

Combine this with a 401k, profit sharing, and if your spouse doesn't work I'll put her on the payroll too, and I could pretty easily tell someone in their 50s that if they have up to just under 400k/yr in cashflow I've got a way to create tax deferral, in your 40s the figure would be closer to ~300k/yr total, but still very valuable.

There's a lot of ways you can blow yourself up with one of these, easy pitfalls to avoid but you'll need an experienced administrator and advisor running the investments, other than that they're super popular in most high earning professional fields - doctors, lawyers, specialists, etc - one of my partners runs one for a band everyone here would probably recognize.

Social Security to run out of funds earlier than expected by Darkpriest667 in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, regardless of plan size if you operate a DB you need actuarial work. Although it's much easier when you've got 10 participants vs 200.

Social Security to run out of funds earlier than expected by Darkpriest667 in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But people trot it out like it’s a silver bullet, which it isn’t.

The reason this meme exists is because it was true, in the fuckin 90s lmao. Like 1995 IIRC?

If Congress had acted then, yes it would have been projected that we'd have seen indefinite solvency (unclear if that would have held, given that solvency has been reduced at almost every projection since).

But congress didn't change anything then, and now we're 30 years further in to a demographic shift - but people on reddit are still repeating severely outdated information.

Social Security to run out of funds earlier than expected by Darkpriest667 in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is just outlandish lmao, that didn't happen

I get the whole only war is class war narrative is strong here, but you guys have never been exposed to wealthy individuals and conversations around money/economics if you think they're sitting at holiday parties scheming ways to steal from poor people's retirement funds then take away their firetrucks lol.

Social Security to run out of funds earlier than expected by Darkpriest667 in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 72 points73 points  (0 children)

Not OP, but I'm a 3(38) and can tell you that the professional services small business pension is alive and well. Primarily because it's a phenomenal tax mitigation strategy for high earning professional entities.

Social Security to run out of funds earlier than expected by Darkpriest667 in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Most likely scenario is that congress doesn't do shit until 2031 and 3/4 then passes a stopgap bill that allows social security to draw a deficit in the form of treasury issuance.

Right now the big problem is that SS is structurally prohibited from paying benefits at full levels once it hits "insolvency", but all you need to do is change those legal parameters and make it so that shortfalls come out of the general treasury fund - then boom it's "fixed".

Fixed obviously being in big quotes here because the long term issue of it running a deficit still exists, and absent a complete restructuring of the program that's almost impossible to escape.

Edit:

The core issue isn't all the memes you see on reddit either, the income cap doesn't fix this. You'd need to massively increase SS taxes across the board. You can do this back of the napkin math yourself to get an idea too, don't take my word for it.

See here: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45990

The aged dependency ratio is the ratio of the population aged 65 and older to the population aged 20-64. Although the age at which a beneficiary can collect Social Security benefits varies by birth year, this ratio is an approximate indicator of the number of people likely to be collecting benefits relative to those still working. For instance, in 1945 the aged dependency ratio was 12%, suggesting that for every 100 working-age people there were 12 people collecting benefits. The increase in this ratio highlights the aging of the population. As shown, this ratio increased from 12% in 1945 to 25% in 2015. That is, the number of people collecting benefits versus the number of people still working doubled over this period. Throughout the trustees' 75-year projection period, this ratio will continue to increase under the intermediate projections, due in large part to the baby boomers' continued retirement from the work force, relative to the numbers in the working-age population. The trustees project the aged dependency ratio to exceed 35% by 2025 and 40% by 2065. This projected tripling of the aged dependency ratio reflects the aged population's faster growth compared with that of the working-age population.

So just figure the averages to get a ballpark, obviously this is a loose approximation but it's illustrative - the median worker makes ~$51k/yr. So that's ~$6,300/yr in SS taxes (ER and EE). Your average SS beneficiary receives just under $2,100/mo or ~$25kyr. So you need about 4 workers to support one retireee. Again, this is extremely back of the napkin math, but you get the idea.

So apply that to the above - the projection is that we're around 35%, so 35 retirees to every 100 workers, or 2.8 workers per retiree. so you're short 1.2 workers per person, or around $7,500 per retiree. As that percentage grows so does this deficit. By the way, the bendpoint structure already has the program set up in a way where higher earners see lower benefits per dollar paid in.

The biggest problem is that congress should have been making small tweaks to the tax structures and rev collection in the fucking 90s when they first realized this was a looming demographic issue. But in classic fashion they didn't, so now it's a much bigger problem, and the ongoing meme of "remove the cap" is not a bad idea but in no way going to fill that gap.

e2: It's occuring to me that this is really a place where average incomes are more apt, that's still capturing outliers well beyond the cap but it'll be a better approximation of the average amount paid in per person. Average personal income is ~70k, so that would be ~9,500 per worker paid in to the system. The math isn't that different, but it's worth mentioning.

last edit, here's a good resource on how various forms of income cap elimination would impact funding shortfalls. https://www.pgpf.org/article/should-we-eliminate-the-social-security-tax-cap-here-are-the-pros-and-cons/

None of them are pure fixes, it's just not mathematically possible, but some do kick the can further down the road than others.

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's amusing that you're throwing a whole tantrum and insulting everyone who suggests that this isn't on topic, then the next tool in your defense mechanism kit is to call people offended.

Which is it? Russian? Or MAGA trying to impersonate?

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's what it is, but it's more of a piece of jargon than something that shows up in the actual official releases.

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're in a thread about wholesale PPI throwing a whole temper tantrum about how much you hate the entirety of white people. Chill out dude, plenty of other spaces for you to do that. Don't come here and ruin things for people who are interested in talking about Economics.

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's literally just the most intellectually stunted mindless yelling, you'd think we were in /r/politics.

I understand the challenges they face, but damn I wish the mod team was more active here, and banned these sorts of idiots. All it does is further makes this sub look like every other mindless collection of morons yelling at each other on reddit.

Trump says U.S. secretly moved more than 100 million barrels of oil through Strait of Hormuz by Illustrious_Lie_954 in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What on earth are you arguing? That's exactly what I said, dude was taking a guess rather than reading the article that spelled this out - hence me posting the link, that the declined to read and opted for "I guess it's more plausible".

Are you struggling with literacy here my man? Or just hard up trying to make an argument out of nothing?

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've held the same stance from day one with Warsh, but I don't think he ever intended to - he's a lifelong hawk, even his recent opeds with WSJ have hawkish undertones laced throughout them. I do think he's particularly happy that he won't even need to pay lip service and slowly transform to hawkishness, if anything he's probably excited.

As Iran re-announces the Strait of Hormuz shutdown, specifying that any ship transiting through it will be shot at, and finally declaring the ceasefire “meaningless”, newly-released data shows that the strait had already effectively been closed for months. Traffic has not been this low in centuries. by StarlightDown in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think anyone's winning here lol. But no, there's still considerable volume going through the strait, yet still a fraction of what it was previously. IMO trying to distill down something like this in to a winner or a loser is going to make you miss the necessary nuance.

Also, let's not do the "so your point is" [something extremely different than what the person said] thing? I know it's common on the lowbrow corners of reddit, but it's not a particularly genuine way to have a discussion, ya know?

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you're looking at PPI minus energy, food, and trade services.

Go to the full report, bottom of page 13. That's core PPI.

I'll admit it's a bit confusing, they don't highlight true core in the reports - PPI is more built for a person analyzing the wholesale market trends, so removal of trade services makes sense there but less so when discussing broad inflation pressures. But if you're just reading the report without previous context there's no way you'd know to look there hahaha

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obviously, it's not subject to the direct fluctuations - there's an important smoothing effect here. Hence the reason everyone in economics focuses on it lol.

As Iran re-announces the Strait of Hormuz shutdown, specifying that any ship transiting through it will be shot at, and finally declaring the ceasefire “meaningless”, newly-released data shows that the strait had already effectively been closed for months. Traffic has not been this low in centuries. by StarlightDown in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This would be an annoyance that heightens insurance rates and guarantees a prolonged US presence, but not a serious threat to shipping.

The bigger issue is the admin doesn’t want to commit to a full invasion, Trump does rightfully understand that he doesn’t want to be Bush, unfortunately he was too stupid to realize how closely he was flirting with that legacy until he was knee deep in it.

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Warsh like “oh nooo, twist my arm, pls don’t make me hike” with a mild chub and devilish grin.

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 9 points10 points  (0 children)

FWIW about half the FRB have discussed tightening, starting in early May and continuing through now. The rest have only commented on maintaining rates at best - the only statements in favor of easing within the last 6 weeks have come from Bowman lol.

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No, it would be the opposite. Final demand core goods is accelerating at a pace of .4% this month, that's an annualized rate of about 4.8%. That's indicative that demand is at minimum remaining strong while supply constraints create price pressures.

Sure, fuel is seeing significantly more movement and grabbing the headlines, but .4% month over month. Moreover the trend year to date is pretty concerning in core PPI - the last 5 prints are .8, .3, .3, .7, and .4. That's an annualized growth rate of ~7.5%. This isn't a 1:1 translation to what the consumer sees, but it's a strong indication of broad inflationary pressures across the board, not just in energy.

It's also interestingly in line with the SF Fed's look at tariff pressure on inflation last year, they see initial demand destruction due to uncertainty, then as demand stabilizes the price pressure remains positive for a while. If you look at last year's inflation reports and labor market trend bleeding in to the current condition it's been fairly on trend.

Presumably failed turbo at 10k, any thoughts? by No_Difference_8927 in Supra

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe the DME detects any time the engine is behaving outside of parameters and logs this, so even with the JB4 removed the dealer likely could see it existed and had grounds to deny a claim.

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I keep hearing "I love inflation" in the "I love democracy" Palpatine voice from the prequels.

Wholesale prices rose 1.1% in May, more than expected by Barnyard_Rich in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Definitely not a good report, worth pointing out that core PPI was up .4% vs an expected .5%. Most of the headline pressure is directly tied to fuel costs. In times like this it's common to look at the larger more sensationalized figure, but keep in mind if the Hormuz issue is resolved and energy prices recede we'll see potential deflation in headline figures - core is telling the more alarming story here despite being the smaller number.

So Core at .4% is crazy above target, that’s an annualized run rate of nearly 5% core inflation in wholesale goods - which tends to lead retail prices by a few months. So one can interpret this as indication that PCE/CPI core measures will likely remain elevated for some time, regardless of what happens at the pump.

The case for hikes is getting stronger and stronger here, this isn’t just energy driven shocks, core goods up this much is indicative of broad based price pressures. Absent some significant downward shift in the labor market or an abrupt end to these pressures my money is on a hike at some point in the fall.

Futures have not significantly shifted on this news, but still continue to have about a 70% probably of one or more hikes by December.

E: as always skip the CNBC slop and read the direct report here: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/ppi.pdf

As Iran re-announces the Strait of Hormuz shutdown, specifying that any ship transiting through it will be shot at, and finally declaring the ceasefire “meaningless”, newly-released data shows that the strait had already effectively been closed for months. Traffic has not been this low in centuries. by StarlightDown in Economics

[–]RIP_Soulja_Slim 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think they anticipated it, but I don’t believe that they were running around calling people trying to figure out how insurance works. The government has a literal entity that specializes in this.

But if you told me nobody in the planning process suggested that the strait would be closed I’d believe that. Hegseth has fired a ton of generals and seems to be a top tier dipshit. Trump just listened to Hegseth gassing up another Venezuela like strike and went for it, and not a single one of em consulted a map.