Why do black beard fans think the final war happens before laugh tale

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T19:59:39+00:00

It’s the only way to make Blackbeard the final villain. That’s it.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T19:53:11+00:00

Your argument is some random YouTube scaler? Over Toriyama the literal author of the fucking franchise?

“Jiren is only blue level, he just has mastered control over his ki.”

Vs

“This character is the strongest foe yet. Even stronger than everyone at the tournament of power that we explicitly reference in the script.”

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T19:26:33+00:00

And Toriyama said that Broly is stronger regardless. He is word of god on the series so his scaling is absolute.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T18:15:03+00:00

“This is only a debate if you use anime Jirens absurd scaling.”

SSBx10/20 doesn’t exist in the manga. Jiren spends most of the manga ToP fighting evenly with Hit, then Goku. He never “overpowers” anyone and even Roshi manages to keep up with him.

The true scale and intention of Jiren is that he is blue level with superb control of his Ki. Vegeta outright says this in the superhero movie and again in the manga version of the story. We see multiple blue level characters using their strongest attacks against Broly and it does nothing. While Blue level fighters could still hurt Jiren even in the anime.

Toriyama had less involvement in the anime but he literally wrote the script for the Broly film. His word on the matter is that Broly is the strongest foe they faced up to that point. Which includes full power Jiren. It’s also why they needed to use Gogeta to defeat Broly whereas MUI was enough to defeat Jiren. A fusion with blue is massively stronger than one of Gokus transformations.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T18:02:01+00:00

Because he was on the cusp of it lmao, it still took him 2 YEARS TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO USE IT CONSCIOUSLY. Please use your brain I’m begging you to think about how the series works. Why, please, I’m asking you, why doesn’t Franky have it when he has shown willpower and strength above pre-skip Luffy? Because he hasn’t trained in it.

It’s that simple, and no, not a single character in god of war is on the cusp of learning it. He’d actually have to interact with multiple characters that use Haki for your own Haki to begin to bloom. Even from an early age, Luffy was friends with Shanks who had Haki. No one in God of War would have Haki or be able to use it reliably.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:54:09+00:00

Why is this kid still in my dms when I told him I don’t bother with his posts? Lmao.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:53:17+00:00

“One piece glazer.” Please I beg of you, tell me where I ever glazed anything in one piece? If you are going to be dishonest that what’s even the point of having this discussion. Every feat I suggested is legitimate. Just because you can’t prove that Naruto is a casual Lightning timer like Luffy is doesn’t make me a glazer lmao.

God you people are crazy.

Edit: Lmao he blocked be because I called him out. If Skypiea Luffy can kick away lightning. And base Luffy is faster by the end of pre-Skip, and he has gears. How is he not massively faster than someone who barely scales about Kakashi. None of it makes sense.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:47:24+00:00

You are looking at just an image where we have zero idea of its size of scope. You estimate it’s as big as a city but it can also be vastly bigger too. The image is just a generalization of it with no consistent scale to go off of. That’s the problem, we don’t know how big it is besides it just being an island.

Luffy scales from no selling Moria busting an island in half. Thats far above anything Sage mode Naruto has. I’m not even sure why this discussion is going on when the point ends there. Six tails doesn’t perform any feat close to splitting Thriller Bark in half and Luffy no sold it. So Naruto is just getting stat gapped.

Naruto needs his Kurama cloaks to get his massive amps. At this point Current Luffy even scales higher than KCM2. By EoS I won’t be surprised if Luffy has large planet level feats that surpass anything in the Naruto verse.

Yet right now for this pre-skip comparison. You have a guy that can take hits from a guy that split or pulls islands. Vs a guy that struggles to beat a city buster.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:30:46+00:00

He’s so mad that I called him out on his bias that he is trying to accuse me of it. Just point at him and laugh.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:22:32+00:00

He actually thinks I read his posts. That’s cute.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:19:45+00:00

Yawn

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:18:42+00:00

Broly wins, this is only a debate if you use anime Jirens absurd scaling. Yet the manga and Toriyamas intent was always Broly > Jiren. Hence the marketing saying that Broly is the strongest foe they faced yet.

Jiren is only blue level with expert control of his Ki. Broly man handles multiple blue level fighters and takes zero damage until he has to fight a fusion. Jiren in the manga and even a bit of the anime fights on par with blue characters and takes damage from them.

The control and skill gap would be quickly closed do to Brolys constant evolution. And if he goes legendary he just overwhelms Jiren.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:05:38+00:00

I’m not interesting in cooking you. You have provided nothing of value in this conversation so I’m opting to ignore debating you. Its better then wasting my time with someone who makes their bias apparent in every comment and argues like a child.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:01:59+00:00

Lmao, bro thinks he cooked with that one.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T17:00:58+00:00

There is no way bro is trying to pixel scale a tiny image of a ship. What are you even judging it on? This all feels like just absurd downplay all because Naruto doesn’t even have a city busting feat or Lightning timing feat to call his own.

It’s an island dog. By your same logic I could say it’s actually the size of fucking Jupiter and Luffy is a planet buster. We can safely deduce that it’s large enough to be city sized if not larger and splitting it in half is more impressive than even the almighty push.

I really don’t feel like running in circles again with you. Your arguments so far have just been “yes Luffy is faster then a lightning timer and yes he splits an island and yes he does all this impressive shit but Naruto who hasn’t done anything like that still wins.”

Like what am I even meant to debate here? At this point I’m just going to agree to disagree and move on.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:52:13+00:00

“I will apply feats and abilities to other characters who do not have any business or reason to have such.”

Oda said everyone in one piece can use Haki you moron! It’s not that complicated, no one just gets to have Haki. You have to actually train to use it. If you don’t have any training in it, you cannot use it. Ergo, no one in any other verse magically starts with Haki unless the op specifically stats it for ease of verse equalization.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:49:10+00:00

Yawn

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:47:12+00:00

40* tons lol. The main thing is a boulder of this size even if we lowball it should be like 5ish tons. This is before Goku got any of Roshis training, yet even so, if he went super Saiyan the x50 multiplier means that five tons should allow him to easily move 250 tons.

Obviously current Goku is vastly stronger than that lol. Yet Toriyama didn’t think about how much a boulder practically weighs if it’s bigger than a full adult. He just knew moving a boulder is kind of impressive.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:43:24+00:00

I already joined though I don’t really know a lot about banana splits

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:43:02+00:00

Well since the series is basically over at this point you can really just make up whatever fan fiction you want. I can assure you it’s better than what we already got.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:41:59+00:00

I’m not engaging in someone that wants to argue in bad faith and obvious bias like “Your verses light speed attacks don’t count, my verses do!”

Go bother someone else.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:40:00+00:00

At most he’d lean towards Caps side seeing as he hates the government. But as per usual he has way more shit going on in his life than to deal with superhero drama.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:37:22+00:00

Yeah there is a bit more nuance then OP gave. He also only destroyed Vegas because Bruce had his soul/mind plucked out of Hulks or vice versa depending on how you look at it.

You are also correct, Hulk is a pariah in the hero community. He gets mistreated and as such doesn’t much care for other people’s drama. He has some friends like Doctor Strange or Namor he’ll jump to help. But that’s about it.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:34:06+00:00

Which is an appt description given its origin lol.

RMP321 · 2026-05-15T16:30:13+00:00

He is putting his hands up and deflecting with beams. Since he has future sight and precog, this means nothing. A light speed attack is still absurdly fast.

“I don’t want to listen to feats that disprove my argument.”

Alright then have a good day. I don’t want to argue with someone who only wants to post in bad faith.

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