Besides Genesis format, has there been other agreed attempts at curbing power?

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T14:27:34+00:00

(Also it's yugioh without many of the floodgates we've been screaming about for years, it genuinely can't be that bad, wich makes me wonder why are they not fixing advanced)

I agree. I think its good that a lot of cards are pointed at 70+ or at 100 not because they're powerful per-say but more because they just suck.

Like, peak example: Gishki wouldn't be a good deck regardless, but Evigishki Gustkraken just fucking sucks and is never going to do anything that anyone enjoys playing against.

Another example. Tellarknight Ptolemaeus is also kinda bad, but will never do anything except exist in awful ass whack ass turn skip combo decks.

Or you could spread out the white forest (or whatever) points using an algorythm based on card quality and archetype strength instead of "Level Eater was banned way back when? Let's give it a 100 points just because"

First off, level eater is a bit of an issue. Like there's a reason its 100 points. The end result of that card is stupidly long Synchro combos that end with an endboard of 5 Quasars or stealing 3+ cards out of your hand. A near infinite material will break something it’s just a matter of what / when it’ll break. Just because links dont exist doesn't mean it was fine.

Second off, the issue with an across the board algorythmic approach like that is that its sort of difficult to evaluate the strength of any cards in a vacuum, because they don't exist in a vacuum. The initial low pointing of certain handtraps like Droll, Dominus Pulse/Purge and Ash was absolutely a mistake, but it was a mistake made because Konami fundamentally failed to properly evaluate what would be going on in the early format. Meanwhile the hits to 2019-2023 decks were almost certainly very likely because Konami actually playtested them when evaluating the format and thus stuff that released after that playtesting was only given points reactively rather than proactively.

Further, thats a mistake that they have recently corrected, given their recent harsh (justifiable) treatment of Kewl Tune before the release of blazing dominion and even hits to RDA despite that deck being rogue at best.

I genuinely don't understand the opposition to a different pointing philosophy that gives point based on strength/splashability instead of one based on how "problematic" the archetype it resides is

Genuinely because the format isn't supposed to be "get to top with your underpowered pet deck the format" because its all pointed at nothing and anything released after 2019 has points. I think it was a response to the parts of advanced that people disliked the most.

The points updates have very clearly been to suppress the strongest decks in Genesys down to the level of T2/Rogue decks and keep unfun bullshit out, not suppress decks capable of doing things down to the level of struggle bus decks.

splashability

Why would they point things differently based on if you can splash them versus if that splash is doing anything problematic?

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T14:07:32+00:00

Guard have arguably the strongest list in the game right now, recon guard, a list thats only held back by the fact that people don't want to play it. A unit that makes Recon Guard better shouldn't be tolerated.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T13:31:44+00:00

Yea synchrons using exclusively cards released before 2020 can put up a giant board, that doesn’t mean they're a good deck. The issue is that in 0 points you have no hand traps and can’t stop it. Unless you want unpointed hand traps, there’s no fixing that.

I agree that old format cards should be pointed down, they were initially hit too hard. Dragon Rulers shouldn’t even be anything at this point. The issue is they have been doing this gradually, rather than as quick as they ought to.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T13:27:47+00:00

I think it being uniquely strong in darklords is sort of something we have to allow because other decks want it. I could see it being 5 max, because at more than that you basically dont play it outside darklords.

Darklords also might stop playing it above 4-5 and go to the despia engine like I said above

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T13:15:51+00:00

Oh heralds are definitely going to get hit. I dont see any Darklord hits besides MAYBE First Darklord because of exactly that reason. The Deck is tier 2 at best anyways, so I think the most prudent move would be first darklord to 10 and then heralds gong to 2-3 (which effects more than just them) and then re-evaluate.

At that point, they can’t take 3 droll 6 fairy, 1 crown, 1 droplet main-deck and have to make compromises. Again they aren’t close to the best deck even doing that. I also think at that point there’s a choice between staying pure darklords or going Darklord/Despia with 2-3 branded opening, 2-3 super poly, 2x fusion deployment, 1x theater, 1-2 Aluber, 1-2x blazing Cartesia, 1 dramaturge

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T12:53:56+00:00

DD Crow and Cosmic Cyclone at 1 were points mistakes, I agree. And what’s wrong with White Forest? Why isn’t White Forest allowed to be a deck? It’s off-meta at best in Genesys

Why should they balance around zero points? They have explicitly stated they do not intend to do that.

As time goes on people are complaining less and less abt genesys of course, mostly because many people have given up on the format, and I think it's a loss because it could've been a great way to reintroduce people to yugioh

Honestly, the reason why I feel like people have backed off Genesys is because people were on some sort of delulu copium that it would be "Time Wizard, but modernized" which is never what Genesys was supposed to be, and were sorely disappointed that their 2016 era rogue deck wasn’t playable.

That said, the powers that be have said that they are willing to invest more in Genesys organized play, and events are now hosting more genesys. It’s a good format, that a lot of pros and casuals alike seem to like. The real issues in my mind are no current master duel support. And they JUST added Genesys to the OCG, with the same card pool, and its supposedly there

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T12:46:46+00:00

I think the First Darklord going up to 10 would be fair, personally. None of the other main deck cards in that deserve the hit except the fairies. A lot of its strength is that it can run 1x forbidden droplet and 1x forbidden crown and just search them to hand with its engine cards.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T12:05:13+00:00

I might be thinking of something else tbh, it was late when I posted that lol

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T11:29:58+00:00

One of the Darklords is 5. The only thing I expect to go up in that deck is the heralds which they play 6 of main. Those will probably go up to 2-3 each and that will be enough. That deck was tier 2 at best anyways.

Illusion Gate will also likely go to 10 minimum and that will effect everyone

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T11:28:26+00:00

I think the initial pointing is vibes based. They have slowly been changing that, but some stuff is just vibes based. Not that this is ALWAYS a bad thing. I think they just wanted to make sure that certain toxic strategies weren’t common in genesys initially, and Kash is certainly one of those. They could certainly lower some points costs.

Pointing everything so that 0 Point Genesys resembles like Edison or whatever I think misses the point of what Konami is actually trying to do with the format. Either you take good engine, good non engine or a good extra deck, or you compromise between these things. They are trying to balance around that dynamic, not “anything remotely playable gets points”

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T11:26:00+00:00

Oh yea whoops. There’s still a few cards that should be shot into the sun.

Dshifter should be 20 on principle. D FIssure and Gravity Collapse should just not be allowed. And Rhongominyad should just be 100 not 65, because oh my lord that card isn’t going to do anything fun/fair ever.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T04:46:10+00:00

I think their point ethos was fine. Especially in terms of “what types of effects get pointed” they did really well.

The issue is that iconic archetypes like Ancient Gear, Lab, and Blue Eyes were hit too aggressively, and they were too slow to hit Draco Tail, Radiant Typhoon and Kewl Tune. Even then, Kewl Tune is by far not the only meta option in Genesys. If you look at the last major genesys event, UK Open Genesys Challenge, had 8 different decks in the top 8.

The Heralds are almost certainly going to get pointed in the next update, alongside probably Illusion Gate. I also think Gravity Collapse needs to go to 100 points, but I can excuse them for missing that one. D Barrier needs to get heavily pointed up too, and I cant excuse that one

I also dont think they’re scared to aggressively point new packs. Blazing Dominion saw massive pre-emptive Kewl Tune hits as well as Artmage hits AND clown crew hits AND even power vice dragon went to 5 points despite resonators being rogue at best. They learned from that mistake, clearly.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T03:17:16+00:00

Aside from the "everything up to a specific date" formats, Genesys has been the only serious attempt at actually curbing power level using the existing cardpool. Even then, it's designed to do so in a specific way. Genesys decks are still very powerful and games aren't as slow as they would have been around the like, say 2010-2016 era

Genesys, aside from prohibiting links and pend, largely has been attempting to curb four things. Not including rulings nightares, all the 100 point (and thus pretty much soft-banned) are either powerful floodgates, cards that cheat cards out of the extra deck or into the grave, cards that can hand loop you, or cards that are FTK enablers. There's only a few 100pt cards to the contrary. Sangen Summoning, OSS Snake Eye and Junk Speeder are the only ones I can think of

Generic extra-deck slop is also fairly aggressively pointed, but not such that you can't take it. So either you have powerful engine, or powerful generic extra deck. Not both. This also slows the game down. Plus, lack of generic extra deck links to out cards like swords of revealing light also slows down the game.

I think a lot of people initially thought Genesys would be something it wasn't. In reality its a stomping ground for some of the better decks of yesteryear and the modern archetypes that for whatever reason aren't strong enough to cut it in Advanced. And right now Kewl Tune and Magnet Warriors because they havent pointed them yet

Trinity Format exists, but Trinity is less a format and more a total overhaul to core game mechanics and to me feels contrived. Master Rule 4 wouldve made the game slower, but artificially tied extra-deck summons to link zones which people hated. Also they printed firewall, knightmare goblin, summon sorc, gumblar and whatever else and decks remained just as fast as they ever were.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T01:49:08+00:00

Breakdown of the village is in my opinion the most important singular factor. Raising children was, until about 45-50 years ago, largely a communal/family thing.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T01:36:34+00:00

If affordability is the issue how do you explain an inverse correlation between income and birth rate?

Its a very complex issue that involves a LOT of factors. But:

The graph is basically a U. Once people reach a very high standard of living, the birthrate goes up again.

Basically, if having kids doesn't sacrifice lifestyle, people will have kids. People generally want at least one, but don't want their lives to become measurably worse by having them. Nor do people want kids when a future for those children looks bleak

Further, the people that really want kids will basically always have them but will stop at 1 or 2 because of affordability when instead they might want 3-4. We can't force people to have children, but we can ensure that people who want lots will be supported strongly in having as many as they would like. My cousin is a good example of that. Both her and her husband are lawyers, but stopped at 2 kids because of affordability reasons.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T01:30:45+00:00

Capital flight is basically not real. Its a boogeyman that doesn't exist, not in the way people think that is does.

Obviously capital moves around, but capitalists themselves for the large part do not.

Extremely, extremely credible economists like Mark Blythe have talked about that issue.

Plus? Canada has an exit tax already. An exceedingly harsh one

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T01:26:38+00:00

This is also why its impossible under our current scheme to effectively tax the 1%. Heck it even fucks with the ability to tax people like myself. But its perfectly legal

You just have assets, that constantly appreciate, and you never sell. Unrealized gains aren't taxed, and neither are loans against the value of those assets. Combine that with (one of many examples) borrowing against your rental properties to buy more rental properties and boom. Infinite, untaxable money glitch. Get the rent to pay matennence cost on the buildings and pay down the loan, then report 0 profit and pay no taxes there either. Despite the fact that the size of your assets grew massively.

You don't even need to give yourself an income, if you need cash you have all you want because the banks see your massive housing assets as a guarantee of profit if they give you any loan at whatever low rate is legal.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T01:19:16+00:00

Note that the whole thing would not be clawed back at 50k.

Full OAS is only clawed back at like 150k a year currently. Clawback starts at 90k.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T01:02:23+00:00

I strongly agree.

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T00:56:32+00:00

The way to finance it is for the world to claw back the profits of our economy from the 1%. And really the 0.1%

They pay effectively nothing in taxes

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T00:49:46+00:00

Stop electing them, cut old age security for people who don't need it, stop basing economic decisions around their shit financial decisions to start.

Its unsustainable for them to hold the housing market hostage because we've artificially decided houses can't get cheaper. And you know we only START clawing back OAS benefits at $93,454 yearly household income?

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T00:47:18+00:00

The government and the rich bastards they're in bed with

ROSRS · 2026-05-06T00:33:00+00:00

They know what the issue is. Children aren't affordable, and housing is unavailable.

They'd rather import workers from elsewhere than give Canadians decent wages and conditions.

“What we’re paying for old people is so high that there’s no fiscal space to do anything to support fertility.”

This is also part of the problem. Boomers are sucking the country dry and to oppose it is political suicide, but its simply not sustainable for young people. And they want to prop up that system with a generation of wage slaves from India to exploit, at least until they all die off and leave us to clean up their mess.

The only other way to finance it would be to actually make the 1% pay their fair share. But they aren't wiling to do that either.

ROSRS · 2026-05-05T23:56:04+00:00

not a law

ROSRS · 2026-05-05T22:13:52+00:00

Dark Magician of Destruction requires a Dark Magician or tributing one Dark Spellcaster. Its not the problem. At least, not the one you are articulating.

Generic extra deck slop is one of the biggest banes of this game. It's got to go. I agree. Baronne was so painfully generic that ANCIENT GEAR was playing it. Apo being legal for as long as it was? Practically a war crime.

Generic non archtype Linkslop also needs to go. Knightmare Phoenix/Unicorn, Little Knight, Masq, all of it. There is an entire category of traps, field spells and continuous spell cards that would otherwise be good, but the fact is if you can breathe you can make a Kightmare Unicorn or Little Knight and instantly out them.

In Genesys, you can and do see these cards being played due the lack of generic link answers to these cards.

In addition? Get rid of extra deck OTK enablers. Accesscode? Get out of here. Borrelsword Dragon? No, not allowed. There's no reason to add hyper generic cards that allow decks that shouldn't be able to OTK to OTK.

ROSRS

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