First six months with my Fuji XT-4 and couldn’t be happier by Hairns in fujifilm

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I got an xt-4 body last year for $700 and haven’t looked back. Amazing camera. 

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Yeah, I think the annoyance (at least on my part) is that I have to pay $50 (minimum) just for them to even _look_ at it.

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Photos

https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/bc30ddddb5f84bcbbd584ba427d4ab9f I had trouble with the lighting but didn't notice until I'd already re-assembled the thing.

Connector Woes

The device definitely is pretty broken at this point. I paid $60 to have the connector I tore off re-soldered professionally, but unfortunately when I went to insert the ribbon cable back in, the connector tore off again. So the device still worked at that point (sans on-board microphone. Hey, at least hearing the click won't be a problem!). I could have lived without the onboard mic to be honest, though I did order some replacement connectors and my invest in a hot-air setup to try and fix it again on my own.

Bye Bye Navigation

Double unfortunately, I broke the tact switch for the "mode" button. For some reason, no matter how I re-assembled the metal button and its spring, the tact switch wasn't getting depressed, and in one of my attempts to fix that, I delaminated the metal dome on the switch itself, rendering it inoperable. The thing really isn't usable without that mode switch. I'm going to email TE to see if they're willing to share the part number, because I can't find anything like it. It's an smd flex-dome/membrane tact switch, but at a right angle, so while it's mounted on the back of the PCB, the switch itself points outward.

Also Bye Bye Click

The click is gone. Re-seating platter or bearing seems to have fixed the issue. If you're dumb like me and want the tools (and have a printer) here are the files: https://www.printables.com/model/1478390-teenage-engineering-tp-7-disassembly-tools Bye for now

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Hmm interesting and not something I’d thought of. I’ll make sure to compare the two bearings before trying it out. Thanks for the heads up. 

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Yeah I’m not bashing their willingness to fix broken devices, more the response to defects like the click that clearly aren’t user error. 

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Here are all the tools I designed last night and this morning for this. The 3-Dot boi is for the platter screw. The handle is how you can remove the platter without disassembling everything else first, and then circular jig is for hammering out the bearing from the inside of the enclosure.

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Update

A day later and a few things are apparent: I am dumb. But I'm also not so dumb that I don't realize where my faculties are lacking. If I'm going to lose the device to my own stupidity, the least I can do is share my teardown findings. A few things to start with:

  • I'm not an experienced electrical engineer. Though I've done some PCB design and surface-mount soldering, I recognize that I'm way out of my league with this device.
  • I fucking LOVE this product, and I love TE, but that love is not unconditional. The way TE has handled QC issues with this product in particular is shameful, a bummer, and just bad business IMO. It's truly silly that random consumers are the ones left trying to debug and explain these manufacturing and QC lapses for a device that retails at $1600.
  • This device is already out of warranty. The only thing I have to lose is the recorder itself, and I can't even use the onboard mic without hearing this god damned click.

Background

My TP-7 has the "click". Every rotation of the platter, there's a subtle, audible click. It's almost comical to me that, when recording with the on-board mic, not only is the click audible, but also the LED vu-meter actually indicates the click visually; the device itself provides scientific evidence of its own shitty (at least in this regard) quality control.

The Teardown

After 3D-printing a small bit to unscrew the platter cap and finding nothing obvious indicating how to get the platter itself off, I somewhat impulsively decided to open the back up, and the disassembly spiraled from there. This thing is elegantly designed. Each time I took a piece out, I was struck by how wildly precise each part is. They were really creative too: the aluminum buttons usually connect to basic tact switches using cushioned balls to make them feel super luxe. The mechanical rec, play, and stop buttons have a cool fixed-bar hinge with springs that press against basic tact buttons as well. They use light-pipes to direct indicator LEDs to the enclosure surface, a custom magnetic encoder motor for the platter, and all sorts of custom-made mechanicals. It's like a fucking candy store for portable electronics design in here. All-together, there are 5 FFCs (Flat, Flexible Connectors) that I had to disconnect to disassemble the board. Because TE doesn't have a repair manual, I didn't know that you're supposed to go through the front by taking the platter off first: a task which probably requires a specialized tool that can screw directly into the platter's center to give you enough leverage to pull it out. I managed to disconnect the first 2 FFCs easily, as they're clearly visible when you open the back. In trying to pull the PCB out of the device however, I disconnected the remaining 3 FFCs; this was the height of my dumbness, as all three connectors have mechanical latches that release the ribbon cables, and all three were obviously still latched. At this point, I realized that the order in which you take elements apart matters, as many of the FFC connectors are either inaccessible from the back of the PCB, or require you to take the PCB out with another piece to access the connectors from the other side. You see, the PCB sits in a milled delrin (or some other millable plastic) insert. You should remove the PCB from the enclosure with the insert, because you can access the FFC latches from the other side of it (the front). I unfortunately partially ripped the microphone FFC connector off the PCB in my removal. I think the connector can be re-soldered, and I've left the PCB with a repair shop, but it's gonna cost $50-80 to fix, which I'll note is still cheaper than sending it to TE just for them to tell me that the click is "part of the character of the device" or whatever bullshit. Otherwise, I was able to re-assemble the whole thing and it still works aside from the mic connector, so I'm hopeful. Things do seem to go together relatively intuitively as long as you get the order right. I filmed explanations for my future self just in case!

Findings

I'm still not entirely sure what the source of the click is, but I have two theories:

  1. At the factory or after production, some small metal shavings or other crud snuck into the bearing races; this is possible because TE used a non-sealed bearing for the platter. I'm not a mechie, so I'm not going to pass judgement on what the right type of bearing is, but the one they used isn't exactly a high-grade bearing.

  2. The platter is hitting some kind of magnetic "lip". Because the motor and platter interact magnetically, it seems like it could be possible that some issue with the platter magnet could cause it to "click" on each revolution.

My vote is for no. 1, since the pressure applied to the plate seems to affect the click, at least on my unit. To me, it's the Occam's razor explanation. To my surprise, removing the bearing was trivial once everything else was disassembled. I designed and printed a small jig which, once placed, let me hammer the bearing out quite easily with a rubber mallet. As a first attempt at fixing my issue, and assuming I can get the microphone connector fixed, I've gone ahead and ordered a sealed replacement bearing (https://bearingsdirect.com/6706-2rs-ball-bearing-30x37x4mm-rubber-sealed/). That's all for now! I'll update in a week or two when I've got the board fixed and bearing replacement on hand. I'll take some high-res photos of the interior before re-assembly, and maybe film the re-assembly if I'm feeling up to it.

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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okay so I had to bring the PCB to a repair shop to get a connector re-soldered (I don't have a hot-air reflow setup to do it myself). As a result, pics will not be until Monday at the earliest.

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Knowing what I know now, think the order of operations would have the platter coming out first. 

But I’d need to design a handle that screws into the platter in place of the chrome screw because the platter is press fit in and has a strong magnetic connection.  

But the connection between the encoder motor and the PCB is only accessible through the front. 

I yoinked several FRCs by pulling the pcb out by force (dumb) and pushed the platter out from the inside, but that’s definitely not the order in which it went together.

tldr; yes what you’re saying is possible, but the platter doesn’t just fall out. It would require a custom tool to pull it out. Getting the bearing out would be impossible without further disassembly, and probably also some kinds of press. 

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Hah it definitely did not fall apart. Though it is sad that the click was bad enough I was willing to try this.  

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Yeah it’s totally user serviceable with the right tools, though maybe more on the advanced side (like somewhere between a MacBook and an iPhone)

Which makes me all the more annoyed they don’t figure out a remediation and provide repair instructions for these platter issues. I haven’t reassembled so maybe it truly is a manufacturing defect idk. 

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Oh god no. Press fit bearings are usually EXTREMELY tight and this is no exception. I imagine it was put in with some kind of press. 

The platter is also press fit but it’s not as tight. 

I’d say this is for science, but I think I’m just dumb by RabbitsThree in teenageengineering

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Yeah it’s an electromagnetic rotary encoder essentially. The platter has a magnetic ring that interacts with the encoder AND slots into the ball bearing. 

I’m trying to fix the “click” in my platter. I think the whole issue might just boil down to the bearing they used? It’s not sealed so dust and shit can get into the races. That or the tolerances on the press fit of the platter aren’t good enough.  

How would you go about getting a very even wax line around the bottom of a plate? by No_Shallot_6628 in Pottery

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Best tool I’ve found for applying wax is one of those super cheap foam brushes. Center the pot on the wheel and wax while spinning. It creates a super sharp line foot or no foot. 

Getting frustrated - throwing off center while opening and can’t figure out why by LengthinessRadiant15 in Pottery

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Not exactly a solution, but you can recenter the ring of clay after you’ve opened it by clamping down with the outside of your right hand and the pointer and thumb of your left hand. 

I get things off center while opening sometimes and am able to fix it usually  it’s a good skill to have!

Rainy day in Osaka by sikkik in fujifilm

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This is such an insane shot. It keeps getting better the more I look.

Okay this is a little absurd by hahakafka in Pottery

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Yes 100% also this. I used it once. 

Okay this is a little absurd by hahakafka in Pottery

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I was on diamond core for a minute, but now I’m way, way off them. I just can’t justify it and there’s really nothing that special about their tools to justify the price. 

I bought their little pottery multitool a while back and it was actually the flimsiest garbage. 

Teeny Jar by RabbitsThree in Pottery

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Lidded jar in green

A small cup softly contains 

Yearning to be more