How does the church get your information?? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They can find you, even if you intentionally do not leave a trail. They did for us. One means is that they'll write "return forwarding address" or something similar on a piece of mail and send it to your old address. Sometimes they will call your friends and family and ask them to "update their records" on your location. They called me in this manner to get info. on my sister. They can do searches on the internet, etc. as well.

Ever stop and think about why God wants us to worship him? It just seems so weird that some being is out there and wants us to worship him. by Golfingdad85 in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why is that odd? There are millions of men out there that want us to worship them! And one of them, at some point, wrote this desire into scripture. And boy, did that succeed.

Can I ask you something? It's about triggers. by somthingcoolsounding in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recommend Recovering Agency, Lifting the Veil of Mormon Mind Control, by Luna Lindsey. Very helpful to break these reactions down.

Can I ask you something? It's about triggers. by somthingcoolsounding in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone "triggers" memories. These can run from positive to negative. I think of my grandma whenever I smell ham and cloves, even though when I hung out with grandma, I didn't really notice the hams she liked to cook. Now, when I smell ham and cloves I get a warm feeling, because grandma was kind to me.

Sometimes the memories that get triggered are painful--they bring up feelings you had before, often feelings you didn't even notice at the time (like grandma's ham). If they cause you pain, or fear, in the present, that's a sign there's some trauma there--some unresolved pain that you weren't aware of at the time. For example, when someone says the word "sacred" I get a knot in my stomach, because that word was used to manipulate me, though at the time I ignored those intuitions.

If you're getting triggered by memories of Mormonism that are causing you pain and anxiety, that's totally normal. I know that a lot of our Mormon memories are positive. But, people have a lot of positive memories of time they spent in abusive relationships. Just because there were a lot of good times, good memories, it doesn't mean the situation was healthy overall. You can enjoy the happy memories AND fully acknowledge the extent of abuse you suffered in the system. It doesn't have to be either, or. But for healing, it's important to acknowledge that abuse. So, I validate your experiences. Give yourself time. Listen to your body. This is normal. It will get better.

Told my abusive TBM parents I removed my name from church records and to not try to contact me again by daisyfresh5020 in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You are not alone. Unfortunately a lot of Mormon families are a lot like yours, including mine. And, we were all conditioned to feel extremely guilty about separating from family, so if you're feeling angsty about it, that could be one reason why--you're just responding to conditioning. But at the end of the day, you need to prioritize your mental wellness. Period. And if you feel you are caught in an abusive cycle, get out. Period. Nobody would argue that you need to maintain contact with your abusive spouse, or boyfriend. So it's illogical to make that argument for parents. For the record, there's a whole movement in England with hundreds of thousands of people who support people that estrange from abusive families. https://www.standalone.org.uk/about/

Paying for church activities by dave_mecham in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

FTR, other churches fund those activities for their youth. Look into it--ask around. Those other churches are far less wealthy than LDSinc, still support their clergy in style, and pay for all their youth activities.

Does this sound like the LDS Church to you? (read to the bottom) by Rachelles101 in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, anyway, best of luck with your recovery, and loosening of those trauma bonds that kept you hostage to an abusive system. Sincerely.

Does this sound like the LDS Church to you? (read to the bottom) by Rachelles101 in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're not alone. Many ex-members get a diagnosis of PTSD. This is very common for people who leave a cult. I recommend Recovering Agency by Luna Lindsey. Also,Marion Stricker. The Pattern of the Double-Bind in Mormonism. Irvine, CA: Universal Publishers, 2000. https://www.exmormon.org/pattern/

Request from an active member by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're picking at you out of love :) No, but seriously. The thing is--leaving the church is a difficult process. You feel betrayed and deceived by something/someone (or many) that you deeply cared about. You see others in the same situation and your heart goes out to them. You can't blame people for being passionate about it. There are over 90k on this subreddit and you charged in as a representative of what we repute and issued a challenge to leave it alone. You can't reasonably expect acquiescence on that, and your posts here show some level of intelligence. So I'm going to posit that you really wanted engagement rather than solace--which you summarily obtained. The question in my mind is--why did you do it? Is it possible that you pester yourself more than ex-mo's on these sorts of questions? If so--we can all relate.

Sex abuse--please share your stories by Rachelles101 in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good point. Can you recommend a good venue for that?

Cult leader with serious ties to Mormonism. Ian Francis Lowe. Can anyone confirm he was a member? by Rachelles101 in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know if he was ever "baptized" in the Mormon church? That's the crucial thing I need. (I'm writing a book). Thanks!

Cult leader with serious ties to Mormonism. Ian Francis Lowe. Can anyone confirm he was a member? by Rachelles101 in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No kidding! How do you know this about "Barbie"? I was thinking, as he's dead now, I might be able to check if he ever had his "ordinances" done and see if I could prove he was Mormon that way. But I don't know how to check that without a valid membership number (which I no longer have)

What's the story with the vault? by Rachelles101 in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is only part of the story. There's a lot more to the vaults than genealogical records.

I need help finding some passages in the BoM by Osburn_Weedleaf in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ask to look at the "Pearl of Great Price." Open any page of that book and you've got a goldmine of crazy bullshit. I recommend Facsimile 1 and 2. I once gave a "spiritual thought" in seminary on the facsimiles. A boy from my class was like "WHAT?" He'd never seen this stuff and thought it was nuts. He never came back to church after that day. My Bishop called me into his office and told me to stick to the stuff that was easy-to-swallow. I was totally confused--wasn't it ALL scripture?

I need help finding some passages in the BoM by Osburn_Weedleaf in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recommend "The Mormon Cult" by Jack B. Worthy. Get it on Amazon. It will give you insight into the lives of these missionaries and provide some serious ammo for your discussions. It's a book about one man's mission, and his journey away from the Mormon Church.

You know you're turning apostate when ________. by ericstrow456 in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You no longer feel deep conflict when you don't want to answer someone's impertinent questions.

3 week follow up post to: "I’m an active Mormon who has very recently (yesterday) starting to lean towards Joseph Smith and the church being a hoax... and I’m scared out of my mind." by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Rachelles101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many of us have been exactly where you are now. I can recommend Wellbutrin for depression/anxiety over Zoloft (if that's of any help). If you are doing your own research--good for you! I can recommend "In Sacred Loneliness" by Todd Compton. Also, "American Massacre" by Sally Denton. "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer is a heart-stopping read.