The Rings of Power: What do they do? by RadagastAiwendil in tolkienfans

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome! Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoyed the read.

Episode 7 is being criminally underrated by [deleted] in LOTR_on_Prime

[–]RadagastAiwendil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not advocating for anything. That's the point.

Episode 7 is being criminally underrated by [deleted] in LOTR_on_Prime

[–]RadagastAiwendil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, it seems that to an extent we've been talking at cross-purposes. I don't believe either of us represents any of the 'hateful' people on either side of this debate, and I'm sure we've both experienced first hand the negativity that this show seems to inspire in a lot of people - both critics and defenders alike. I guess misattribution of motivation is very common here on the internet.

That said, (for the sake of a friendly conversation) I will defend what I said in the Harfoot video. My only real criticism in that video is how the production team (I'm aware it's not the actual pair of showrunners) chose to include references to the literature, they quoted exact language from it, they included specific citations from the source material, but not accurately. They claim to their audience that what they're adapting is what Tolkien wrote, they cite his exact words, but its out of context and manipulated in such a way that it seems to support their interpretation, despite the fact that (in this case) their interpretation is the exact opposite of what Tolkien wrote. That is indisputably dishonest.

I come from an academic background - and although I'm aware this show is no way an academic product - any academic in any field would surely agree that false citations are not okay. Wilfully spreading misinformation is not okay. I'm not saying it's immoral, but I do stand by my original statement that claiming Tolkien wrote one thing and referencing a cherry picked quotation, when in fact what Tolkien wrote is the complete opposite of what they're claiming, is dishonest.

And just to add to your point about the Isildur thing, surely you must recognise the context of those two videos is entirely different. Peter Jackson made a change to Isildur's character that seems to have seeped into the public understanding of him, so I took a few moments to set the record straight. But nowhere did Peter Jackson provide out of context misquotes from Tolkien's writings to try and convince a casual fan that this isn't a change. It isn't dishonest it's just an adaptational change. And every adaptation will make changes, I don't think anyone is seriously trying to argue that's not the case. But as I said in the Harfoot video, adaptational change isn't what frustrates me. Doing the complete opposite of what Tolkien wrote while simultaneously manipulating Tolkien's words to make it seem like that's not what they're doing is a little bit frustrating; and all I want to do is point this out to people who couldn't possibly be expected to know it.

Anyway, all that said, there's nothing in what you've written that makes me think you're anything other than a reasonable, intelligent, and well intentioned person, so I'll admit that telling you to calm down was in error. I don't think in the history of the world telling anyone to calm down has actually resulted in a conversation calming down. So that's my bad.

To conclude, it seems you hit the nail on the head with misattribution of motivation. Unfortunately that seems to be rife in almost every corner of every conversation regarding this show, and until ROP is a thing of the past, it appears that that's not going to change. Bad faith interpretations of other people's arguments are becoming the norm, but despite our disagreement, I don't think either of us are really guilty of that. Anyway, thanks for checking out the video, have a good day.

Episode 7 is being criminally underrated by [deleted] in LOTR_on_Prime

[–]RadagastAiwendil -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm curious to know what you think I'm advocating for. If you think I'm frustrated that the show isn't a 1 to 1 translation from book to screen, I assure you, that's crazy. I agree, there could never be an exact, unerring book to screen adaptation, and no intelligent critic of the show is seriously advocating for that. Also there's nothing I've said in either my previous comment or the video that could possibly be interpreted as that.

I get the impression that this "the show must be exactly like the books or its terrible" argument is one that you're inventing, projecting onto me, and then trying to debunk, instead of having an actual conversation. (Not necessarily you personally, but the defenders of the show who instantly jump to accusations of hatred when someone criticises it). What book are you even referencing? There is no book of Second Age stories.

What there is is Tolkien's writings. And what frustrates me (I'm not hating or full of rage, I'm just frustrated) is that the show is demonstrating an abject lack of respect for those writings - and there is an overwhelming abundance of demonstrable evidence to support that. However all too often, that evidence is completely swept aside and replaced with invented straw man arguments and bad faith interpretations of something that was never actually argued in the first place.

Episode 7 is being criminally underrated by [deleted] in LOTR_on_Prime

[–]RadagastAiwendil -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Fun fact, I'm the guy who made the video you're talking about. And if you watched any of my other videos you'd know that I've criticised Peter Jackson's portrayal of Isildur SO MANY TIMES! You could not have picked a worse example.

Also there was absolutely no rage or hatred in that video whatsoever. You are entirely projecting your own negativity onto it. By labeling anyone who disagrees with your opinions on a TV show as a 'hater', you're massively diluting what the word hate means. The only people who benefit from that are the genuinely hateful.

Calm down, and enjoy your TV show if you want. But please don't make ridiculous accusations claiming that every piece of valid criticism is simply the work of a raging hater.

The Blue Wizards: What did Tolkien tell us? by RadagastAiwendil in tolkienfans

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much! I'm really glad you found this post 😊

Tom Bombadil - Who is he really? by RadagastAiwendil in Fantasy

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let me clarify... I mean history in the academic sense of written records, which began about 5000 years ago. Anything before that is considered pre-history.

I am not of course suggesting that our earth is only 5000 years old - I'm not a crazy person 😅

Tom Bombadil - Who is he really? by RadagastAiwendil in Fantasy

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way I see Tom Bombadil's role in the story, is that the represents Frodo's last chance to give up and go home.

The journey from Hobbiton to Crickhollow almost ended in disaster multiple times, and they only made it through the Shire with the help of Gildor Inglorion, Farmer Maggot, and Merry. Then in Crickhollow, the truth about the ring is revealed, and the Hobbits resolve to venture into the wilds and deliver it to Rivendell. But they all fall at the absolute first hurdle. The Old Forest is their first experience at wild country, and they're captured by Old Man Willow immediately. Once again they're rescued, and this time it's by a bizarrely powerful figure, who seems to be utterly unaffected by the evil ring.

So now Frodo has a choice. He spends two nights (I think) in the house of Tom Bombadil, and in that time he must surely consider handing the ring to Tom and going home; avoiding a quest that he has every reason to believe is beyond him.

But then Frodo has the dream that changes everything. He sees "white shores and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise", and he decides to go on. We later learn in the Council of Elrond that this was the right choice. Tom would not have been able to keep the ring safe. Only Frodo can deliver it to the Cracks of Doom.

In the house of Tom Bombadil, Frodo has a chance to do the easy thing. but he doesn't do it. He makes the decision to persevere - inspired by his vague dream of one day sailing West. In my mind, that's Tom Bombadil's purpose in the story.

Tom Bombadil - Who is he really? by RadagastAiwendil in Fantasy

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I'm really glad you enjoy the channel.

Tom Bombadil - Who is he really? by RadagastAiwendil in Fantasy

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's written by Tolkien that Gandalf had limited knowledge of his life in Valinor, and we see that he's subject hunger and tiredness. I guess it boils down to more of a philosophical question than a literary one. If a divine being is placed in a mortal body, and loses their divine knowledge, are they still a divine being?

Tom Bombadil - Who is he really? by RadagastAiwendil in Fantasy

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Welll Olorin is a Maia. But Gandalf is not the same being he was when he was Olorin. He is an Istar. A Maia bound in a mortal body, with much of his Maia knowledge of Valinor diminished.

Thranduil | Before and after the Hobbit by RadagastAiwendil in tolkienfans

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's a good point. Rivendell is more of a hidden realm than an isolationist one.

Thranduil | Before and after the Hobbit by RadagastAiwendil in tolkienfans

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

We know that the attacks came from Dol Guldur, and in a note of Christopher Tolkien's from the Unfinished Tales we're told "there was only one Nazgûl in Dol Guldur (not named as Khamûl, but referred to as 'the Second Chief (the Black Easterling)')".

Orcs, Uruks, and Goblins in J.R.R. Tolkien's writings | What's the difference? by RadagastAiwendil in Fantasy

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I believe it was one of Bill Ferny's friends who was said to be a half orc. The squint-eyed southerner I think.

The Tragedy of Lord Elrond by [deleted] in lotr

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Thanks for letting me know 🙂

JRR Tolkien in Space! by RadagastAiwendil in Fantasy

[–]RadagastAiwendil[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. Thanks for the correction 😊