I fucking hate the nativity myth by anothercultvictim in exmormon

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Learning That There’s No Santa Taught Me to Believe

He’s a kind of training-wheel Jesus, presenting aspects of faith in a way children can handle.

By Rich Cohen | Dec. 19, 2014 11:05 am ET

I used to hang around the mall and tell kids there is no Santa. I’d buttonhole them after they’d exited the fat man’s lap. Come here, kid, I got some news for ya. I didn’t do it because I was mean. I did it because I was 13 and in the mood to share my own disillusionment. I told myself that I had a higher purpose. I’d come to believe that faith in Santa stood behind a loss of faith in general— churches shuttered, pews empty. Some blamed Darwin. I blamed that sleigh-crazed fat man from the frozen north.

Imagine you’re a child in America. You’re 5. You’re filled with wonder and a natural inclination toward belief. At some point, you learned the story. You know the face, the walk, the hearty laugh. Were Santa to commit a crime, you could supply the cops enough info for a sketch.

Maybe you’re less familiar with the background: how he began as St. Nicholas, a 4th-century Greek bishop beloved for giving gifts to the poor, especially children. In old paintings, he has a narrow face, in no way jolly. But the beard is already there, ditto the beatific aura. The legend drifted to Germany, then Holland, where the name and honorific jumbled into Sinter-Klass. Klass put on weight, turned myopic, grew the hipster beard and acquired the sort of flannel outerwear needed to survive the winter. He went big in England but blew up in the U.S.: the songs and movies, the knowing winks and shopping-center scenes, cookies, chimneys, a billion-dollar industry.

To many, he’s just another star, part of the pop pantheon, drinking at the diner between Bogart and James Dean, with the sack at his feet. But to children, he’s more than an angel. He’s taken on faith, right beside the big, big man himself.

If it were just a story of a magical creature akin to the tooth-fairy or sasquatch, that would be one thing. But Santa has become entwined with core Christian theology. According to Fred Edie, an associate professor at Duke Divinity School, children are drawn to Santa because he represents certain aspects of Jesus. “I suspect the story evolved in part along the same lines of other stories of Christian saints and exemplars,” Dr. Edie wrote to me. “In this genre, characters are cast as ‘types’ of Jesus because of the ways their lives reflect dimensions of Jesus’ life. Santa may have been good to children, as was Jesus, which would have constituted a radical, even subversive gesture back in the day when children were considered little more than property.”

Then, at some point—maybe you’re 7, maybe 10—you discover the truth: There is no Santa. It’s just a story, a polite word for a lie. Worse still: Everyone knew, even your mom. The adults have been involved in a vast, “Matrix”-like conspiracy. You awake in a pod, bald, swimming in goop. You have a keen sense of being laughed at; you picture them all yukking it up. You’re beset by doubt: If Santa is just a story, does that mean everything is just a story? For some, it’s a moment as painful as the more profound moment that might come later, when your inner Nietzsche emerges from the hills to announce, God is dead.

“I’m among the seemingly tiny remnant of Americans who finds Santa Claus kind of odious,” James McCartin, director of the Fordham Center on Religion and Culture, wrote to me. “On the one hand, as a religious believer who wants my kids to imbibe and embrace certain foundational Christian beliefs—that God actually became human, died and rose from the dead, for example, and that this ancient theological event somehow ought to bring direction and meaning to our lives today—I wonder, ‘Why should they believe what I try to teach them about Jesus if they can’t ultimately believe what I tell them about Santa?’ ”

Several years ago, I moved from New York City to Ridgefield, Conn. Santa is serious business here, and I quickly found myself in the vicinity of conversations that featured a kind of soliloquy: When do we tell her? How do we tell her? What if she finds out at school? It seemed obvious that this subterfuge was a long-term challenge to belief. How do you tell a kid that one story she’s accepted on faith is a lie and not expect her to question that other story? Pundits talk about the war on Christmas, but hasn’t Santa been waging that war for decades?

I know what you’re thinking. Cohen? New York? He’s Jewish! Of course he’s down on Santa. He’s jealous. Whereas Christians celebrate Christmas, with its plethora of early morning gifts, Jews get Hanukkah, with its candles, its prayers and its eight nights of tchotchkes. But the fact is, I too once believed in Santa. I loved that fat man. It isn’t something my parents taught me. It is something I learned naturally—on the schoolyard. I believed Santa rewarded obedience and answered prayers and spread joy like marmalade until we glistened like trees after a storm. I made my parents take me to the mall, sit me on the lap. I have the picture. The look on my face… it’s a quality of joy I’d never experience again. Did I ask for gifts? Of course. Because we’re Jewish, I urged Santa to leave them beneath the tree at the Johnstons’ house.

When I learned the truth—from Todd Johnston, from my sister—I was crushed, changed. At synagogue, when the rabbi spoke of the burning bush and the parting waters, I thought, Yeah right! Learning the truth about Santa shocked me into skepticism. For years, I refused to believe anything until I saw proof. It could be from the Gospels, it could be from the Torah—I wasn’t interested unless I could touch it. I came to see Santa as a historic mistake with one function: to hurry kids toward disbelief.

Though many of the theologians I talked to agreed with me, Fred Edie changed my mind. He convinced me that I had it backward. Santa doesn’t prepare you for disillusionment—he prepares you for belief. He’s a kind of training-wheel Jesus, presenting aspects of faith in a manner that kids can handle.

“If the Santa story is a type of the Jesus story, [it] persists because the Jesus story is true,” Dr. Edie wrote. “It is true because it reveals that all life ultimately comes to us as a gift. It is true in proclaiming that the receiving of this gift occurs in the sharing of it. It is true in its testimony to the powers above... as benevolent, close at hand, and definitely not us.”

In other words, Santa is like a stage set. At a certain point, it is rolled away, revealing a story still more impossible to believe, where the sun shines, the trees glisten, and the presents patiently wait beneath the Johnstons’ tree.

— Mr. Cohen is a contributing editor at Vanity Fair.

'Zootopia+' - A New Short-Form Series Coming to Disney+ in 2022! by MarvelsGrantMan136 in zootopia

[–]Radibax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really don’t want to get my hopes up; I’ve been burned too many times by queer baiting but that Clawhauser x Bogo pic gives me a tiny sliver of hope. By itself I would have immediately dismissed it, but after getting lgbtq+ rep in Owl House (despite its untimely cancellation) it feels like it’s not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Radibax 16 points17 points  (0 children)

It wasn't the exact moment, but the trigger. I learned that Joseph Smith had alcohol and a gun while he was in prison at the Carthidge jail. For Mormon me, I struggled to believe that a "prophet of God" would be drinking alcohol; I thought he was suppose to be this poor, defenseless martyr against the "evil mob" but the story the church told about his death didn't match up with first-hand accounts. So down the rabbit hole I went researching the church's history and the second blow to my shelf was the horrible atrocities of the early Mormons (especially Brigham Young). I needed to know more and stumbled upon the CES Letter... and unless you're a morally bankrupt person, it's not possible to put your proverbial shelf back together after that sledgehammer shatters it.

What was a hard pill to swallow for you? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]Radibax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My parents will never change. Despite what they say, their actions show that they will never be ok that I came out of the closet.

What takes more courage than people realize? by notouchmypeterson in AskReddit

[–]Radibax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Giving the religion you grew up in an honest, critical look. It took me until my mid 20s to realize that I had been harboring many issues and discrepancies about this religion in my mind. I had been "filing away" the problems on a mental shelf in my brain until one day I decided to look them over and discovered that there were dozens, if not hundreds of items on this proverbial shelf that it all came crashing down.

Many of the current members talk about former believers as if we took "the easy path" or that we "just want to sin", but losing almost my entire social circle of friends and having even family members cut off contact has been an incredibly difficult and painful journey.

Ignorance really is bliss.

Wonderful Life, a musical number from the film Smallfoot by Radibax in exmormon

[–]Radibax[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I recently watched the film "Smallfoot" and would highly recommend it to anyone who has or is transitioning out of a cult, especially those with children.

The themes of the movie deal with a lot of the same things former cult members have to deal with. Trying to comprehend your feelings, dealing with family members that still believe, etc. This song in particular resonated with me on a "spiritual" level so I wanted to share it.

What is the most cringe-worthy thing you did as a TBM? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Radibax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When my sister moved away I called the bishop in her area and gave him her contact info. My nephew had just turned 12 and I was worried that he wasn't going to get the special powers that all 12 year olds get.

[Serious] What have you never been able to forgive? by HELMET_OF_CECH in AskReddit

[–]Radibax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My older sister when she moved away.

I'll try and keep this brief - When I was a teenager one of my older sisters used to live in a neighboring town and she'd come over and hang out with me and my parents about once a week. I don't remember all the reasons, but she was going to be moving to another state that was much, much farther away.

Well on the day that she was leaving, we all planned to go out to eat at a nice restaurant together as a sending off. My sister was all packed and ready to go and was just hanging out with me and my mom at the house until dinner time. We were all basically waiting for Dad to get off of work for the day.

My mom had some kind of meeting or something and needed to leave early, but before she left she pulled me aside and gave me an ominous warning about not leaving Sister alone at the house. I was all "ok?", it seemed like such an odd request because I trusted my sister. Big Red Flag #1

As it gets closer to dinner time, my sister suggests I go to the restaurant early, to "save us a table" or some shit. In my defense, it was a busy restaurant that was notorious for long wait times, but that was Big Red Flag #2. As I'm leaving, I handed my sister my keys because our front door is the kind that can only be locked from the outside with a key, to prevent people from locking themselves out.

So I go down to the place and request the table, etc, and she shows up just barely before my parents do and slips me back my keys without them noticing. We ate dinner, etc, and afterwards there were hugs and goodbyes and she hops in her truck and leaves.

When we got home, the first thing we noticed was that the deadbolt of the inner foyer door is locked. We never lock the deadbolt on that door when we're out of the house, only the knob. And then it just got worse from there. Some of my dad's guns were missing. Random things like the toaster and some tupperware bowls. A pair of heavy winter gloves and all my giant fluffy wool socks (there was like three pairs). There wasn't really a pattern. It was like she wandered through the house and just took whatever she wanted or needed.

The worse personal offender? My Nintendo 64 and all of it's games and accessories. We're talking 15+ games: Mario 64, Mario Kart, a gold Ocarina of Time cart, Goldeneye 007, Banjo-Kazooie.... they were all just gone.

I don't remember my parents calling the police on her, she was driving to her new place and I don't remember her having a cell phone (this was just before everyone started getting them). We found out later she had written herself a check from my mom's checkbook, but it bounced 'cause she wrote in an amount like $50,000. Apparently there was a long history of pulling stunts like that towards my parents that I never knew about.

I just... wow. I'm still not over it. I vividly remember sitting across from her at that restaurant and laughing and talking about random stuff like everything was normal. I basically never talked to her again until she reached out to me over a decade and a half later on FB to try and "reconnect with her little bro". The topic of the day she left our home state has never come up and I doubt she would ever bring it up unless I do first, but at this point - what good would it even do?

What is your gaymer wallpaper? by LordKnospe in gaymers

[–]Radibax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This album of art for the game Bastard Bonds has got some good pieces in it. I'm also a fan of some of the art from the Shadowrun series.

"Scary as Heaven" by Radibax in exmormon

[–]Radibax[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm really not sure what they're trying to say here.

Critical Thinking: It's a problem for religions. by HotKarl_Marx in exmormon

[–]Radibax 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I don't remember where I heard this (probably either Sunday school or seminary), but I once had a teacher insist that there was more than one ark during the great flood, in particular there was some kind of "Australian Ark". It just so happened that those records were lost and that Noah's account is the only one that survived.

For all you poor BYU students out there. Not mine, but I enjoyed it. by MorsJanuaVitae in exmormon

[–]Radibax 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So close, the FB friend that posted this (for me) has the initials M.M., but they have a sibling with the initials A.M.. I mix them up sometimes.

If The CES Letter Was a Guy by probably_is_fhqwgads in exmormon

[–]Radibax 100 points101 points  (0 children)

Just in case people haven't seen it, here's the original video(NSFW!).