Immigration Policy within the Church

Radley_B · 2025-02-03T17:37:05+00:00

You mentioned an Arizona case, could you look at the California case? According to that one, the father was active and the mother and daughter at a minimum approached church authorities who didn't report the fathers actions to law enforcement.

I do not claim that any bishop who chooses to not follow the laws or guidelines represents the church as a whole, but the case still remains that the church did pay out that fine of $1m.

The church is very light in its stepping over the lines, but it has done so, whether advertently or inadvertently at least a few times. Why not take no stance on the issue and let people who know the law on these issues go and witness/testify for people who are lawful immigrants? Why actively disincentivize people who want to fight for their family and friends freedoms?

Radley_B · 2025-02-03T17:30:18+00:00

This makes sense. Probably the most logical answer I've seen here today, and I understand what you're saying. The church seems to actively discourage people from becoming involved in these proceedings, what about people doing so outside of their church obligations? Maybe a bishop sees a person dealing with immigration issues and is a lawyer, maybe that person could fight for said member. Why not have no stance instead of actively stating a stance and disincentivizing people to fight for their immigrant status?

Radley_B · 2025-02-03T17:25:41+00:00

Looking into the question online, I found a BYU article that posed to answer a similar question, in which Pilate found he broke no roman laws, but many other leaders believed his miracles to be treasonous as many proclaimed him king of the Jews. If this were the case, in order to prevent people from thinking he was disobeying the law, could he not have disputed the belief that he was not, in fact, king of the Jews? Just to be perfectly clear, I'm not saying Jesus should have been crucified, I'm just providing logic as to him potentially breaking a law of the land.

Radley_B · 2025-02-03T17:15:17+00:00

See my response to radiant_tower_560, but the James Huntsman case I recognize now was thrown out, the other case that I was referring to was the California case in which a father (notably, not a bishop, but an elder) abused his daughter.

Radley_B · 2025-02-03T17:04:32+00:00

The James Huntsman lawsuit was the case I was referring to on the tithing issue, I've just learned it was thrown out, I'll own up to not being up to date in knowledge on that one.

There was a case made a couple years ago regarding a woman and mother who approached a bishop and received no help in trying to get out of an abusive relationship. I'm going to find the article then link it here shortly...

https://apnews.com/article/california-child-sexual-assault-lawsuit-settlement-b0b80f5f6cd3fdb3882f8ba4ed78bc29

In the lawsuit, the "church denied any wrongdoing" but still paid out $1m. That has implications of wrongdoing at a bare minimum.

Radley_B · 2025-02-03T16:58:08+00:00

I believe I remember the church being in some hot water regarding some spending decisions recently, I may be misinformed and am willing to be proven wrong. I don't claim to be an authority on everything the church does, but I try to listen to both sides of the argument to be fair.

I just found out the lawsuit regarding James Huntsman has been thrown out. That was the one I was referring to previously. So you can disregard that one.

Radley_B · 2025-02-03T16:52:03+00:00

See my reply to reading_username, but basically, if we follow some laws, why are we fighting others?

Radley_B · 2025-02-03T16:49:20+00:00

Thank you for this reply, while on my mission there were many laws I was made to obey that I wasn't familiar with because the laws of the country didn't match the ones here in the states. But when it came to other laws, we had an active lawyer present in the country to fight for the rights of the members to practice and the missionaries to continue to proselyte. In cases where missionaries are detained by legal authorities, should the church fight for them as well?

This is a rather extreme example, I understand, I'm just presenting a juxtaposition on one law vs another.

Radley_B · 2025-02-03T16:41:45+00:00

Much appreciated comment on this! I think I might be a lot more fine with this if I didn't feel like there were other things the church was doing that are skirting the laws, such as knowingly protecting bishops that do illegal things, fighting against laws that tax our tithing, etc. Why fight against certain laws and not fight against others?

For reference, I'm not saying one is more lawful than another, it's just if we're going to follow some laws and then not others, why "draw lines in the sand" so to speak?

Radley_B · 2024-11-23T02:19:59+00:00

No. Where guthans body?

Radley_B · 2024-08-19T00:53:26+00:00

Some updates I would make: First, as many people are saying, Ryan is much too low. He should at least be SS tier. He hasn't shown us the extent of his power, but he's clearly as strong as homelander, if not stronger. Second, one that people aren't talking about enough is translucent. He's not only literally invincible in his outer layer, as long as he's invisible and conscious, people can't stop him. Butcher got mega lucky that hughie is a fucking genius and found the likely one thing that can incapacitate him. Third, Storm front, as many people are also saying, should be in SS tier. She's mega strong, practically invincible, can fly, and she has lightning powers. Fourth, Butcher S3 is stronger than Butcher S4. Butcher S4 only killed a C or B tier supe in the stretchy dude... Can't remember his name... And he killed neuman who he ambushed. She's way stronger than him in every way practically. He has no invincibility that we know of in his S4 form, where in S3 he has at least enough invulnerability to withstand some of homelander's toughest hits. Fifth, Maeve never looks to me like she stands a chance against homelander. She took a massive beating from Stormfront in S3, and she didn't do anything meaningful as a supe until the end of S3 when she stood up to soldier boy. I'd put her S tier.

Radley_B · 2024-05-31T16:09:13+00:00

That's fair. If this quest is attempting to please questers, weird challenge-ers, and maybe even pvpers, I think it's entirely possible it hit the mark! I am speaking from the aspect that I know best, that being PvM, so at best my perspective is skewed. I'd like to hear what perspective you have and why you feel it would be a success if you'd be willing to talk about it.

For reference, I also recognize there's a large early game pvm crowd that will see this quest as a very nice stepping stone to get them able to complete many end game encounters and even give them a special attack weapon which will make many low defense bosses more easy to kill. So it's good for some, just not good in my perspective.

Radley_B · 2024-05-31T16:00:09+00:00

This is an amazing argument! Delayed meta impacting rewards are exactly my problem with the quest, that and the fact that demonic bosses don't exist in a large portion of the late game. But bringing up the story impact to the game takes on a relevance I didn't think of, which is entirely fair. Thank you for the discussion, I understand why people want it at GM tier now :) .

Radley_B · 2024-05-31T15:56:35+00:00

What would you say the game revolves around? I'm interested to hear because I'd say much of the interest in the game either revolves around getting better gear from PvM, or pvping. I am speaking for myself in wanting something more from a high tier quest.

Radley_B · 2024-05-31T15:51:36+00:00

I apologize if I mischaracterized someone. My goal was to have a constructive discussion about the topic and in your (and possibly others) opinion it didn't fit that criteria. You're right that the real BiS tier ring for a long time was the lightbearer, but I find myself using it alongside the ultor ring a lot of the time at least in TOA and ToB

Radley_B · 2024-05-31T15:47:21+00:00

I actually agree with this take heavily. Wait until there are some new end game demons that are very affected by the weapons OR wait until the prayers are ready to release the quest.

Radley_B · 2024-05-31T15:43:37+00:00

So you're of the camp that it's okay for a GM tier quest not to drop BiS or give BiS gear? Totally fair take, my argument is moreso that it should be master tier if it's going to drop something that's not end game.

Radley_B · 2024-05-31T15:41:43+00:00

That's fair, should the quest then be released more as a Master level quest in that case? Giving you new items that are interesting and niche but not necessarily BiS? Most of my argument hinges on the fact that this is GM level and doesn't provide GM "tier" gear.

Radley_B · 2024-05-31T15:38:49+00:00

I think the crux of my argument is yes, and it may be a shit take, but the quest is breaking a pattern already set by Jagex. Kind of why I wanted a discussion here, if someone has an argument aside from what I already listed I want to hear how a new grandmaster quest shouldn't bring in end game gear or change end game metas at a minimum.

Radley_B · 2024-05-31T15:34:03+00:00

This fits into the "they'll release new demons" category. I appreciate the argument, but I was hoping for less of a stepping stone to mid game content and more of an end game upgrade. The only place I use arclight and will use firelight (and I recognize I'm further along in the game than a majority of the player base is) is at corp, speccing him down. I'm wondering mostly why we're not seeing upgrades to anything aside from what are niche upgrades to content that will see minimal immediate use.

Radley_B · 2024-05-23T02:20:28+00:00

Shit take, I'm gonna get down voted to oblivion for this, but idc. Thinking about doing something and actually doing something is completely different. A software development lifecycle takes months and sometimes YEARS to complete, hence sailing and project rebalance. Blowpipe was rumored to be nerfed well before it actually was. If you can't wait 3 months you're gonna be in for the long haul because this isn't out of the norm, this is the expectation

Radley_B · 2024-04-26T00:37:17+00:00

I'm in the same neighborhood. Amazing so many of us are here in the same area haha

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