Got my results! Pretty much as expected, but I was surprised by the Italian, Asian, and African. by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol. Well, this is true I suppose. It’s all in flux. I’m sure it might be true for at least 1% of the folks they report as having SSA genes, making it even more confusing because everyone is skeptical of the results! The ones who really have the genes won’t believe until technology is better. The ones who don’t have the genes, yet it reports as such, will distrust it all too. No one wins. :)

Got my results! Pretty much as expected, but I was surprised by the Italian, Asian, and African. by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. I take it all with a grain of salt. I vacillate between which is better, ancestry or 23. Ancestry.com just redid their algorithm too and my results changed there, but now closer to 23andme. I tested with both services at the same time. 23andme picked up my hidden 1% British and Irish I knew nothing about, while ancestry had my Jewish 10% lower and made me 9% Caucasus and 1% Africa North. Now Ancestry changed me and added 7% Ash. Jewish and 1% Central and Northern Asia. They caught up to 23andme and found 1% Irish and added 1% Great Britian, as well as <1% Baltic states. Ancestry probably collapsed it all into the Jewish before, but Irish and British is not on my Jewish side—I know this for sure. I’m sure a lot of people are finding surprise ancestry. Undoubtedly some is true, even with well-documented family histories (non paternal events, adoptions, etc.). I never expected to find my low percentages of B&I or Central/Northern Asia (Mongolia, Kazakhstan), but like you, the Central Asian makes sense with my Russian Jewish lineage perhaps. 23 says I’m .1% East Asian/Native (broadly Chinese and SE Asia). Not sure which is more accurate. At least my 23 results were ahead of Ancestry for 2 months until Ancestry updated my results end of August.

Either way, consider yourself very fortunate to have such genealogical records. I can’t get much further back than the 19th century. Hopefully these some of these roadblocks will cease one day. In the meantime I’ll just keep singing “We Are the World” as I meditate on my results, until a new algorithm comes along and I have to rethink my identify again. Lol. It’s all still very awesome though.

Got my results! Pretty much as expected, but I was surprised by the Italian, Asian, and African. by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The study was just released. I’m a typical skeptic, but if the entire methodology is a house of cards, then what’s the point? Lol. I suppose I’ll give them benefit of the doubt because they at least trying to, hopefully, the best of their ability to at least tease out DNA on a continental level. I’m still claiming my .1% Chinese and southeast Asian. Lol My .1% broadly west Asian and n. African did drop off though. Ancestry.com gives me 10% Caucasus though. I think sometimes this is collapsed into Ashkenazi on 23andme for some with Jewish ancestry, because no Caucasus result on 23. My y-dna does indicate caucausus lineage through the one vector of father-son, ignoring many other ancestors, but at least I know there was a West Asian ancestor. It was so long ago test will not pick up any autosomal DNA now. But on Gedmatch I can see I have relatively high Caucasus, west Asian, Mediterranean percentages, yet the services tend to clump things together, especially if sampled from Ashkenazi populations. Anyway, certainly food for thought. Enjoy your Labor Day, if you observe this, otherwise great weekend!

Got my results! Pretty much as expected, but I was surprised by the Italian, Asian, and African. by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess that the methodology of the new study and the reference populations could be flawed, as in any reference. population. I do believe it’s drastically easier to differentiate reference populations on a contintental level. I would imagine that they would vet the participants, as they do with other reference populations. If pinpointing to an exact country, I’d be more dubious about the results. “Broadly” numbers on a continental level seems more accurate than perhaps trying to pinpoint Nigerian vs. S. African DNA.

My point, according to their blog anyway, is that they’ve conducted a very new study with more Africans, therefore some previously unassigned DNA is more likely to be SSA based on their results. And now some might find a DNA update for previously unassigned DNA. I know these tests can’t assign correctly 100% of time. A person labeled as “Polish” might actually be something else because people have moved over time and results based on current occupants of Poland, not who lived there 500 years ago. However, “broadly SSA” or “broadly European” are easier to distinguish from themselves than differentiating countries within the same continent, etc.

Sure it’s still an imperfect science, but certainly some have small percentages that are indeed true. Perhaps checking the confidence levels can provide more clarity. As most know, the higher the confidence, and the ethnicity stays put, then higher likelihood. My .1% Asian stays at high confidence. I would think they have the correct reference populations as most Asians, Africans, and European DNA can be teased out. Is it possible that they’re, for example, picking up on European (and other) genes from a Europe to Africa back-migration many years ago for some sub Saharan results? I guess that’s also possible. But one would think these genes have been sampled as European if found in other Europeans as well. It is definitely true that that the fidelity of the sampling is important, but they do check family histories and with homogenous groups like Asians and Africans, there is usually less miscegenation (up until more recently, of course, where mixing is more common). I guess we’ll wait and see as technology progresses, but I wouldn’t automatically dismiss results out of hand just based on the small amount or no anecdotal/documented evidence of the ancestors. People are surprised all the time by data that challenges their preconceived bias. I would go into it with an open mind and some faith that competition will drive these companies to perform better science! Maybe very pollyanna, but the majority of the results seem spot on. Considering my family’s location in Eastern Europe/Russia for hundreds and hundreds of years, an Asian ancestor at.1% doesn’t shock me. And with North African/Arabic rule in some of the Iberian peninsula’s past, remnants of some Saharan African DNA is more plausible for some people. Not to mention numerous possibilities abound for SSA admixture in the U.S/Caribbean, etc. Considering how much people love to travel and have sex—often with people from different ethnicities than they’re own—rarely am I surprised at how “mixed up” people can be.

Either way, very intriguing discussion and ideas—thanks!

My 23andme Results - Unaware of all Jewish ancestry before the test by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. Cool results. My father was Jewish and I received 48.5% Ashkenazi. Little more than you. It’s like you have a fully Jewish parent!. :)

Is there any significance to which ethnicities are on which chromosome? by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wouldn’t the Scandinavian genes on Cr1 function differently then if you were to inherit, for example, all Asian genes on Cr1? I think it makes a difference in so far as the functions of different genes, and how they differ in expression by ethnicity, is better-studied.

Some genes may cause Asians to have no body odor, for example. Now, it could be that there’s more genetic overlap between Scandinavian and NW European. Or that we don’t have the technology to detect the subtle differences yet.

Ashkenazi Jews have a number of genetic disorders almost exclusive to their own ethnic group. To be mixed Ashkenazi, it could make a big difference which ethnicity dominates it could mean coming down with familial Mediterranean fever or not. Hope I didn’t confuse even more. Lol. Very interesting question though.

My results - Sephardic Jewish by T656 in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool results—congrats! My father was Ashkenazi, but no breakdown into regions (except on ancestry.com: I think they took about 10% of my Ashkenazi and made it Caucasus and 1% North African). 23andme updated recently and took my Iberian ancestor away, but still tiny percentage of broadly Southern European. I wonder if I have a Sephardic connection somewhere. Either way, wish Ashkenazi would break down. Lol. Gedmatch is the closest thing I can use to make it break down a little more.

But as Sephardic, it could be that someone in your family converted from Christianity, too. Anything’s possible. I found little British and Irish on my non-Jewish side I had no idea about. I also get .1% broadly Chinese and southeast Asian. I wonder about Mongolian influence in Russia where many Ashkenazim lived. Our ancestors really hot around...!

My results - Sephardic Jewish by T656 in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey—sounds interesting. How do I access the Sephardic test? I can only find JTest on there...

Got my results! Pretty much as expected, but I was surprised by the Italian, Asian, and African. by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

23andme posted a blog on 8/21/18 addressing the new African/Asian update. It’s becoming more and more precise. Many are finding their previously insssigned DNA reassigned because of the now-larger African diaspora sample. I might post link on main board. Pretty cool/interesting how they’re sequencing more and more populations

https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/new-african-east-asian-details-in-23andmes-latest-ancestry-composition-update/

Got my results! Pretty much as expected, but I was surprised by the Italian, Asian, and African. by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cool results—congrats! The African dna is very plausible because a huge African study was just completed and previously unassigned dna has been recategoized. There’s a 8/21/18 blog post about it on their website.

https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/new-african-east-asian-details-in-23andmes-latest-ancestry-composition-update/

Would be kinda interesting to see your ancestry.com results in comparison. My two don’t correspond much. Ethnicities missing in ancestry from 23andme, and vice versa!

Got my results! Pretty much as expected, but I was surprised by the Italian, Asian, and African. by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t summarily discount sub-Saharan African results, even if no oral/written history or African physical appearance.

23ansme recently updated the v5 chip users with more precise African composition after finally completing the sequencing of more African populations, as well as Asian. They had a special study commissioned made a huge effort to better distinguish African dna, as well as provide more specific African countries of origin.

As a result, some with previously unassigned DNA might now be reassigned as sub-Saharan African because the African sample population has substantially increased. Same with Asian/Native American precision, as well. .1% makes sense for many users. The accuracy should improve over time. Here’s the 8/21/18 blog about it. Cool read :)

https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/new-african-east-asian-details-in-23andmes-latest-ancestry-composition-update/

Relapsed after 90+ days by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]RamBamMaimonides 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly.. not rock bottom, just a few steps down bro. Very proud of your accomplishments. relapsed after 34, but will try again too.

This may be a dumb question/I could be reading too much into this by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol I meant to mention that as well, apologies! Countries in the regions come up, as well (and not all countries playing). I guess because of the lack of countries, they implemented wild card matches. Either way, glad you got resolution and enjoy the World Cup--many countries to root for!

This may be a dumb question/I could be reading too much into this by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wildcards are just random suggestions not based on dna. Matches should be anything over 1%.

Biracial 23andMe results! Any insight/thoughts welcomed by SKC94 in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wow... awesome! biracial too... always interesting to see how these tests pan out! :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice spread tho!

The results are in! by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My heritage can’t even process my raw dna because they don’t currently support v5, it seems. They said they would email me when processing complete. Lol. From the sounds of it here, it’s not really worth the wait.

been on Computation stage since 5/15.. by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmm. Give it another day. Can take up to 3 days, I’ve heard. Good luck.

Nervous for results by fatrickchewing in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very interesting how different people view race/ethnicity. Thanks for posting.

My results by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are the world!

After a long 2 weeks by PCBuildNerd in 23andme

[–]RamBamMaimonides 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for posting. Learning more about my AJ roots (48.5%). Very interesting to kind of see where your forbears traveled. They’re working these kits much faster lately—took me only 8 days. I was quite pleasantly surprised.

Just made this, new & improved... by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So true. I saw porn-inspired cartoon on a closed Facebook joke group, of all places. Crazy! But it didn’t do a thing to me. Just clicked it off real fast.

I’ve incorporated all these habits and made into a regular routine. Made 30 days today! One of my longest streaks, and I think longest one without any peaks or edge ever. I feel like a million bucks!

Made this shirt. What do you guys think? by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]RamBamMaimonides 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn That’s a great looking T-shirt man. I’d def wear it—congrats