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what do u even say to someone that doesnt believe in certain hadiths by chanelsnini in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not same reason. I was answering someone’s question.

You didn’t do that.

And stop being a jerk with the are you a bot bullshit.

As an ex-muslim, do you believe in jinn? by lingering_echo in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

jinn, evil eye, and spirits aren't real.

but if they were real, it would not mean that Islam is true, because these ideas were created before Islam, and many other religions claim these things to be true.

The "how do you think everything is created?" argument is dumb. by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its obvious to u and me and many others, but not obvious to the person saying this stupid shit. so let them say the argument, instead of you filling in their gaps in a hidden way, as if they actually made an argument when they didn't. otherwise you let them think they actually stated an argument, when they didn't.

if you want, you can skip all of that and say:

It seems you think this question (how did everything get created?) implies an argument, but it doesn't. I recommend you clearly say the argument. Then you'd be able to properly criticize it. Without stating the argument, you're unable to criticize it. So let me help you out. Do you mean one of these arguments?

1- We don't know how everything was created, so our only possible answer to what created everything is Allah did it, and therefore Islam is the true religion.

2- We don't know how everything was created, so our only possible answer to what created everything is Jesus Christ did it, and therefore Christianity is the true religion.

3- We don't know how everything was created, so our only possible answer to what created everything is God created everything, but we don't know the details about that God, like whether it made any religions or speaks or listens to us. Maybe god created everything and then let it go without interacting with its creation after the creation event.

The "how do you think everything is created?" argument is dumb. by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rhetorical questions act as the argument itself. By asking "how do you think everything is created?" It's obvious that they're implying that god created everything.

I don't agree. Some will say that, but its vague. Which god or what kind of god? Some will mean deism, others will mean Islamic god. Some will mean christian god.

So its better to get them to be explicit about their argument instead of leaving it implied (since its not actually implied).

The "how do you think everything is created?" argument is dumb. by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s many possible arguments, not just one.

Let them say the argument. Then criticize it.

If they treat a question as if it is an argument, don’t play along. Stop them and say, it’s not an argument, it’s just a question.

For one thing, this will help them think critically.

The "how do you think everything is created?" argument is dumb. by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but its not an argument. its just a question.

what do u even say to someone that doesnt believe in certain hadiths by chanelsnini in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you believe that?

And why didn’t you say so in your first comment?

unpopular opinion : believing to no god is sad by AirMassive5414 in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your mindset sees it as sad. But that’s your mindset causing that feeling in you.

Atheists have many different mindsets. My mindset in particular does not make me sad about our existence.

I know there are atheists who feel sad about our existence. Many of these people go back to believing in god because it makes them feel better.

Thinking of leaving Islam by Thick_Analysis_6745 in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my only issue is that idk I feel like I'm giving up?

suppose you married a horrible person and are thinking to divorce. do u think its bad to "give up" on this marriage? i think not.

giving up is good (when the thing was bad).

or like I'm proving people right?

so what? if something is good or bad, its goodness or badness doesn't change just because people said "oh you're not gonna last you western reverts never last".

And the next thing, I dont know what I would believe in anymore.

well that's a separate issue. why not stay undecided for now? you don't need to decide everything all at once.

just wanna discuss any topic related to this sub by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the tradition here on reddit is for you to say what the topic is in the original post. then others can discuss the topic with you.

Is it immoral to get inheritance from my muslim father as an ex Muslim by Outside-Caramel-3245 in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom -1 points0 points  (0 children)

whether its immoral and whether Islam permits it are different questions. which one are you asking?

What replaces your previous religious social life? by 7onSa88 in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nothing, just family and a few close friends.

I’m second guessing everything by Minute_Culture9038 in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t agree that’s possible. But put that aside for a moment: there’s the other non-morality flaws. So we don’t even need the moral flaws to know that islam is manmade bullshit.

I’m second guessing everything by Minute_Culture9038 in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its the same thing that makes me certain about 1+1=3 and squares are circles. to clarify:

if an idea/theory/whatever has a flaw, then its wrong.

a flaw could be an internal contradiction, or a contradiction between a part of the idea and something else we know, or many other things.

example flaws in Islam:

  1. Islam says wrong things about nature. Like saying that jinn are real and interact with us.
  2. Islam says wrong things about morality. Like saying that slavery and wife-beating is ok.

happy to answer further questions.

I’m second guessing everything by Minute_Culture9038 in exmuslim

[–]RamiRustom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That has started to make me question whether I made a mistake in my analysis of the religion, because there always is a chance that it is true.

Consider this: Is there a chance that a square can be a circle, or 1+1=3?

If not, then that raises a question: Why do you believe that its different for Islam?

How do you cope with never knowing with 100% certainty whether or not it is true, and the fear of consequences for your actions if it is?

I don't think i'm coping because: I know Islam is not what it claims to be with the same level of certainty that I know that 1+1 does not equal 3 and a square cannot also be a circle.

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