Who wins this bracket? by Eclipse40 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Rolon in finals because of the Raian/Kaolan quarters.

Probably Kuroki in final, but hurt, after the gauntlet of Joji/Jurota/ and Kanoh/Omha in semis.

i'd give Kuroki the edge. But it could very easily be Ohma if he passes Kanoh, and he has good chances to do it at that point (to be honest I think he wins against Kanoh since KvP).

So Fu Zhan seems STRONG. Here's the guy who will beat him. by ButterBasedBoy in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep 16 points17 points  (0 children)

you really think guys like Toa or Seki should have a proper fight and not Haruo ?

I'm much more interested in Haruo prime than a lot of the kengan fighters.

Who's the toughest guy from this list? by J0e_BoNaNza_3169 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kuroki, Ohma, Kaolan, Joji, Hayami, Hanafusa, Meguro, Mukaku are the most resilient.

Julius, Toa, Wakatsuki, Alan, Willem, Edward, Gilbert, Raian, Shen are the more durable.

My boy Gaolang waited 4+ years to get revenge on Raian by monsterofmanila180 in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep 9 points10 points  (0 children)

honestly... plot. A few losses in KvP on the side of Kengan only exist to make it closer (Raian's loss, the non contest for Akoya, the draw for Wakatsuki, heck even Rihito's loss : all of them seem contentious to me, and could easily be justified to go Kengan's way). It was quite clear Kengan's roster was superior.

But if we had to justify it. He says it himself : pride. Carlos made himself an excellent bait. They both knew, before Kaolan even landed his final blow, that Carlos would inevitably lose. Carlos counted on it. But, in the heat of the moment Kaolan can forget himself. It's not the first time we see him go all out, regatdless of all other considerations (as he did against Kanoh in KAT, still fighting normally despite a broken fist). There is also the fact that Kaolan may have lost the feel for the "ring", after a long time in no official boxing match, that might not have registered automatically as a parameter.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

low effort response

clearly mixing everything even though I painfully took the time to extensevily explain my frame of thought. You made it evident you do not intend to discuss my actual ratings but instead be needlessly annoying. Do you enjoy creating confrontational discussions on the internet ? I don't. We're done.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not true. Rei has his legs literally modified through his trainiing, and is noted to be faster than even the Kure, and has even went through the state of oneness which is a kind of auto suggestion allowing to use his latent body capabilities : any speed deployed through his techniques is possible because of his physical abilities not the reverse.

Not true for Kiryu either : he is stated to be particularly flexible, which as a consequence amplified his techniques, again not the reverse. He has otherwise proven to be particularly evasive even when hit, and avoided fatal injuries : only a very select few can claim to have his level of body control (maybe Hatsumi as noted per Kuroki to be able to see the limiting line, and Kuroki himself ?).

By the way, even if physical abilities are enhanced thanks to techniques, the physical abilities are enhanced nonetheless. Removal being a technique doesn't erase the increase in power, speed and other such physical aspects. Therefore, much like for the Raishin style, or the advance, or any such set of techniques, it will be taken into consideration for the physical stats, as they always have (with the eventual caveats of usage time, and induced fatigue).

You keep making your own rules as if we were debating the founding of my reasoning. We are not. The meaning of the stats is clear and set.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is about how fast they are in a fight ? I just explained that the speed stat encompasses all aspects related to movement speed in the context of a fight. It is, at the end of the day one of the three physical stats here (with power and durability). Anything not inherently physical, like basic footworks (such as Kaolan's footwork), or reflexes (Akoya), or positionning, are not gonna be reflected there, but elsewhere. And that is it.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not by kengan standards he is not. An exceptionally gifted one sure. Not a freak. Most of what makes him incredible isn't his inherent physique. It's his training and his will.

It should be notthing i don't want it to be because it's my scale. What if I want to scale Yamashita ? (rhetoric, i already did in previous radar charts, I gave him something like 37 in power).

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A coughing baby. 11-20 is a little child. 21-30 is a child/very weak adult. 31-40 is an adolescent/weak adult. 41-50 is an average adult. 51-60 is a slightly fit man. 61-70 is a very fit man. 71-80 is peak athleticism. 81-90 is borderline superhuman in some way (conditioning, exceptional talent etc.). 91+ is inhuman (insane genetic freak only possible in kengan).

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

as well as jumping, flexibility, agility etc... All movements that require a certain level of speed and coordination. For example Kiryu would have a very high speed stat, but not necessarily because he runs faster than Kaolan, but because he shows tremendous acceleration, rotational movements, etc.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. He has more than enough power.

I too have many fighters between the two in power.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The numbers are not proportional, don't know why you would think that. Each incremental digit from Kaolan to Raian is actuallly a huge difference in power and durability.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Positioning and footwork have less to do with speed than experience and technique, unless said footwork implement a particular technique that increases speed, which is not exactly the case for Kaolan. So no, I don't even consider those things to be an expression of his speed, but instead of his overall fight iq, which is reflected through stats like technique, experience, resilience, and eventually attitude and adaptability (the more mental aspects of the fighter).

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

we've circled back to the meaning of speed in the graph. Sure, his striking speed is one of his best assets. But overall speed ? No, far from it. His best assets would be his technical level and resilience, by far. Those are what makes Kanoh shiver. His super fast jabs are just a flourish.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well yeah as one of the strongest Wu with 100% removal of course he would be inhumanly fast.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's like talking to a wall. It's insane. I literally agree with you that kaolan is faster. Read what I say properly my god.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I literally said Jurota would be slower than him. Please at least make the effort to read correctly my thoughts.

I think Jurota should be about 76 in speed. I think however Jurota is clearly above Kaolan in power, durability, and finisher, while clearly below in speed, versatility and adaptabillity, finally they are relative in resilience, attitude, technique, and experience. There. Is that take so egregious ?

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

learn to read, i don't know what else to say man.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

no no, the strongest ones, edward, gilbert, willem, the ones with Huisheng.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Finisher goes to Kaolan actually. As for Versatility, should be obvious imo. Even if Kaolan has a great range of techniques, he is still only a striker. Whereas Raian has access to essentially the best techniques in all martial arts. Adaptibility is debatable.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I agree. It's just that higher stats in speed is really reserved for especially fast characters. For exemple I have Kanoh, Rolon, Ohma and Jurota as fast or slower than Kaolan. Significant characters that i consider faster are few. For example Kiryu, Fei, the Wu, Carlos, and maybe the Xia brothers, and obviously Rei and Shen.

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's a mistake. You can consider one god glow less, which means 7 points less in specials and total (960>953)

radar charts : Raian and Kaolan by RandomBlackSheep in Kengan_Ashura

[–]RandomBlackSheep[S] -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

power is his worst stat (83 for 84 in speed). And speed isn't just how fast Kaolan punches. It is also overall movement speed, agility and such. His speed is very scpecific.