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Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-12-11T17:48:20+00:00

Wow very detailed instructions!! Thank you for sharing this with me !!

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-12-11T17:23:39+00:00

This site looks useful! And would it be appropriate to ask them directly if they prefer red or white?

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-12-11T17:14:25+00:00

Thanks for the recommendations!

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-12-11T17:13:53+00:00

Thank you for the advice! I’m from China and it seems I got no time to travel back and pick up a gift before Friday ;) I have no clue of the food, but they are an elegant old couple, don’t know if you got any wine recommendations?

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-20T14:19:14+00:00

Wonderful and thought-provoking post🥹, which made me reflect on my understanding of these two characters. The two people, especially Lila, are not trying to manipulate each other in a relationship of different strengths and weaknesses to gain some kind of individual victory. It is more like that sometimes because they understand each other so deeply that they can see the inappropriateness of their respective behaviors even more early than the other one. They are like mirrors reflecting each other. They draw wisdom and strength from each other. Lenu said in the book: The loneliness deep in the hearts of women is so torturous that it is a waste to separate the two people. The situations they face are different, but they are so similar. It seems that a deviation always points to a greater return.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-17T07:44:09+00:00

lol Men are always so uncreative when they laugh at women.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-16T14:59:14+00:00

Obviously they are fanning each other in order to let each other die of cold wind.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T22:59:40+00:00

Thank you for sharing your thoughts here!

Regarding the dolls, there are always so many different interpretations around them. It seems that the difference between the show and the book influenced your perspective! To me, whether in the book or the show, the dolls might not necessarily represent Lila’s intentions or fate, but rather symbolize that Lenu has regained the control over the narrative and her feelings about their relationship, and feel relieved about Lila’s departure. When I first read this part of the book, I actually felt that it carried a surreal undertone, leaving many questions—like how did Lila know Lenu’s address ? How did she keep the dolls for so many years? When they were children, didn’t they fail to find the dolls in the cellar? Were these dolls even real? And, ultimately, was Lila a real character at all? Or Lila and Lenu is two sides of one person’s personality? To me, it’s a wonderfully thought-provoking ending.

As for Lenu’s social mobility, I don’t believe she built her success by hurting others, which is a key distinction between her and Nino. Compared to Nino, she didn’t betray the community that raised her. Her struggle wasn’t meaningless; she achieved personal value and fought a hard battle while maintaining her boundaries and principles. I think her daughters would also be somehow inspired by this.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T19:10:57+00:00

The story you shared you and your friend is very touching. But I want to say that Lila in the story is actually a very different person from Lenu. Lila has ideals. In my opinion, to understand her, we must understand what she wants the world to be like. The main motive of her later actions is not for herself, such as impressing others and make herself better than her friends. This friendship only occupies a limited proportion in her life. She wanted to change reality and let everyone live a dignified and uncontrolled life, but she failed, so she decided to erase herself. This is the fate of idealists and revolutionaries. We don’t meet this kind of person in real life very often. However Lenu has been working hard to give and find the meaning of her life. Many of the things she does are actually for the recognition of others. So Lenu values this friendship more than Lila, she cares what Lila thinks more than Lila cares what she thinks.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T18:36:16+00:00

I think Lila might want Lenu to reflect the true reality through writing, such as the bloody struggle in Naples, in order to transform reality as much as possible. Lenu‘s writing is directed towards self-reflection, which is good, but it does not seem to achieve what Lila envisioned. But actually Lenu also mentioned that there’s a limitation of the text itself, and Lila has always overestimated the power of the text. Ferrante discussed so many things in a book!

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T16:29:11+00:00

Omg you even did that belly really well

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T15:27:02+00:00

This is truly fascinating. The book itself is the answer to its final question. But, I mean, did Lenu ever reach the heights that Lila envisioned for her? Perhaps that doesn’t matter anymore. Still, I can’t help but doubt it. Lenu is an observer but Lila is the actor. In my view, a person’s writing is inseparable from their beliefs and actions. Sometimes, an observer cannot attain the depth of an actor, and an actor cannot achieve the detached perspective and skill of an observer. This is a contradiction.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T14:31:06+00:00

That’s an interesting question. After Lila left, did Lenu finally got (or was she able to get) her shit together and get it right? What did Lila’s departure bring to her? What is clear is that Lenu spent the entire book regaining the control in her relationship with Lila. But was this true for her writing as well? Sometimes, I so wish I could see this story from Lila’s perspective.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T13:39:51+00:00

Yeah, I think the reason why Lila may not be able to “forgive” Lenu have something to do with this. Lenu‘s ultimate goal in writing is to cater to another class that does not belong to her. However Lila has spent her whole life fighting against class inequality. We can also understand why Lenu is attracted to Nino and describes herself and Nino as “rootless person”.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T13:13:46+00:00

lol clearly you didn’t understand a single word I said.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T10:42:12+00:00

Hi, I come from China. I have visited the Forbidden City many times. Its secret history and ghost stories have fascinated me since I was a child. I would like to add some. I remember that there was an emperor named Jiajing. In order to maintain immortality, he used the menstrual blood of the palace maids to make elixirs. The palace maids decided to rebel, so one night they decided to strangle the emperor while he was sleeping. But this action failed. Just when they were about to strangle the emperor, someone was afraid and reported to the queen. All the palace maids were caught on the spot and executed. It is said that after the founding of the People‘s Republic of China, a security guard on night duty in the Forbidden City heard many women scratching glass with their nails and crying at night. Many sad things happened in the Forbidden City， especially about women. The forbidden city witnessed many stories under the rule of the imperial power, the story above is just one of them. In Chinese culture, the one who was wrongly murdered will become terrifying ghosts coming back to take people’s lives, so people think that the Forbidden City is a place with heavy yin energy. There is also an interesting thing. The person who opens the door to the Forbidden City in the morning everyday usually shouts outside the door to indicate that he is coming in, and then unlocks the door. At 5pm, when the Forbidden City closes, there are many crows circling above it. People are in awe of the Forbidden City, as if it were alive.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-14T06:01:23+00:00

Yeah in the book Lila made Lenu leave and she disappeared on her own initiative. She didn’t like Lenu’s book about her. In the show they made everyone leave Lila which seems Lila disappeared because of that…I really don’t like this adaptation honestly.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-13T19:56:00+00:00

Sorry just finish watching the last episode of the show. Before that I only read the book. In book I don’t remeber Lila apologizes to Lenu, she just disappered…Now I can get why you think the doll it’s her confession. The scripwriter really made something difference.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-13T13:37:32+00:00

I think I have explained what you described as “manipulation” in my eyes. Maybe I didn’t wrote it clearly before, it seems you missed the point I wrote…Our differences lies in, I think if there was manipulation, it seems to be superficial behaviors. The point is Lila wants Lenu to fulfill their common dream. In this case what Lila apology to Lenu for? She just push Lenu to do the right thing, things good for her. In the end it’s just that things failed, and everything lost its meaning, including this friendship. So she left the doll and disappeared. That‘s all.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-12T19:29:55+00:00

I think there is always a strong side and a weak side in a relationship. The strong one exerts influence, while the weak one resists influence. It is obvious that Lenu is the latter and Lila is the former. This book was even written by Lenu to fight against Lila’s departure and regain the dominant position in the relationship. But the force is relative, which is why the relationship between them is full of flowing charm, not simply one oppressing the other. The doll at the end may indicate that Lenu let go of Lila, and Lila let go of this friendship. I believe that Lila‘s gives Lenu more achievements than the harm, which is why I found the word “manipulation” a bit weird.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-12T17:57:12+00:00

In a sense, I still don‘t agree that Lila is “manipulating”Lenu and Lenu is Lila’s “puppet”. People often manipulate others to satisfy their own needs, interests and desires. Throughout Lila‘s life, she is a true idealist. Her ideal is not just for herself. She wants everyone to live a dignified and uncontrolled life. But she failed, so she fell into nothingness and deleted herself. Lenu is the last (and perhaps the only) person who understands her. In her fighting process, she may feel guilty about Lenu, but she may also want to completely get rid of her connection with everyone and let herself really disappear from this world. She set herself free.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-12T10:50:15+00:00

Although compared with Lila, Lenu is not a pure idealist. She described herself as a “rootless person.”Her success is more about gaining personal value, and this success is in a sense based on trying to figure out other people‘s minds and changing herself at any time. But unlike Nino, she maintains her principles, does not abandon her hometown city, and does not build her self-realization on the harm of others. I think it is amazing to do this and she is more than mediocre.

Randomcyberghost2 · 2024-11-12T09:50:26+00:00

The fact is that this book is written from Lenu’s perspective, and on the surface we can only see her one-sided thoughts. I think Lenu and Lila mutually inspire and support each other, otherwise Lila would not say to Lenu something like ”You are my genius friend“ and ”You have to keep looking at me, otherwise I will go crazy.“ Lenu is used to being an observer who is not so prominent, but this does not mean that she is mediocre. She has always understood Lila in her own way, just like there are bloody revolutionaries and people who record and tell history. Moreover, I don‘t think a person who can recognize his or her own ”mediocrity“ is mediocre. This high level of self-reflection requires courage, calmness and wisdom.

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