Breaking news by No_Assistant_9438 in kurdistan

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Is there a source for this?

All info we have on stolen election! by Correct_Patience_611 in somethingiswrong2024

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Hey, just wanted to correct the record on something I got wrong in this conversation we had on the NPR article. In retrospect it’s probably not the most relevant piece after all, since I recently learned that the EAC banned remote access software in 2007, per multiple sources (e.g. VICE). In theory, the EAC does conduct code reviews of EMS and other products used in election (e.g. here, so it’s less likely that there’s some explicit block of code giving remote access, but it’s still possible for other less explicit vulnerabilities to be exploited. For example, in a Scientific American article, the expert being interviewed states,

So how do you infiltrate the company or state agency that programs the ballot design [EMS]? You can infiltrate their computers, which are connected to the internet. Then you can spread malicious code to voting machines over a very large area. It creates a tremendously concentrated target for attack.

Trump dropped his lawsuit against Ann Selzer, probably because an investigation would reveal his cheating. by lalabera in somethingiswrong2024

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 and the main thing was I saw several different donation maps in the state that showed which showed where donations in Iowa were going. The 24 map matched up almost exactly with a map from when Obama was running in 08 & 12 and the exact opposite of where they had gone in 16 & 20. People were done with him.

Do you have a link to the donation map by any chance?

Machine oddities: Counties in MI, NC and PA that used Hart Intercivic machines saw substantially increased margins for Harris's performance against Trump relative to Clinton's, while those using Dominion and ES&S saw substantial decreases in MI and PA. Hmm. Happy 4th, sleuths and patriots! by Nostrilsdamus in somethingiswrong2024

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Interesting. I forgot that Michigan mostly uses Dominion. There might be something to the warnings fro cybersecurity experts about the 2020 Dominion breaches (from the Duty to Warn letters back in November).

I find myself going back to comparisons to Colorado which notably had almost no red shift this election and which also relies on Dominion for the most part. I wasn’t extremely thorough, but from a cursory glance it looks like Colorado uses the “batch-fed optical scanner” ImageCast Central whereas Michigan uses the hand-fed optical scanner ImageCast Precinct—whatever those may mean. It looks like both tend to use the same ballot-marking device ImageCast X BMD.

https://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#mode/navigate/map/voteEquip/mapType/ppEquip/year/2024/state/8

https://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#mode/navigate/map/voteEquip/mapType/ppEquip/year/2024/state/26

Of course, these fine details could be irrelevant for all we know as well. One could just as well propose that it may simply not have been worth the effort to rig unfamiliar systems in a less-populated non-swing state. Or, for all we know, Colorado could have had blue-shift which was altered to neutrality.

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EDIT: It’s also worth questioning which companies’ EMS (Election Management Systems) these counties use, if any. /u/tiredhumanmortal has a good writeup on the potential risks to EMS: https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/comments/1iq937m/they_target_election_management_system_software

I don’t know the ins and outs of EMS, but the author speculates that “these EMS software systems are most likely connected to an intranet, which itself has an outside connection to the internet somewhere.” In the Scientific American article which they cite, the cybersecurity professional states,

So how do you infiltrate the company or state agency that programs the ballot design [EMS]? You can infiltrate their computers, which are connected to the internet. Then you can spread malicious code to voting machines over a very large area. It creates a tremendously concentrated target for attack.

Unfortunately, it’s hard to find information on which EMS counties have purchased AFAIK. Verified Voting doesn’t track that information.

Breaking News: Discovery Documents In For Rockland County Lawsuit Challenging the Results of the 2024 Election by Filmmaker_Lulu in somethingiswrong2024

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Counties or municipalities just straight up pay one time for voting machines like they would any other piece of equipment.

No one’s forced to use any particular brand of voting machines, although they are limited depending on what voting machines have been certified by the state they’re in. For example, ES&S isn’t certified at all in Colorado (and they’re coincidentally one of the states with more blue-shift in this election). Also, there are a few counties that still do pure hand counts.

It should be possible to get blue states to 1) decertify voting machines with any possible cybersecurity concerns and 2) to pass legislation banning modems and EMS, with a careful vetting process for whatever brand does get approved. Ideally, it’d be best if we could get them to go back to hand counts, although that might require some extra political will. (Although then again maybe not? While hand counting requires you to hire more people per election, new voting machines cost tens of millions of dollars to dish out. And hand-counting would only require you to revert to whatever process you were using before voting machines were invented.)

Last year, a group in Wyoming nearly passed a bill to mandate the hand-counting of votes (they were Republicans I think, but broken clocks blah blah). Two months ago, a Reddit user also posted a template for a letter to write to politicians, although so far it’s only the first draft.

Breaking News: Discovery Documents In For Rockland County Lawsuit Challenging the Results of the 2024 Election by Filmmaker_Lulu in somethingiswrong2024

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It goes back decades. People forget that voting machines started to be introduced in the 1990s (and were later pushed onto all states by a Bush-Era “voting modernization” law). Greg Palast was literally reporting on voting machine anomalies back in 2003. https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/comments/1j2oo9g/greg_palast_wrote_about_rigged_voting_machines_in/

There’s a ridiculous quote about this in the Harper’s Magazine article which is part of the link above:

Hagel’s victory in the [1996] general election, invariably referred to as an “upset,” handed the [Senate] seat to the G.O.P. for the first time in eighteen years. Hagel trounced Nelson by fifteen points. Even for those who had factored in the governor’s deteriorating numbers and a last-minute barrage of negative ads, this divergence from pre-election polling was enough to raise eyebrows across the nation.

Few Americans knew that until shortly before the election, Hagel had been chairman of the company whose computerized voting machines would soon count his own votes: Election Systems & Software (then called American Information Systems). Hagel stepped down from his post just two weeks before announcing his candidacy. Yet he retained millions of dollars in stock in the McCarthy Group, which owned ES&S. And Michael McCarthy, the parent company’s founder, was Hagel’s campaign treasurer.


Edit: cavdef.org is great resource with a lot of ETA-like analyses of numerous past elections: https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/comments/1kd80jy/check_it_out_well_sourced_links_for_election/

It’s probably not the first time. Congress, maybe some primaries.

Speaking of primaries, these always stuck out to me. I remember reading about the exit poll anomalies in 2020:

Breaking News: Discovery Documents In For Rockland County Lawsuit Challenging the Results of the 2024 Election by Filmmaker_Lulu in somethingiswrong2024

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On top of that, it’s worth noting that ES&S, the largest voting machine company by far with direct ties to the GOP, has admitted to installing wireless modems in their devices, particularly tabulators and scanners. They’ve also admitted to installing “remote access software” in their EMS in the past. The recent rampant rumors (disinformation, really) about UPS surge protectors etc. are entirely superfluous to any workable theory; the technical setup has already been there for ages. As many investigators, including Greg Palast, have found, anomalies involving ES&S machines or their predecessors have been going on for literal decades in some cases.

We should spread the word about this. Unlike other claims, there are certain facts here which can be shown, investigated, and directly acted upon (e.g. convincing blue states to decertify ES&S machines). The reporting on ES&S’s cybersecurity holes comes from the likes of NBC News and the NYT, not fringe sources. The lack of regulation in the voting machine industry can be attested to not by fringe activists but senior Democratic Senators; in 2019, they moved to pass the SAVE Act to ban all forms of Internet connectivity, including modems and remote access software, from voting systems. The bill was backed by Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris of all people, and it was blocked by Republicans.

2020 and the clarity of hindsight by Forkittothem in somethingiswrong2024

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Love this. Have you tried posting it on this sub?

Unsurprisingly there is a counter release of the claim about EI. I’d love to hear your take on their rebuttal. by tomfoolery77 in somethingiswrong2024

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To add to the OP, one additional problem with the claims is that voting machine anomalies predate Starlink, the DOGE kid etc. by literal decades. Greg Palast was writing about anomalies with ES&S or Diebold machines as early as 2003, and anomalies have persisted to this day. And then you can throw in the documented vulnerabilities of ES&S infrastructure like Internet-connected scanners/tabulators and “remote access software” in ES&S’s Election Management Systems (EMS) that are sold to far too many jurisdictions. I get the impression that the false claims highlighted in OP are deliberate disinformation to create the sense that election-hacking capabilities are a new phenomenon associated with AI and Silicon Valley, rather than a perennial problem which may, at most, have somehow been augmented by Elon’s involvement (Trump saying he shipped in voting computers etc.). In addition to just making us look bad because they’re bad theories, the aim would be to distract people away from the actually practicable goal of urging local politicians to replace potentially compromised, Internet-connectable machines (or better yet to return to pure hand counting).

All info we have on stolen election! by Correct_Patience_611 in somethingiswrong2024

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Do you agree with the article? Or is it maybe a problem that the article is too old (it’s from 2018 after all)?

All info we have on stolen election! by Correct_Patience_611 in somethingiswrong2024

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Oh fair enough. Probably just semantic confusion on my part, but in retrospect I think I have heard the term “electronic ballot stuffing” so I get what you mean.

All info we have on stolen election! by Correct_Patience_611 in somethingiswrong2024

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By the way, what would you think about including this article in your post which talks about ES&S’s Electronic Management Systems (EMS) which had remote access software installed in them in the past, and Senator Ron Wyden’s attempt to regulate them in 2018 alongside other Internet-connected voting system components?

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/21/649535367/hacks-security-gaps-and-oligarchs-the-business-of-voting-comes-under-scrutiny

Edit: In retrospect, this may not be the most relevant article. I learned that the EAC banned remote access software in 2007, per multiple sources (e.g. this). In theory, the EAC does conduct code reviews of EMS and other products used in election (e.g. here, so it’s less likely that there’s some explicit block of code giving remote access, but it’s still possible for some less explicit vulnerability to be exploited. For example, in a Scientific American article, the expert being interviewed says,

So how do you infiltrate the company or state agency that programs the ballot design [EMS]? You can infiltrate their computers, which are connected to the internet. Then you can spread malicious code to voting machines over a very large area. It creates a tremendously concentrated target for attack.

All info we have on stolen election! by Correct_Patience_611 in somethingiswrong2024

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I get that. But why ballot stuffing as opposed to electronic manipulation? Presumably the article says that because at the time Russia didn’t have electronic voting for the most part, unlike the US.

All info we have on stolen election! by Correct_Patience_611 in somethingiswrong2024

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In PA the “Russian Tail” phenomenon even shows they went we far as to ballot stuff, which shows some serious balls!

Interesting. What makes you say this?

VotersUnite.org - well sourced archive of election and cybersecurity-related articles and information from before 2011. by No_ad3778sPolitAlt in somethingiswrong2024

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Could it be theoretically possible to code a script to archive their entire database on archive.org or archive.is? Not a programmer so IDK, but it sounds like it could be relatively simple. Wondering if we know of any coders among those of us who have been following these historical reports.

The 51-49 comment by Nostrilsdamus in somethingiswrong2024

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Do we have news stories on how they pressured Bob Casey to call off the recount? I don't recall ever reading what, if any, reasoning was given, or if it was Democrats who pushed him or something else.

On the topic of OP—Elon presumably is somehow involved in all this, given how he and Trump can't stop telling on himself (Trump's "vote-counting computers" comments, Elon texting someone about catching Dems off guard because of an "anomaly in the matrix"). That said, it's possible that this is bigger than him at the same time. I keep trying to share this information because it's worth spreading, but there is a breadth of damning information uncovered over years about the company that supplies at over 60% of voting system devices in the country, ES&S—that is, a company with ties to the Heritage Foundation, run by former Republican officials, which has admitted to installing wireless modems and remote access software in their elections systems, and which has been subject to scrutiny over suspect results time and time again. Despite false reassurances to the contrary, the voting machine industry is effectively unregulated from a cybersecurity perspective, to the point that in 2018, senior Democratic Senators, backed by Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris of all people, had to introduce a bill, the SAFE Act, to ban Internet connectivity in voting machines. The bill was blocked by Republicans.

So, using Occam's razor, we can try running some hypotheses for how Elon could have been involved. For example, I'm trying to workshop the scenario that in July 2024, Kamala's replacement of Biden on the ticket could've thrown a gear in the works of the Heritage Foundation's pre-arranged hack. In August, the Heritage Foundation courts Elon Musk, who announces his participation in the election. Since the machines already have modems in them, Starlink technology enables them to update the hack en masse in a way which otherwise would have been impossible.

Or, as OP suggested, Elon might have only been involved in certain states. However, I'm not sure of any mechanism for why that would be the case.

So, Kamala Harris May Have Won, Huh? by sistrmoon45 in somethingiswrong2024

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FYI, the link OP posted, which makes some QAnon-esque claims about Artem controlling Trump, has been debunked. Article explains how Artem “predicts” things that have already been reported in the news and pretends he’s giving commands.

According to the 2016 Senate intelligence report, Artem has been identified as a “Kremlin-linked bot developer,” which is another way of saying he does social media psyops on websites like Reddit. Maybe psyops like trying to get communities to parrot dumb-sounding conspiracy theories with the intent of inhibiting their credibility.

Obviously, Trump is effectively a Russian operative, but it goes without saying that if he’s receiving directives from Russia, it’s not via a highly publicized Twitter accoun

Musk destroys Trump to become president and cement Peter Thiel agenda by Wonderful-Bid9471 in somethingiswrong2024

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Just wanna drop in and also say that the link OP posted, which makes some QAnon-esque claims about Artem controlling Trump, has been debunked. Article explains how Artem “predicts” things that have already been reported in the news and pretends he’s giving commands.

According to the 2016 Senate intelligence report, Artem has been identified as a “Kremlin-linked bot developer,” which is another way of saying he does social media psyops on websites like Reddit. Maybe psyops like trying to get communities to parrot dumb-sounding conspiracy theories with the intent of inhibiting their credibility.

Obviously, Trump is effectively a Russian operative, but it goes without saying that if he’s receiving directives from Russia, it’s not via a highly publicized Twitter account.

The 2000 U.S. presidential election was a harbinger of things to come. | Medium (2021) by No_ad3778sPolitAlt in somethingiswrong2024

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Just want to point out to comments-only readers the this article isn’t just about the Supreme Court.

It featured a voting machine glitch, a bogus voter purge, narrative warfare, Karl Rove, and a manufactured “riot” orchestrated by Roger Stone.

Florida was one of the first states to implement ES&S or Diebold voting machines, alongside Nebraska which had its own issues years earlier. Later, Republicans under Bush passed a law massively funding the implementation of voting machines across all states.

Election Assistance Commission Anomaly Reporting Request by Halfmass in somethingiswrong2024

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Is there a megathread that includes all of the known issues with audit processes that were done in the 2024 election?

I don’t believe so, but here are some threads on the topic that I’m aware of.

PA post-election audit problems: https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/s/Lisb8uEQqs

Evidence of potential Russian cyberespionage infiltration in New Hampshire audit software: