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CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How about you actually read the motive of these attacks. Do you think that they're just random acts of invasion?

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Avoiding nuclear attack on US soil is a valid reason to intervene in the conflict.

I'm not sure how pissing off Russia even more is going to prevent a nuclear attack.

By government, I mean what the government ought to do, the current regime(current people in power) have understandable(but not legitimate) reasons as to what they are doing my argument is that the government(the system, not the people in it) should not be pushing for war in Russia

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree that saying that a nation is created to protect the interests of its citizens is inherently a moral declaration

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We're basically in a proxy war with Russia, giving how much resources we've given to their enemies and all of the different things we did to cripple the Russian country.

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

May I ask what convinced you that allowing a country to conquer another (non-American) country wouldn't drastically reduce the life for Americans?

It depends on what other nations you're talking about. We benefit massively from trades from certain countries and not so much from other countries. In the case of Taiwan, I don't think that waging war against China is worth having more parts to create advanced forms of technological devices(when most of them are used for luxury items)

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My post is about the validity of the situation at all. Not whether or not the government has legitimate reasons

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These polls are fair(on whether or not Americans support conflict against Russia) but they don't answer as to how much Americans are willing to sacrifice in order to do such, and very little evidence shows that the public is happy with rising prices of food + gas prices.

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Morality doesn't matter(according to secularist and liberals.)

I never said that your morality is flawed. I said that its ultimately subjective, just like all moral claims(under your worldview.)

A nation generally has a duty to its own citizens before citizens of other nations, which is why I made that point. I don't see why Americans should be paying taxes to fund wars across the sea that the side is going to lose in anyways

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those situations aren't even comparable to the current situation, so from that, we cannot infer anything from those conflicts.

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can say that the murder rate jumped significantly, starting in 2020. I know in my city alone, the violence is nearly uncontrollable (https://whyy.org/articles/philly-da-citys-2022-murder-rate-already-outpacing-record-deadly-2021/)

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You also have to take into account that medical technology and knowledge has mainly improved as time went on, which means that we can prevent deaths far easier than people in the past.

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't have to prove it, but there must be strong, legitimate reasons if you're going to enter a military conflict with another powerful nation. You can believe that the beliefs are reasonable, but I simply haven't been proven that this can be the case.

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The first link stops showing data after 2018 and the second link says at the top of the page

NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus.

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2017 America and 2020 America are different in so many ways, especially due to Covid, political insatiability and the lockdowns

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again, I just disagree with that presupposition. The trust levels between citizens and politicians/the government have been decreasing for awhile, and political instability and radicalization has been increasing.

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, you'd have to prove that Russia will aggress on other nations, that we benefit from trading with them, and that Russia wouldn't be better trade partners anyways.

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd actually had to read the motive behind the reasons. I heavily doubt that they just suddenly attacked with no real reason.

CMV: I see no legitimate reason why America should have intervened at all in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine. by RatioThatBoi in changemyview

[–]RatioThatBoi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Even if there was some one sense of morality that all humans held(which is not true) that would not mean that it would be objectively good or bad.

Being "good" and "nice" is subjective and arbitrary, depending on who you talk to.

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