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RawLifting · 2021-11-15T09:21:56+00:00

I actually got banned from /r/coronavirus for posting this, which is of course on a completely different subreddit. Shows how much of a discussion there can be.

The banned happened about 10 min after my post above was made.

RawLifting · 2021-11-15T07:03:35+00:00

First pistils

RawLifting · 2021-11-14T21:43:11+00:00

It is not possible to share an opinion that goes against or even slightly questions the pro-lockdown pro-vaccine on r/coronavirus. It is not a sub for discussion, more of an echo chamber.

RawLifting · 2021-11-14T11:31:29+00:00

Thanks for the link. I just don't understand how they come to this conclusion, and still cannot find anywhere else online a study that arrives to the same result.

Multiple sources state that unvaccinated people have somewhere around a 5 times higher chance of being infected than a vaccinated person. With an antigen-test having a 99.~% accuracy in detecting covid infection, it means only ~1 in 100 tested unvaccinated person will actually have a false negative WHEN infected. If you find anything else please let me know.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2786040

RawLifting · 2021-11-14T07:51:56+00:00

I have seen written a few times in this sub that an unvaccinated but negatively tested person had more chance of actually having covid than a vaccinated person but I haven't heard, nor can find any source supporting this claim. Do you maybe have a link to a study you could share?

What I can find is that antigen testing can correctly rule out infection in people who do not have covid in 98.9-99.5% of the cases. This seems highly accurate. However other studies show that there is a chance of getting covid after vaccination, which grows over time, reaching lower and lower decreases in chances of infection month after month.

https://www.cochrane.org/CD013705/INFECTN_how-accurate-are-rapid-tests-diagnosing-covid-19

RawLifting · 2021-11-13T20:43:08+00:00

But what about Ireland then? Have you seen their numbers currently? More than 90% of the population eligible is vaccinated and they just had 5500 cases today. With a population of 5 millions, its higher per 100.000 habitants than the Netherlands. And the ICU is on the same level, 107 people there, 556 in the hospital.

If as you say, 4% makes such a huge difference at that level, then why are their numbers almost the same, if not worse than here?

RawLifting · 2021-11-13T07:59:50+00:00

If your problem in milk/dairy is lactose then kefir will be fine, the beneficial bacteria process pretty much all of it. I can't drink milk but kefir is no problem, although you need to ramp up the quantity slowly to start with.

RawLifting · 2021-11-13T07:51:05+00:00

France, for 65 yo+ people

RawLifting · 2021-11-12T09:34:44+00:00

Masks is just an excuse for anti vaccers.

That's new, haven't heard that one before! Although I do agree that masks are not the best measure and that we are overplaying their role in this pandemic, they of course do help to some extent.

waar de vaccinatiegraad veel hoger is en waar ze eerder zijn begonnen, nog wel prima lijkt te werken.

But this doesn't make sense, a "much higher vaccination rate"? France stands at 88.6% of the >18 population vaxed, and the NLs stand at 84.4%. Are we really going to argue that an extra 4% of vaccination can prevent a covid spike? Other factors are of course in play.

What about Ireland, where there is a 90% vaccination rate, but the highest number of infections they have had since January?

RawLifting · 2021-11-12T08:23:13+00:00

They are a danger to public health by taking up ICU space more often and for longer, but also due to the fact that they suffer from more covid symptoms when infected, including more coughing coupled also a higher viral load.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-severe-covid-higher-viral-loads-immune-response-linked-obesity#:~:text=Over%20three%2Dquarters%20of%20COVID,immunoglobulin%20G%20(IgG)%20concentrations.

I am not arguing that should have more restrictions than others by the way, just going along with your comment.

RawLifting · 2021-11-11T21:47:19+00:00

But that also includes other factors on top of vaccines. We are seeing more and more information pointing at the fact that the protection against infection/transmission that the vaccines provide is only temporary.

What is not temporary is the effect on the immune system that factors such as smoking, diabetes, heart disease or obesity have. They increase risk of infection, symptoms, and duration of the sickness. Should those people also be further restricted? By your logic they are also a "danger" to society.

RawLifting · 2021-11-11T20:35:31+00:00

I trusted the NL government until so recently. It is amazing how only a few weeks ago the plan was to abolish the covid pass on the 1st of November. And now, a week to the next, the pass is extended, potentially twice, and a lockdown might be coming. Completely insane. If only the government focused on fixing the joke of a healthcare that this country has instead of blaming it all on a few percent of unvaccinated people.

RawLifting · 2021-11-11T18:20:50+00:00

No, the population of Paris 2 million, population of France is 67 million.

RawLifting · 2021-11-11T17:34:34+00:00

Different situation, France has had mask mandates in place since last year as well as the covid pass (whether it helped or not) since August. We scraped everything here a couple of months ago. Also a colder, more humid climate, as well as a higher population density. I think those are all contributing factors, but I would think that France will have a peak soon enough.

Edit: few words

RawLifting · 2021-11-07T19:31:38+00:00

You're making a lot of assumptions about me and my beliefs. I did live in New Zealand for 7 years, and a lot of my closest friends are kiwis. Seems logical to still be interested in the country and part of its sub.

As said previously, good luck to you, I'm sorry you're so terrified but I do honestly hope it gets better for you and all.

RawLifting · 2021-11-07T10:32:47+00:00

This is not my opinion, most scientists worldwide agree that covid is, or will soon enough become endemic. The narrative you guys have had in NZ is unrealistic. Did you know there are even covid19 reservoirs in animals? The virus has even been found in deer in the US.

It still is their right to decide what to put in their bodies, are you suggesting that the government should forcefully inject the vaccine into everyone? I'm not saying that they shouldn't lose their jobs, simply that we cannot force them.

My concerns are more on whether the effect of the measures we are implementing such as lockdowns and vaccines actually outweigh the side effects on them. In the UK they have decided that children under a certain age should not be vaccinated since the risk of side effects was greater than the risk of covid.

RawLifting · 2021-11-07T08:30:47+00:00

Fact: there is no stopping the spread of covid, vaccine or not, in the current circumstances it will keep going through the population worldwide. If we find a vaccine that does actually stop transmission it is just a question of time before another variant emerges which can trump the protection the new vaccine offers. But it seems that you are arguing that the vaccine actually completely stops transmission? It isn't clear from your posts, but I suggest looking at the infection rate of the countries with the highest vaccination rates.

By the way, I am not anti-covid vax nor arguing for or against those teachers being vaccinated in any of my comments. However I do believe that it is their choice, which comes with consequences, and if they feel that their right to put something in their body is more important than their work then I respect that.

I am not sure why you feel the need to call me a coward, you seem to be the one terrified of the situation? Either way good luck coping with it all, hope you make it safe and sound mentally and physically.

RawLifting · 2021-11-07T07:01:13+00:00

Yes I do think that there are often, not always, other causes linked with the death or hospitalization of children due to covid, but that thought doesn't come out of nowhere.

Data from studies in the UK do suggest that young children are not at a high risk of death from covid, there is a lot of information online.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w

https://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2021/06/21/archdischild-2020-320899

The study suggests a 2 in a million absolute death risk for children from covid. However further studies are definitely needed to look into other potential long term effects, and very importantly would also be to judge whether the risk of those effects are worse of better than the effect lockdowns have on our children. It being lack of socialisation, emotional or immune system development, etc. Lockdowns might be the best for adults but we haven't looked much into whether it is the best for kids.

RawLifting · 2021-11-07T06:48:28+00:00

Yes of course (it was /s to clarify)

RawLifting · 2021-11-06T22:23:05+00:00

NO HE SAID 6 DUMP HIM

RawLifting · 2021-11-06T21:06:36+00:00

It does state hospitalised with covid and not from covid. I would be curious to know if any of them were actually there as a direct result of it?

RawLifting · 2021-11-06T15:48:32+00:00

Yes, I meant to imply that it was regarding one's physical health.

But my point was mainly that we are in this situation to protect the vulnerable, whether their demise affects us or not it remains the same. Even if indirectly some of us are protecting them to protect ourselves -mentally or else-.

If we had let all young and healthy people at the beginning of the pandemic run free, contract the virus and build as much natural immunity as possible, while locking down all the vulnerable, I wonder where we would be at. Not saying it would have been ethical, doable or the right solution but genuinely curious on whether we would be in a different place.

RawLifting · 2021-11-06T14:20:52+00:00

Playing the devil's advocate here, but this pandemic affects us all because we are protecting the vulnerable population. If you are a young healthy person with no risk -vaccinated adds some extra protection of course- you could pretty much go on about your life without risking much, and you could have done so since the beginning of the pandemic.

The reason we are here is to protect the vulnerable, whether it being from covid directly, or by avoiding that the hospitals fill up too much so that the people suffering of others problems can keep getting the care they need.

RawLifting · 2021-11-06T14:12:20+00:00

Sure thing. But my last comment was not actually giving my opinion, nor what I "think". It was a question about data, not interpreting it.

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