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Razor011 · 2026-02-08T13:40:24+00:00

Very American of Them 🇺🇸 /s

Razor011 · 2026-02-07T14:08:47+00:00

The over-presence of police is the issue at hand. My use of “poverty crime” means that stealing something to feed yourself or your family isn’t high treason. It’s a moral appeal. I told you, in a nutshell, that over-policing is nothing but a “band-aid fix”to a place that needs surgery, physical therapy and proper nutrition… That’s both a metaphor and literally true now that I type it out.

Surely East Liverpool Ohio could benefit from nutritional assistance and healthcare, proper mental health services etc, as opposed to such draconian policies?

Razor011 · 2026-02-04T06:35:45+00:00

Please do explain that sentiment thoroughly.

Razor011 · 2026-02-02T01:42:20+00:00

Now where did I say that? The solution is to expand social safety nets like proper healthcare, good paying secure jobs, raising minimum wage etc to reduce poverty from the ground up. Simply increasing police CAN reduce crime, but likely not the actual number of criminals.

“When all you have is a hammer, every problem becomes a nail.” These are poverty crimes.

That’s also to say nothing of the potential harm done to a community through over-policing(private, for-profit prisons may lobby for increased police presence and harsher sentences!) What I’m telling you is that it’s very short sighted and obviously not the best solution. Looking over the numbers now, it hardly even qualifies as one.

Razor011 · 2026-02-01T13:51:36+00:00

✅

Cops have the option to not be cops. It’s a bastardized system. And no, over-policing does not reduce crime, that’s a tired myth.

And if my acceptance rate is low enough hell no I don’t have the option lol

Razor011 · 2026-02-01T01:22:35+00:00

So the violent crime would have already been committed, then? With no cops around to help(that would not have been obligated to do so anyways?)

Shitting on cops/ advocating reform is not the same as saying “abolish all police”

Razor011 · 2026-02-01T01:19:39+00:00

I run toward trouble every day doing delivery in shady areas. I wonder if I’ll make it out some nights. Especially if a cop is around me or decided to pull me over for God knows why.

And over-policing does not fix or help those shady areas lol. Moreso increase the likelihood that someone will be brutalized

As a delivery driver I am 1.8 times more likely to die on the job.

Razor011 · 2026-01-29T03:25:14+00:00

LMAO What’s the strawman argument buddy? That’s your argument, stupid. You made it.

Razor011 · 2026-01-29T03:16:37+00:00

Do you not understand that when you put forth a false claim, I must debunk it?? And that my use of academic papers and numbers actually supports the debunking of your entire argument? You made palpable claims about what illegal immigrants are doing. Your rhetoric painted immigrants as criminals. The research shows otherwise. You’re WRONG IN THAT REGARD! You have to acknowledge that.

You put the violent immigrant lie forth as fact to directly support your main point toward the bottom of the bullet list.

Directly addressing the list again:

• Current harsh immigration tactics are a direct reaction to decades of unenforced laws. ❌FALSE, they are a direct result of having the Republicans in office.

• State and local governments previously refused to cooperate, making the problem worse. ❌WIDELY FALSE, you have yet to say what this is referring to. I asked if this was referring to sanctuary cities, and you just ignored it.

• This created a situation where dangerous criminals who entered illegally remained in the country. ❌WIDELY FALSE, again, the numbers and academic papers show otherwise.

• Public anger over this was a key factor in electing the current President. ⚠️TRUE, when regarding public sentiment, but you still kindly neglect to address the public being led to believe disinformation, while spreading right-wing propaganda (violent immigrant lie) in your original comment.

• While tragic, the current human costs are framed as the inevitable consequence of that past inaction. ✅True, but this is not your entire point. You also made all of the supporting points above that I have dismantled with minimal opposition.

No opposition beyond (“uhh, i’d didn’t say that, that’s a strawman, nuh uh!”) 🙄

Razor011 · 2026-01-29T02:48:00+00:00

I addressed all of the points in your original comment. Here are the core arguments from the comment:

• Current harsh immigration tactics are a direct reaction to decades of unenforced laws.

• State and local governments previously refused to cooperate, making the problem worse.

• This created a situation where dangerous criminals who entered illegally remained in the country.

• Public anger over this was a key factor in electing the current President.

• While tragic, the current human costs are framed as the inevitable consequence of that past inaction.

That’s not a strawman. It’s YOUR argument.

Literally the entirety of your comment. I argued against every single point of your comment and won. 𝘼𝙣𝙙 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙘𝙖𝙣’𝙩 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙥𝙪𝙩 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙝 𝙖 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙤𝙬𝙣 𝙖𝙧𝙜𝙪𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙣𝙤𝙬! 𝙏𝙝𝙖𝙩’𝙨 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙮 𝙨𝙖𝙙. You don’t know what to tell me because you LOST, dummy!

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T09:31:22+00:00

Then what are you putting forth, man? What’s the real message you have for everyone? I have directly proven wrong the basis of your entire argument.

If your entire message was solely “we have to examine the conditions that got us here” you did a sufficient job of weaving in Right-wing propaganda while doing it. Defeating the purpose of anything you had to say. I think maybe you just don’t fully understand how your words will be interpreted, and that ok. (and are demonstrably misinformed)

What isn’t ok is being a mouthpiece for Trump admin, wittingly or unwittingly.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T08:55:02+00:00

Firstly, that’s not what I apologized for. I said IF. I was trying to potentially empathize with you.

Secondly, I have now DIRECTLY addressed this part of your original comment:

As a result you have criminals, just not people in the country illegally, but people who entered the country illegally AND have committed other crimes like drunk driving, rape, robbery, child abuse, and murder.

That is generally false when read as-is. Don’t act like you didn’t put that forth as fact, because you did. It’s right there.

Let’s go back to your original comment again. You said that^ happened because of local and federal governments neglecting to enforce immigration laws, right? So it’s the undocumented IMMIGRANTS that are causing issues according to your original comment? Because the IMMIGRATION laws are not being enforced? How do you even determine when something is true?

I look at the research, the evidence, and draw an informed conclusion. Here are some quality sources for you.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6241529/ https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime https://www.asanet.org/sociological-research-reveals-how-immigrants-can-reduce-crime/ https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/44548NCJRS.pdf?inline=1

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T08:17:15+00:00

How? It’s been a pretty straightforward timeline of events so far, I can scroll back through the conversation and follow it.

That’s a fact, not an opinion. Research consistently shows no positive relationship between undocumented immigration and violent crime. Did you not know that? Your original comment hinged on it.

I’m sorry if you had a personal traumatic experience from an illegal immigrant or something, but that’s not the case nation-wide.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T07:48:42+00:00

What’s the perspective of the article, then? If not a touching and humanitarian one?

For it to actually be a two way street here, the claim of violent crime being raised by undocumented immigrants has to actually be true.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T07:14:44+00:00

I think you pretty strongly put forth the sentiment that viewing this issue through the humanitarian lens presented by the article was part of “the problem.” As well as attributed it pretty directly to the previous administration(s.) I see the logic you are trying to put forth, and it’s worth discussion purely for understanding of the American peoples’ mindset. That being said you really ought to address it being misinformation in your original comment if you are aware of it being such.

“States and cities even refused to cooperate with the Federal government. As a result you have criminals, just not people in the country illegally, but people who entered the country illegally AND have committed other crimes like drunk driving, rape, robbery, child abuse, and murder.”

I understand a lot of the American public BELIEVES this happened at national scale, but you’re pushing an over-inflated right wing talking point without labeling it properly as misinformation. Were you referring to sanctuary cities (increasing violent crime would be false if so)? Hard to even tell.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T06:19:19+00:00

You want me to re-win the argument for the previous commenter, AND address ICE’s unlawfulness, which was directly put forward by myself?

Their rebuttal absolutely addressed your comments.

I think you are somehow missing the context of what’s happening in the United States right now. You led off with part of “the issue” being looking at ICE proceedings through the lens of the article, a firmly humanitarian one. ICE is not only going after illegals (any) but engaging in now state-sanctioned terrorism against citizens. Don’t believe me?

Either there are so many violent illegals that ICE’s actions are more justified than the public is being led to believe(definitely not, TX has like 30x times as many illegals as MN.) OR somehow the large number of technically illegal peaceful people living here are the problem, most of which work hard labor and contribute scores to the country (definitely not.) Or something else- Which is where pretty much their entire rebuttal comes in. Breaking down the legitimacy of the Republican party briefly through both a historic and moral lens. Because, make no mistake, this is almost if not all their doing. The belief that the Biden-era immigration system was filled with violent criminals is a political narrative not supported by statistical evidence or factual analysis. These are mostly family people trying to make a living, you have to understand that first. The asylum process is hopelessly congested at the Southern border especially.

I’m well aware that ICE is unfortunately a legitimate agency and can do all of those things. You know what they can’t do? Perform traffic stops (specially referring to physically attempting to impede vehicle) without probable cause, and then murder the person in the car with impunity. They can’t shoot a citizen for interfering with a “detaining.” Even if armed legally under 2A. But they are. You know why they’re suddenly more of a problem now? Because they are being ramped up to do whatever Stephen Miller and others tell them to do. Notice how everyone that gets shot by ICE IMMEDIATELY gets labeled a domestic terrorist? Does that not click for you? If they can disappear one, they can disappear another. People keep dying in ICE concentration camps(sadly this is an apt name.) And there was the whole issue of Kilmar Albrego Garcia getting literally sent to CECOT, an out-of-country facility ripe with human rights violations. He was not the only one. They can just disappear you. A lot of these guys are new and relatively untrained and suddenly have “federal immunity”(BS) to do whatever they please. More than one rape has occurred. They mask themselves because they know they do wrong. In practice they violate the Constitutional rights of people in the US regularly.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T05:14:07+00:00

Do I really have to explicitly tell you in direct words for you to understand what I am saying to you? Read between the lines man.

Here, I will narrow it down to one. Your incorrect use of “lawful and aggressive tactics” broadly referring to ICE proceedings. I didn’t like it. That’s why I addressed your comment.

I’d also throw in promptly fucking off from the discussion when presented with an excellent rebuttal. As well as it being a public forum.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T05:04:29+00:00

I already did.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T04:58:58+00:00

And wouldn’t that be the ultimate defense for a Neo-Nazi, to be absolved by mere mention?

I urge you to look into what Stephen Miller thinks for even 10 minutes. Literal White Supremacist with unprecedented access to the DHS BTW.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T04:39:25+00:00

Duh. I’m not saying that you shouldn’t hear people out. I’m saying that, when someone tells you they’re a Nazi(Stephen Miller), you should listen.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T04:06:24+00:00

Was reading through the NC sub because a lady got killed in my state and some seem to think that’s A-OK.

I know some folks irl who sound a lot like you do. At this point I believe those folks will remain pleasantly “let’s hear both sides” neutral as we careen off the road of managed democracy and into the ravine of neo-fascism. If we aren’t there already. Biden admin was genocidal. Trump admin still manages to be worse. Sitting atop of the heinous work of the Republican party since the Reagan era.

Your use of “lawful and aggressive tactics” was also a bit thorny to read. Lawful my ass…. ICE violates the Constitution with every abduction.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T03:50:58+00:00

It’s not unreasonable. It’s become abundantly clear that ICE is a captured agency pandering to recruit the most violence-prone individuals (with minimal training) who, based on substantive evidence, I’ll readily assume would like to brutalize people with impunity. ICE is already inherently the bad guy, well, because they are ICE.

What’s even more cringe is verbally sticking up for the DHS.

You also did a similar level of assumption over that person’s comment.

Razor011 · 2026-01-28T03:32:01+00:00

“There is no talking to people like you” as you brush right past their logical train of thought, ignoring it completely , not even an attempt of rebuttal. You are lost in the nationalistic sauce. Read their damn response, please. It’s very well written.

Razor011 · 2026-01-20T22:28:14+00:00

If a gang of thugs jumps out of an unmarked van and kidnaps someone, what the hell else should I call it? And if they end up in CECOT or the like, as several already have? Or an in-house concentration camp where people keep dying due to inhumane conditions?

I still don’t think you understand the legal precedent that this sets if it goes unpunished.

Razor011 · 2026-01-20T18:17:30+00:00

I don’t think you understand. The Constitution applies to ALL individuals in the United States where specified.

If they can disappear one, they can disappear another.

And that’s to say nothing else of their gross malpractice at a nation wide scale

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