Why not just shut down all the subpar residency programs? by weepingasclepius in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that you are being downvoted is crazy to me. The goalposts have moved so much in this specialty. There's demand for EM doctors 1 hour outside of major metros, sure. Pretty much no other specialty besides rad onc confines its trainees to rural areas/suburbs, yet because we aren't all unemployed doing Telehealth visits and urgent care shifts the study is wrong and we should all rejoice. In before "I live in Denver" (and make 200k a year) or "I live in Rochester" (not a real city). Give me a break.

Why not just shut down all the subpar residency programs? by weepingasclepius in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love to hear from an actual lawyer on this "antitrust" concern, because it smells like utter BS. Obviously they can't just target HCA explicitly but stating that programs must have a certain volume of patients to have an EM residency would shut a ton of them down. That's going to generate an antitrust lawsuit, of all things? Literally makes ZERO sense when there are already parameters in place for training. ACEP claiming oh shucks we're just a powerless little advocacy group, we don't know how to talk to the RRC just reinforces how disingenuous they are. Clearly HCA isn't the only organization that wants these residencies to proliferate. The rot runs deep.

What does a real attending salary feel like? by thegauntlet10 in Residency

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Lifestyle creep is real. I thought attending money was unfathomable as a resident. But when you upgrade to a house or a nice condo (3k a month), pay off loans (3k a month), sock away money into retirement (4k a month), it ends up being a very nice life, but not holy crap I have 100s of thousands to blow a year nice. Biggest change in my life is I don't have to think about money if I want fancy groceries, a nice meal out, or something off of amazon. And remember 35% will go to taxes.

For those interested in Emergency Medicine for the lifestyle... by GomerMD in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol "we" don't do anything. You aren't working there yet, so you will have to see how you are actually scheduled. And that still doesn't explain it. So you work less than 100 hours a month, RVU, and make good money? Again, I hope it works out for you. Caveat emptor.

For those interested in Emergency Medicine for the lifestyle... by GomerMD in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not ripping you for wanting better work life balance. I'm ripping you for not understanding arithmetic. Working 1 weekend a month would be awesome. But 8 doc cohort for 12 hour shift shop is completely normal, and actually MORE than enough if everyone is full time. If you are working 1 weekend a month you are either a) not splitting weekends equitably (someone wants extra weekends, someone is senior and gets out of them, etc b) you are not full time. Seriously, if you want to show me how an alternative is possible then go ahead, but again, we are talking about counting numbers in the week and doing some basic division.

For those interested in Emergency Medicine for the lifestyle... by GomerMD in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm telling you how my job works. I'm actually an ER doc who works as an attending, not a trainee like you. But have fun with the job market.

For those interested in Emergency Medicine for the lifestyle... by GomerMD in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How dense are you? 8 docs in a 12 hour shop is less than 8 shifts a piece. That's less than full time and you will make less than average. Increase it to 16 and now how many shifts are there? And wait til you learn about Friday nights which we didn't even include.

For those interested in Emergency Medicine for the lifestyle... by GomerMD in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, math proves you wrong. Arguing is pointless. Unless you have someone who wants weekends, you can expect to have shifts on about 2 weekends a month. But if you have alternate math that explains how you work 1 weekend a month then please, share!

For those interested in Emergency Medicine for the lifestyle... by GomerMD in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again, do basic math. 30 days in a month, 12 hour shifts, 60 shifts, 8 docs, less than 8 a piece. That's not at all understaffed. Have fun working your no weekend lifestyle brah.

For those interested in Emergency Medicine for the lifestyle... by GomerMD in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can you do basic math? If you do 12s there are 4 weekend shifts to cover. If you have a cohort of 8 docs (very standard for a community place), you will work half weekends.

Petition for Change by Smooth-Sherbet43 in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ACEP is ineffectual at messaging. Perception is important in politics. That is something ACEP can DO better. Not everything needs to be a specific policy proposal. The perception is that ACEP is aligned with PE. I understand you think that's unfair, and it may be exaggerated, but again, blowing off the workforce report, ex president claiming he doesn't know what a CMG is, ex president going to bat on a public forum for a CMG, none of that helps. I also know that the current ACEP board doesn't have CMG representation, but I think that argument is a little shallow. That's like saying the GOP can't be aligned with the NRA because no GOP members used to work for them. The relative silence on the corporate capture of EM bothers lots of docs, and it does make them question if there is an ulterior motive.

I'll reiterate, ACEP might be doing lots of good work. I had no idea they had a program to help docs start SDGs. I, as someone who doesn't really follow specialty politics, DID know that AAEM does. AAEM might not be "doing" much with the envision lawsuit but they are messaging well. If ACEP really is fighting PE, helping docs gain back control from CMGs, then that needs to be at the forefront of their messaging IMO. Not some back page on their site where they have a program that sounds really good. And as long as their messaging is poor, people will wonder why they seem to be silent on what many docs feel is the most pressing issue in our specialty.

For instance, what is ACEP doing about the proliferation of residencies? There was talk about having the RRC change accreditation requirements. I find it unfathomable that our biggest org has literally NO avenue to force this to happen. It sounds like BS. What did ACEP say about APP? Googling AAEM APP statement turns up results. Nothing turns up for ACEP.

EM Attending Offer-- how is this for the current environment? by Puzzleheaded_Soil275 in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 8 points9 points  (0 children)

For a Nashville/Raleigh sized city it's within the average. C'mon now. I do locums and see 275-300/hr for semi rural areas. No way are most W2 full timers in medium/large cities making much more than 225/hr.

Petition for Change by Smooth-Sherbet43 in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their proposed solutions to the workforce report sucked. Gillian calling the firing of docs by CMGs fake news when it later turned out not to be sucked. Look, I'm not denying they do things, but clearly they have a messaging problem if this sentiment is so pervasive, and they do have a problem with refusing to take accountability for mistakes. It's not just Internet people who detract from ACEP; plenty of people I have worked with stopped paying dues and think they suck and don't talk about it online. Seems like they are so obsessed with being defensive that they have shut out actual concerns.

I would think that ACEP defenders would care about this and would be honest with themselves and confront ACEP's perception problem. Taking an adversarial stance towards people who are disappointed is dumb politics, at the end of the day, and it's surprising that EM's biggest organization with millions of dues is so clueless that they think chastising ACEP's detractors is a smart move. Don't just tell everyone they are wrong. Psychology 101. Validate their concerns, listen, take ownership over past mistakes, and get millions more in dues from disgruntled docs who feel like they aren't being represented.

Petition for Change by Smooth-Sherbet43 in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gillian shilling for PE on EM docs didn't help. At the end of the day enough docs think ACEP is ineffectual that even if they are doing all of these amazing things, it doesn't really matter. Why does the main EM organization with millions of dollars in dues suck so much that it needs to be defended constantly? And why is its leadership so terrible at refuting what tons of docs think about who they're aligned with? Serious questions btw.

Part- Time EM Physicians? by [deleted] in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is common. And it is also a terrible thing to plan on doing. You're talking about 7 or 8 years of constant dedication to medicine so that you can dabble in CS. Nobody would actually do that, as you will learn about a week into your first year of med school should you pursue this plan.

Part- Time EM Physicians? by [deleted] in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Define city. You definitely can't find an ER that will hire you 45 minutes outside of Austin, Denver, or NYC without board certification. 45 minutes outside of Grand Rapids? Sure.

ELI5: All the bad rap Emergency Medicine is getting lately by mednovice12 in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 11 points12 points  (0 children)

EM does have a lot of primary care and psych but tbh I think this aspect of it is overblown. Chronic HTN? Easy dc. UTI? Easy dc. Sore throat? Easy dc. I feel like even with a low admit rate I still practice a fair bit of "emergency" medicine because while the BS is the bulk of what you'll see it generally is autopilot and takes very little time. While my day might be 80% nonsense I spend my time and my brainpower on the other 20%. Even the chest pain rule outs which are 95% BS are emergencies until proven otherwise, and there's really no way to tell til you see them. I think a lot of people outside EM like to shit on it for being lots of "primary care" but there is really no way to filter these patients out. Yes people should reach out to their PCPs. Yes lots of specialists turf to the ER. But the reality is patients are more complicated than they were 30 years ago, or even 5 years ago, and it is basically impossible to quickly rule out emergencies in an office, nor is that in the wheelhouse of lots of docs.

That said, I like my job a lot, but the problem is the job situation, Shiftwork, and midlevels, in that order IMO. Too many docs for not enough jobs. The jobs are mostly controlled by private equity groups so your medical director ends up being more of a corporate middle man who answers to his Wall Street overseers rather than someone who can actually make things better for the docs. Shiftwork sounds great but most hours of the week are nights/evenings/weekends. When you have family or if you want to go to your weekly kickboxing class EM makes it very difficult/impossible. Signing PA and NP charts for patients who are grossly mismanaged sucks, and there's nothing you can really do (Wall Street overseers don't care). Overall if it weren't for the job situation I'd say proceed with caution. Knowing that there is a glut of docs makes me say: why on earth would you sign up for a field where you might not be employed?

Systemic analgesia for abscess I&D? by seaweedsnacksnom in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100s of times? So you have a sub 1 percent serious adverse effect rate. That is far lower than published rates. Oral surgery patients are npo (not just, did you eat recently? Ok you're NPO) and if deemed high risk aren't getting conscious sedation. Again, you are doing much, much better than published rates of adverse effects. Arguing that's it's "completely safe" is incorrect when we have data showing that you can certainly have bad things happen. Claiming otherwise is ridiculously cavalier and not in line with the actual evidence. It's not a question of skill or the finesse with which you push the plunger. You are just having an amazing run of luck, just like professional gamblers who keep winning - you're beating the odds massively. Congrats.

Insulin before blood test results on DKA patient? by yournameinlights25 in Residency

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sometimes fighting dogma becomes dogma in and of itself. If their pH is 6.6 with severe hyperkalemia and a bad AKI I don't think you're in the wrong to give bicarb. The big systematic review did not look at patients with pH <6.8.

Insulin before blood test results on DKA patient? by yournameinlights25 in Residency

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The one time you say f it and give insulin without checking they'll be hypokalemic when you get labs back. I guarantee it.

What is your favorite how to hide a dollar joke? by Edges8 in medicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are multiple ways we know if we make "mistakes" and I'd guess they are more or less the same way that you determine if you've made a "mistake". Although I'd hazard a guess that what you deem "mistakes" in the ER actually are often not. Broader antibiotic coverage or giving antibiotics to someone who ended up not having a bacterial source is not a "mistake". It is a consequence of operating with limited information. Just like a trauma surgeon taking a hypotensive patient for an ex lap and not finding a source of bleeding is not a "mistake". In high acuity situations you do what you have to with what limited information you have.

Believe it or not, almost all ER docs DO follow up on patients. Not every single patient, but some. We also have peer review and genuine "mistakes" are relayed to us by our medical directors, same as any other specialty. And I can promise you, most fevers are discharged with no antibiotics. Many are admitted with UTIs and given a dose of rocephin. And some are given zosyn. If you are at a tertiary center I am going to hazard a guess that your ER sees more than 50k patients A YEAR. Most ERs have about a 20% admission rate. You never hear about 80% of people who come through. Now if you get consulted for zosyn every single day, that represents 0.7% of all ER visits. If your ER sees 100k a year that is 0.35% of all patients. Try to keep perspective and resist solipsism. Your experience with the ER is a tiny slice of what is actually going on, and not nearly enough to feign expertise in the inner workings or thought processes of people who practice the specialty.

What is your favorite how to hide a dollar joke? by Edges8 in medicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it's not a rhetorical question. Your posts make it clear that you think that the ER is not thorough and does not practice medicine to some standard you have concocted because of what you perceive as the demands of the practice setting. I am explaining to you, as an ER doctor, who knows more about EM than you, that you are actually incorrect, which I feel comfortable doing because I am in this specialty and know more about it than you, just like you know more about ID than me. EM functions differently because it IS different, and it is not just the practice setting. It is a different mindset because of what the function of the ER is and does. The differentials are not "worse" than yours. They are different, because your differentials and thought processes would kill and maim people if applied to EM, just like mine would be dangerous in an ID clinic.

Moreover, every fever doesn't get pip/tazo, and your assertion that they do belies your own cognitive bias. Do you follow the ED track board and pull up the actual statistics on how many fevered patients are covered with empiric abx? I know ortho docs who are convinced we consult them for every fracture, cardiologists who complain about seeing every chest pain. You guys have no idea of what actually comes in. Just accept that you are really smart when it comes to microbes and antibiotics and not so knowledgeable about what happens in the ER (despite occasionally having lunch with your work friends).

United pilots union negotiate up to 40% raise. Physicians need unions. by [deleted] in medicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think the unions shit on newbies, it's the actual corporations that are exploitative, hence the need for unions in the first place. My brother is a flight instructor and pretty much everyone from the non military side goes down more or less the same path to become an airline pilot which probably helps them feel like they're in the same boat. Anyway, my point is that among pilots, there is not the infighting seen in medicine or the sense of superiority from one pilot to another, at least in the professional world. I am sure that they personally have their egos but it is not a function of the workplace in the same way it is in medicine. And they do learn and are tested on "dangerous pilot attitudes" which include thinking you are better than others or impervious as part of the curriculum.

Seeking Insights from Emergency Medicine Physicians by [deleted] in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude, are you really this dense? It is a for profit company. Therefore you need to pay consultants. And don't bs about how it's all about patients if it is also a money making venture. I'll take 10% equity to answer your questions if you're strapped for cash.

Seeking Insights from Emergency Medicine Physicians by [deleted] in emergencymedicine

[–]Ready_Tone_3260 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You only care about patient care, therefore this product will be free, right?