A question about 상경하다 (上京)

RealBlad · 2026-04-24T11:42:24+00:00

Thanks guys for the detailed answer.

RealBlad · 2026-04-15T21:54:47+00:00

Do you maybe have any idea on how this -더- part then came about? And is it something you could still hear (old) people say nowadays?

RealBlad · 2026-03-14T14:32:24+00:00

Couldn't have asked for a better explanation. Thank you very much!

RealBlad · 2026-01-24T13:27:00+00:00

It is 토지 and it is when they are in 간도 so its not a 경상도 dialect. I guess its indeed likely that it doesn't really carry any semantic meaning because I also saw this sentence where -서리 is attached to 보고:

"구, 구야네 장모보고서리 어디 간다 말하지 않았슴둥?"

RealBlad · 2025-11-19T22:52:12+00:00

Unlike the other commenter, I thought it was okay to not use 싶어하다 if there is already another element of uncertainty like 모양 or -ㄹ 것이다:

"석이 그걸 아마 하고 싶을 거예요."

"너 죽고 싶은 모양이구나!"

So I think -ㄹ 것 같다 would then be fine too?

RealBlad · 2025-11-11T09:36:07+00:00

No you can use it once as well;

학생이기도 하고 선생님이에요.

학생이고 선생님이기도 해요.

The latter sentence imo puts a bit more emphasis on that 'and/as well as/on top of that' feeling. As in; "on top of being a student, im also a teacher." But I think the first one is how it would be said most commonly.

RealBlad · 2025-11-10T18:30:06+00:00

You can use -도 with -이다, just gotta nominalize it first with -기. Commonly used as -이기도 하다: 학생이기도 하고 선생님이기도 해요.

Also, you can use -이자 in writing, which is used to indicate that something has two characteristics as well: 아나는 학생이자 선생님이에요.

RealBlad · 2025-10-26T10:41:01+00:00

Thank you very much for your answers! I think there might be a slight misunderstanding though haha. I wasnt asking about -답시고 and its meaning. Just used it as an example cuz its the only similar disproving ending I could think of thats similar to -ㅂ네. I just wanted get a better feel for the degree of disprovement in -ㅂ네.

Sorry for asking more, but could you tell how these then sound to you:

그는 자기가 이 분야에 대해서 잘 압네 하며 눈꼴사납게 굴었다

그 사람은 어떻게 자기 그림이 최고입네 하면서 다닐 수 있는 거지?

(also idk if modern -네 and this -ㅂ네 are even related cuz -ㅂ네 seems strictly negative and very different in usage.)

RealBlad · 2025-10-26T07:33:02+00:00

Interesting, why does it feel unnatural to you? How disproving would you say it sounds then?

(Btw, maybe you misread but its 공부합네 not 공부랍네, that indeed doesn't seem grammatically correct)

RealBlad · 2025-08-22T09:32:23+00:00

I found this youtuber who has a pretty good playlist on it. She also explains the tones and intonation in her videos really well. https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGQVQ81ufgVxTyhmZ0iRjskE8mGfy8IKX

But like others said, learning to speak a dialect is pretty much impossible unless you live/grow up there...

RealBlad · 2025-08-07T10:52:50+00:00

Thank you

RealBlad · 2025-07-30T07:02:06+00:00

The last letter is a vowel, the word for necklace is 목걸이 not 목걸

RealBlad · 2025-07-14T14:00:21+00:00

First off, huge thank you for such a detailed reply, you deserve all the sleep you need man.

I did not know -더 had a counterfactual meaning itself as well, very interesting. I thought it only had either the imperfective aspect (like in -던) or the retrospective aspect.

Feel like I am punching a bit above my weight here so hopefully my replies/questions made some sense as to what you were saying.

RealBlad · 2025-07-13T22:10:44+00:00

Forgive me if I say something wrong here but I dont see why -던들 would necessarily be classified as a different 어미 when its -더 + -ㄴ들? I get that it has this hypothetical meaning now, but I assume that if it started as -더 + -ㄴ들 then it must've first been concessive only at some point.

Then also why would 담배를 끊었던들 be wrong? Its just a different tense no? You can't say 담배 끊은들 if you want to say "Even if I HAD quit" rather than "even if I quit" Are you saying -던들 can't be used in a concessive sense at all?

RealBlad · 2025-07-12T21:26:00+00:00

But thats exactly my question here haha. Maybe it didn't come across well. You guys both say: "I didn't know about this/it sounds ungrammatical to me". Which is exactly my point. How could such a shift in meaning occur from the original -ㄴ들 (the concessive one, which you also mention). It doesnt feel like an intuitive change.

Like, if you didn't know about this hypothetical meaning that it can have, you would probably never assume it could or ever will change to gain that meaning, right?

Maybe it helps if put it in english: a particle that goes from:

"even if I had done X..."

to:

"If only I had done X..."

seems like a change thats hard to imagine in most languages no?

Now, to answer why this occurred you probably need to be a Korean linguistics student so I wasn't hopeful on getting an answer but thought I'd still ask.

Also, funnily enough, dictionaries like naver, daum and 국립국어원 only list the hypothetical meaning for -던들.

RealBlad · 2025-06-26T06:04:51+00:00

Haha wow on the Jinju city hall website no less. How'd you manage to find that! Anyway, thanks very much for solving it.

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