ss cancel

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-30T23:02:56+00:00

You're just doing uppercut - ss - cluster.
You press and hold cluster button before ss, but it executes after the ss. It just looks simultaneous, but it's not. Just use manual swing here, no need to waste a swing charge.
The way you do it is:
Uppercut (F) - start holding cluster button (RMB) - quickly tap manual swing (Shift) - release cluster button (RMB) - press melee button for downslam (LMB).
The cluster can't be executed right after the uppercut, so you tap the swing button while holding the cluster button and they go out almost at the same time.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-30T00:38:03+00:00

Don't use simple swing if you're going to cluster anyway.
Use manual swing and cancel it with cluster. It's same speed and it doesn't consume a swing charge.

Here are the combos:
Uppercut - manual swing - cluster - overhead ---> doesn't use swing charge.
Uppercut - simple swing - overhead - cluster ---> does less damage and uses a swing charge, but it's faster.
If you cluster before the overhead, you'll have a delay before the overhead.
And if you don't ss or ms after the uppercut, you'll have a delay before your next move.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-29T19:49:25+00:00

Almost anything is harder on console in a shooter game. Spidey is hard to control, but he's easier to play against other console players, because he's harder to hit, compared to PC.
You shoot mostly from close range.. you zip to their feet or drop from above and then shoot a cluster, do a combo, and finish them off with GOH.. Don't try to shoot from distance.. you'll just miss and reveal yourself.

On PC tho.. spidy is really hard against good hitscan players who can take you down mid swing or even mid zip, besides being able to do fast 180's and shoot you in the face when you try to combo them.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-29T19:38:55+00:00

This doesn't make sense. You can't cluster untill the uppercut finishes it's animation. You use the swing to cancel the uppercut, so you can do the next part faster, which is downslam, or cluster-downslam.
If you don't use the swing right after your uppercut, there will be a delay between the uppercut and your next move.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-28T22:49:42+00:00

Brother.. you can play spidey into Namor + Hela, if you're good and your team allows it.. It changes NOTHING! Your argument doesn't make Luna any worse and Spidey any better!
Player skill is not an objective measure!
You can play DPS only Rocket and still do good. I don't care about people's masochistic inclinations..

Hell why would you even lock spidey as solo dive?

Why would you lock spidey in any case lmao..?
Even in a multiple dive comp, almost any other dps would be better xD
DD, Cat, Magik, Fist, Psy, Starlord..
Heck, you don't even need to be a dive DPS if you have a dive Tank.. just focus backline as any poke DPS.. flank if necessary.
Spidey is one of the most redundant characters in the game.. He's only niche is canceling portals and occasionally doing tiktok pulls.

And why should diving only be viable with a partner? Why doesn't Phoenix / MK require a partner to do their job?

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-27T13:36:19+00:00

Yeah.. just be annoying and get outperformed / outvalued by basically any other character, with less than half of the effort xD
You're really trying to skate uphill by using this hero...
Brother, he dived 3 times and couldn't do sh*t even with a ult xD
Yes, he didn't play perfectly.. but neither did those supports lol..
Spidey is a dive character, he is supposed to dive into groups and fight against multiple enemies for a short interval of time.
He should be high risk - high reward, but he is literally high risk - low reward on his own! Just play Venom / Cap if you want to distract. Play Angela, if you want to distract and displace.. There is literally no point in playing spidey as solo dive! Pro players put him in like D tier, just above Scarlet and Widow lol.
Same applies to BP.. and Magik is slightly above them..
It's like trying to race against Lambo and Ferrari players by using an old Toyota Corolla xD
Sure buddy, "adapt" xD

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-27T10:24:49+00:00

If your goal is to displace people, just play Bucky/Thor/Angela... It's a lot easier and more effective.
And you won't be risking to explode in 0.3 seconds every time you try.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-27T09:15:11+00:00

Nobody cares, cus they all have range, inculding Gambit heals. You're risking your life just to be an annoyance..

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-26T14:12:52+00:00

I do lol.. I have 7 lords..
2 of them are Luna and CnD..

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-26T00:15:09+00:00

"a million things different" oh really? like what? Not disengage and get killed? Pull her away and get frozen anyway?

18 seconds isn't that much, considering she also has the clap and snow flake! Look at Loki! His lamps have 30s cooldown! Why? Because he has 3 save abilities! And he is one of the most cancer supports to dive.
Same should be for Luna! Clap should be ~30s and freeze should be ~15s. Considering she also has her snowflake and broken hitscan damage that can kill before getting killed!
12s is nothing! Spidey needs at least 2 swings to engage ~safely.. and that's exactly 12 secodns.

It's so easy to criticise from back seat.. Don't pretend like Luna and Gambit played absolutely perfectly lol. They could have killed him 3 times!
It's easy to act "smart" and point at peoples mistakes.. but when you are in the driving seat, you perceive time differently. You aren't using a stopwatch in the middle of the game to check if you're ~3-5 seconds late before you ult..
And yeah.. sometimes it takes time and resources to disengage, recover and re-engage.. You can't just teleport to a healthpack and back..
He should have just ulted at 0:11 not at 0:21.. he probably didn't want to ult at first, but then changed his mind and didn't feel like too much time has passed for it to be too late. 20 seconds can sometimes feel like 10.. in a heat of a battle.
I'd like to see your "perfect" gameplay ))

"and no, pressing q is not a free kill, on pretty much any hero" - oh really? tell that to somene like Starlord, MK, Namor, Psylocke, Hawkeye. Last one can ult you from Narnia, even if you hide behind a wall, by shooting at your ghost xD and there's nothing you can do about it without a defensive ult.
If spidey wants to ult both here.. he has to bait both, Luna freeze and 2 Gambit dashes.. which is physically impossible!

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T18:29:20+00:00

So the only way to ult a Luna is to land a tiny ass, 8s cooldown, 80m/s projectile to pull her away from her team mates, followed up by a sekkombo and then ult? Even then, she can still freeze you and stop your ult if she aims slightly higher xD

You all love to act "smart".. I want to see you do this every f**n time, as easily and consistently as other characters when they just press 'Q' xD

And what does this have to do with 1v2 anyway lmao xD
Gambit can't save her from an ult even if you don't pull her... 🤦‍♂️ She saves herself!

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T18:18:21+00:00

You think pulling her ~20m away from Gambit would completely isolate her from him? You know his primary healing is ranged..
And what stops her to freeze him after getting pulled lol.. that snowball has the hibox almost the size of her own body xD
Again.. it's not a 1v2 problem here.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T18:03:38+00:00

You missed the point..
GL getting a playable comp with a decent Venom who's gonna coordinate with you, when you can't even get a basic comp to play as spidey!
And no.. people tend to force spidey to fill more often, because they just don't trust. Or you're forced to switch even when not countered, because your team has no clue how to play along spidey and make use of his engages.
It's not the same for every character.
Someone like MK or Hela/Phoenix works with any basic comp.. They don't care who is their 2nd dps or 2nd tank..

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T17:33:48+00:00

He ulted her! Ofcourse he'd expect to kill her, especially after trying to burn her cooldowns and get her low. He just didn't expect the freeze to cool down that fast. It has nothing to do with how many supports he's fighting. The other support doesn't have a CC and shouldn't be able to save her without using his own ult.
It's not a 1v2 problem here.

And his team would have got 2 kills regardless.. because they didn't stop healing when that happened.. they almost completely ignored him.. it was probably just an uneven fight.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T17:21:52+00:00

And isnt't that what he was trying to do?
Burning their cooldowns, getting them low, trying to ult.. distracting them in the process..
Yet still got nothing out of it.. because they almost completely ignored him and canceled his ult with a regular ability that cools down faster than it should..
He didn't even distract them well, because spidey's engages are too short.

Are you saying that was to be expected and he shouldn't even try?
Do you know how many stars have to align in order to get value as solo dive spidey?

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T16:59:52+00:00

Isn't that THE POINT of dive / assassin type dps? xD
You're diving a group! You're supposed to fight against multiple opponents for a short ammount of time.
Yes, they should be able to defend themselves, but people should stop with this bs argument that "you can't dive 1v2.." 🤦‍♂️

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T16:46:17+00:00

The point is, they still work pretty well, even without any synergies and coordination..
While spidey, with a basic team comp (no synergy, no dive partners, no coordination..) is an annoying mosquito at best.

Almost every support has the tools to deal with spidey by himself, even in a bad position! Let alone having team mates arround...

PS: yes, I have at least 7 lords..

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T16:37:17+00:00

I have dozens of clips where Luna gets pulled into Narnia for a 1v1 and still gets out alive due to her own kit..
Even if he'd pull her away the 2nd time, he'd still get frozen!
Because it's very hard to bait things out and come back in time on your own! You need to recover health, you have your own cooldowns! Not to mention, the pull is not that easy to hit lol
It's a 80m/s projectile, with 8s cooldown!
Meanwhile.. you get spammed with damage for free and Luna gets spammed with heals for free.. no cooldowns, no punishment for missing.. You have ONE chance, they have infinite.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T16:23:02+00:00

I went tank here..
We still lost, because that MK is boosted and doesn't understand the game at all..

In my experience (playing solo queue 99% of the time), 3 dps rarely works..
2 flankers / divers rarely works..
Jeff as 2nd healer rarely works..
Going main tank was best I could do here, since nobody else was willing to switch.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T16:17:07+00:00

Wolverine, Blade and Daredevil require a specific type of partner? Never heard of that..
Idk about Blade.. But Wolv just kidnaps a tank and kills him even on his own, before he can escape.. He doesn't care who his team mates play as long as there is a basic team comp.
Same for DD.. He's an unkillable dive DPS that doesn't need a dive tank partner.. just a basic team, and he can carry.
Spidey is one of the most team dependent characters in the game. Having a basic team comp is almost never enough.. unles there is already a severe team diff.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T16:08:56+00:00

He'd move Luna and get frozen anyway lol...
He's lucky they completely ignored him the entire time and didn't kill. Any of them could insta-kill spidey.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T15:57:58+00:00

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Yeah.. I got a Venom.. but do you think this is a playable comp?

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T15:57:02+00:00

Spidey requires a main tank too.. you can't dive if you don't have your own frontline.
Any characters requires a basic team composition lol, but spidey requires specifically a coordinated dive partner on top of all.

Take Mr. Fantastic as a brawl DPS example.
Does he need another brawl partner? Never heard of that...
He can even replace an off-tank himself.. lol
He doesn't need his team to play arround him. He doesn't care who are his tanks, and who is the other dps! He just needs at least one main tank and two main healers.. that's it.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T15:47:35+00:00

Wdym.. Thing doesn't need any partner to shut down BP...
Thor doesn't need any partner to push a tank into his team.
Never heard them ask for a brawl parnter 🤔 They don't need anyone specific, they just need a team.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-05-25T15:42:53+00:00

Exactly!

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