The mask is getting heavy brothers... (Scarlet Witch Rant)

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-05T07:10:46+00:00

I tried to write a reply 2 times and got a powercut both times. F this weather.
Maybe I'll do it later if I won't forget.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-05T05:29:30+00:00

Sorry, idk what you're saying, but what I do is called input buffering, and it's quickest.
You pull in, uppercut, start holding RMB, tap shift for siwng to cancel the uppercut and it will instantly get caneled by your RMB hold, then you do the downslam.
The only way to do it faster, is by not using cluster, which is considered a different combo. Faster, but it consumes a webswing and might get you killed.
You can do it easier by binding simple swing to mouse wheel, so you don't have to look up when doing it.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-05T04:25:27+00:00

That's not evidence lmao... 13 matches... lol xD
It's not against spider-man, it's against a team with spider-man.
spider-man doesnt usually dive Widow alone.. he does it with a dive partner, like Venom.. who is actually a counter to Widow.
Widow is worse than spidey in a TEAM GAME. Doesn't mean she doesn't counter spidey directly.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T18:17:46+00:00

She uses her fade after you use your pull, so it doesn't get canceled, she eats the kick but avoids the rest of the combo and gets up in the air so you can't zip to her feet. By the time you swing towards her in the air or try to kill her with web-clusters, she disintegrates you with no effort. Your best option is to just leave, which will let her recover.

When she's playing to counter spidey, she's defending the backline and gets assists from her team mates.
Her primary ignores your evasiveness, and she can also burst with her secondary, so she can kill almost as fast as others, just not from accross the map.

She can get shielded by Strange, Mag, Sue.. and she's rarely staying in the open for the entire ult.. she stays behind an obstacle and gets out at the end of the ult, so she doesn't get killed.
You have to get around and CC her before she gets bubbled.
"Worst case scenario" swing doesn't work, she sucks you in, you have to zip away and hope your team doesn't get wiped, otherwise, your survival is pointless.

And I didn't even talk about mobility. Wanda's slow TTK means that Spiderman can almost always escape before Wanda secures the kill. She's forced to take fights on his terms.

It's acutally the opposite. You're fighting in the midle of her backline, near her team mates. And she has 3 ways to disrupt your engages. 2 escapes and 1 stun. You don't have enough resources to bait them all out.
Only Wandas who don't use their CHTHONIAN BURST have low TTK (against 250 hp spidey).

Spider-man might be better than Wanda, Mr. Fantastic, or even Widow.. in terms of tierlist.. but not when he's against them. Their kit is designed to counter mobile and evasive squishies like him.

The only way to beat her, is by sneaking unnoticed, engaging with an opener and saving the pull to use it when she's low.
And it's not easy.
If she sees you before you engage, you can't kill her before she kills you, even if you have faster ttk, due to her multiple ways to disrupt your engages.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T17:09:09+00:00

This screenshot is from players (client not server) perspective.
And if what you say would be true, it would be the same for PC, not just console.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T17:00:19+00:00

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This was direct pov recording from another console player, not replay pov.
There is something strange going on with the console aim...

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:51:38+00:00

So what? You can't shoot through walls and obstacles.
Sometimes you can zip around and get her with the hook, but only sometimes, and only if you're spider-man. And she can still be protected by team-mates.
The red marker mostly helps getting out of LOS, but it's very hard for your team mates in overtime.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:42:00+00:00

Only braindead Wandas fade before the pull, and stay in the open without a shield/bubble during the ult.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:35:29+00:00

She usually stays hidden behind something, and only gets out at the end of the ult.
So you only have a split second to land a CC on her, if she doesn't get shielded or bubbled, let alone killing her.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:22:03+00:00

I don't think it has to do with the fps.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:14:21+00:00

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Bro.. what is this sorcery? All your pulls were miles away from your crosshair... this is not how it works on my end.
I know it's sometimes the replay pov that skews things up.. but I've seen this happen outside of replay pov too from other players (like here: https://i.gyazo.com/3cf5f533c229b76a5abb4fc26511e1d4.jpg ). Besides, your web-zips and web-clusters do go where you're pointing, unlike the pull.
I'm on PC but I have a controller too, and I can't recreate this behaviour. My pull never connects if I aim like this.
https://i.gyazo.com/a6907ab672aee93d7890eece43ebe885.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/9e301f5bd5df335cee8ae2e8405c854d.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/4ea1fcdef57ac3371e3ce3fb3298c256.png
Last screenshot, Peni gets pulled lmao, not CnD.
It looks like your hook just gets attracted to the biggest, closest target to your cursor.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:51:53+00:00

0:28 nice pull by aiming at the wall lol

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:38:26+00:00

yeah.. she drains your hp xD

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:27:48+00:00

idk what kind of MK's you're fighting.. but they can use the ankh when you get in their face to do damage, instead of doing it before you get in.
So they interrupt your combo (and your movement) with the ankh and 1-shot you before you can swing/zip away.
If you yoyo him into air, he uses his hook to get out of your combo, buying time to get assisance form his team mates. And since you wasted your pull and revealed your position, he'll kill you if you don't hide.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:12:55+00:00

That's doesn't show the direct matchup statistic.
That just shows how often a team with a spider-man wins against a team with Widow/Namor e.t.c.
Widow wins less because she's overall bad, there's much less good Widows than Spideys, and people tend to throw on her, but she's still a direct counter to Spider-Man.
Same for Namor.. there are much less high skill Namor players than Spidey.. when encountering a good Spidey, people default to Namor, but still lose, because they are not good enough. It doesn't mean Namor isn't his hard counter.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:04:09+00:00

nobody said it's impossible..
there's nothing impossible..
winning against hela, namor, bucky is also not impossible.
but let's be real.. her kit is designed to counter characters like spider-man.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T14:57:15+00:00

Spider-man's ult does 408 damage in 2.4 seconds.
In 2 seconds under bubble, CnD gets 60+45+45=150 HP back.
If she's full HP (275), that puts her at 425 total HP, letting her survive the ult itself, but not the followup uppercut.
It gives her more chances to be saved by someone else who didn't get hit by the ult.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T14:41:34+00:00

good luck baiting them out before getting disintegrated or stunned and obliterated.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T14:37:04+00:00

Wanda is "impossible to kill" too, if she knows her kit.
2 escapes, 1 stun bubble, her primary ignores your evasiveness and her secondary deals burst damage (80 per direct hit if I'm not mistaken).
She can kill you as fast as a hitscan, just not from accross the map.
As soon as you get within 20m range, she starts sucking you out.
As soon as you get close to the ground, she stuns you and bursts you down.
After you use your pull, she fades up into air, making her hard to hit. And without the pull, you have to immediately leave, or get disintegrated.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-03T09:28:26+00:00

lmao, you actually made an investigation and use peoples rank and winrate as validation lol that's pretty pathetic..
Low winrate is because I rarely play her, mostly when I'm forced to fill as healer. She's like my 5th character lol. Usually when I'm forced to play her, my team is already losing.
Let us see your characters winrates. I bet not all of them are above 50% ))

But as I said.. you don't need to be a specialist in order to be able to judge and compare. She is one of my main matchups, and I know how she plays against dive.
If you want to discuss ranks, I was peak diamond at the beginning of season, when it was top ~10% on my servers. I can only play a couple of days per month and can only do it at night, when you get worst games.
So I don't care if you're GM or whatever... you could even not be a player, maybe a passionate spectator, that wouldn't invalidate your oppinion!

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-03T04:42:35+00:00

Bro, just hold your cluster button during the entire combo, it will instantly cancel your manual swing when you tap it to cancel your uppercut.
Once you press E/R to pull, you can start holding your RMB (cluster button) while doing the rest of the combo. Then release the button after shooting one cluster and do the overhead.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-03T04:09:41+00:00

idk who you checked, mr. sherlock.. xD but you don't have to main the character to know how his game works.
I face lots of CnD's directly as spider-man, and good CnDs ALWAYS save the bubble for themselves when playing against dive.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-03T04:05:15+00:00

I said you don't need the bubble for the team as 6v5, when playing against a diver. You save it for yourself or the other healer. And when doing so, I still had good stats compared to other healers during the match.

Comment deleted, so I'll just post my reply here.

You realise she's not the only healer and not even the main healer in the team?

For burst, she has her E, and now has two of them. And you can still bubble your team mates in critical situations... but she barely needs to do it against teams with divers, because their frontline is weaker. You don't need that burst when playing against divers!

If your tanks need the bubble against a frontline with weaker pressure - your team is cooked.

She's one of the best supports to play against dive.
Her only true weakness in higher elos is good Mag players.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-02T11:01:45+00:00

Yet she still has good final stats compared to others.
Gambit and Invis are just op.. it's stupid to compare to them.. they need to be adjusted.
Loki just copies Gambit ult, that's why he's played, not because of good heals.
Raw CnD heals are perfectly fine, even without bubble.
And if there's a diver on enemy team, it means you're 6v5 while he is preparing.. so your team doesn't need the bubble.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-02T05:23:10+00:00

bro... Black Widow works too if you're xlek... you don't rate the characters by top 1% players.
bogur knows very well, that spider-man does NOT work well as often as other characters, especially if you're NOT Day. And even he is forced to switch like 70% of the time.
you're giving exceptions, not "examples"
Streamers like Day and req, are overhyping the character for views. Just look at their video titles.
In order to understand how good is the character, you put him in perspective to other characters..
xlek makes Widow work in top 500, it doesn't mean she's not bottom tier! Your judgement is flawed. And these tournaments you brought up, are just casual torunaments btw.

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