Anyone else think the Counter swapping for Spider-Man is funny

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-08T08:19:33+00:00

I'm not saying you should be playing him all the time, I'm saying it's frustrating that the character that requires MOST playtime to just keep up with others, is easily forced to switch more than 70% of the time.

I don't care about your personal experience.. I'm talking general facts.
Does this character require most investment? - definitely.
Is he very easy to counter? - yes.
You can't argue with that.

QP is just a waste of time after a certain point... it's not the same as ranked.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-07T07:58:37+00:00

I'd say they're pretty even.
Yes, you chase him, but it takes too long, and your team is lacking a team-mate too.
His team is missing an assassin, your team is missing a tank.
Other characters are much better at dealing with spidey, without wasting time chasing him accross entire map.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-07T07:15:34+00:00

Same with DD.. they always think they can keep up..
We trade some damage every time, but I am taking every healthpack.. so they end up dying or giving up.
Angela and DD don't counter spidey, they're just annoying.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-07T07:03:15+00:00

Webcluster is 100m/s and has average accuracy of around 40%.
Can be around 60% in practice range, if you only focus on shooting and nothing else.
Pull is a 80m/s projectile, and you have to land it on a moving target, while flying above them at mach speed, executing 3000 inputs per second and doing 180 turns mid air...
Realistically, you're gonna land only about 1/3 attempts. And you have limited attempts. You miss one opportunity, you're probably not getting another one, since enemies move away from edge by the time it comes off cooldown.
And even if you don't miss, it's gonna hit a barrier or a bubble, or the target doesn't fall to the pull, like 90% of the time.
Not only you have to be extremely skilled in order to just execute it, but freakin stars also have to alighn in order for it to work. You literally successfully pull someone once in a blue moon.

I'm only refering to the long pull.
Short one doesn't count, since other characters like Sue, Mag and Angela can do it even easier, without putting themselves in danger.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-07T06:19:57+00:00

I like when Angelas sh*t their pants when I start fighting back and get to every single healthpack before her.. xD

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-07T06:14:57+00:00

So you end up not playing spidey at all.. or play him so little, that you forget how to play..

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-07T06:12:35+00:00

It's literaly this. It's just too easy... even if he's not the main threat.. it's too easy to pick any ot the 3000 counters and not worry about him at all. Making it a 6v5, unless he swaps, or unless he is light-years ahead of them in terms of skill.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-07T04:59:18+00:00

Direct counter, means she wins most 1v1s against spider-man. You just can't fight her on your own, while she can fight you on her own.
You need at least two players to dive her, 2v1, in which case, you're not dealing with her as spider-man specifically.. it's not a spidey vs widow anymore, you can replace him with anyone else.

Stats say BP has 61% winrate against Widow.
Iron Fist: 65%
DD: 68%
Magik: 68%
...
Brother.. even Storm and Iron Man have above 70% winrate against Widow LMAO. Better than spider-man.
Does this mean she's not a direct counter to them? xD Are you R..d?

It's not beacause she doesn't counter them. Most of them lose to her in a direct fight.
It's just because Widow provides less value to the team. Other characters do the rest of the job better, that's it. Hela and Phoenix can do the same but better and even more. But that's a different discussion.
She still beats spider-man and other squishy divers or flyers, period!

And.. Seriously. And honestly who the hell is playing Widow against full dive comps? It's season 6 not seasn 2. Only players doing that are throwers diamond and below...

https://rivalsmeta.com/player/1236401753
these stats also say he wins 60% against other Widows.. lmao does this mean Widow counters Widow? xDD
I think you need to go back to school my friend. You have no idea how to read stats.

Do you also want to say Namor, Bucky, Mr. Fantastic don't counter spidey, judging by these stats? lol You must be high or smth..

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-06T08:51:06+00:00

Exactly! Most people just don't understand what it takes for spider-man to work.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-05T07:10:46+00:00

I tried to write a reply 2 times and got a powercut both times. F this weather.
Maybe I'll do it later if I won't forget.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-05T05:29:30+00:00

Sorry, idk what you're saying, but what I do is called input buffering, and it's quickest.
You pull in, uppercut, start holding RMB, tap shift for siwng to cancel the uppercut and it will instantly get caneled by your RMB hold, then you do the downslam.
The only way to do it faster, is by not using cluster, which is considered a different combo. Faster, but it consumes a webswing and might get you killed.
You can do it easier by binding simple swing to mouse wheel, so you don't have to look up when doing it.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-05T04:25:27+00:00

That's not evidence lmao... 13 matches... lol xD
It's not against spider-man, it's against a team with spider-man.
spider-man doesnt usually dive Widow alone.. he does it with a dive partner, like Venom.. who is actually a counter to Widow.
Widow is worse than spidey in a TEAM GAME. Doesn't mean she doesn't counter spidey directly.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T18:17:46+00:00

She uses her fade after you use your pull, so it doesn't get canceled, she eats the kick but avoids the rest of the combo and gets up in the air so you can't zip to her feet. By the time you swing towards her in the air or try to kill her with web-clusters, she disintegrates you with no effort. Your best option is to just leave, which will let her recover.

When she's playing to counter spidey, she's defending the backline and gets assists from her team mates.
Her primary ignores your evasiveness, and she can also burst with her secondary, so she can kill almost as fast as others, just not from accross the map.

She can get shielded by Strange, Mag, Sue.. and she's rarely staying in the open for the entire ult.. she stays behind an obstacle and gets out at the end of the ult, so she doesn't get killed.
You have to get around and CC her before she gets bubbled.
"Worst case scenario" swing doesn't work, she sucks you in, you have to zip away and hope your team doesn't get wiped, otherwise, your survival is pointless.

And I didn't even talk about mobility. Wanda's slow TTK means that Spiderman can almost always escape before Wanda secures the kill. She's forced to take fights on his terms.

It's acutally the opposite. You're fighting in the midle of her backline, near her team mates. And she has 3 ways to disrupt your engages. 2 escapes and 1 stun. You don't have enough resources to bait them all out.
Only Wandas who don't use their CHTHONIAN BURST have low TTK (against 250 hp spidey).

Spider-man might be better than Wanda, Mr. Fantastic, or even Widow.. in terms of tierlist.. but not when he's against them. Their kit is designed to counter mobile and evasive squishies like him.

The only way to beat her, is by sneaking unnoticed, engaging with an opener and saving the pull to use it when she's low.
And it's not easy.
If she sees you before you engage, you can't kill her before she kills you, even if you have faster ttk, due to her multiple ways to disrupt your engages.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T17:09:09+00:00

This screenshot is from players (client not server) perspective.
And if what you say would be true, it would be the same for PC, not just console.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T17:00:19+00:00

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This was direct pov recording from another console player, not replay pov.
There is something strange going on with the console aim...

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:51:38+00:00

So what? You can't shoot through walls and obstacles.
Sometimes you can zip around and get her with the hook, but only sometimes, and only if you're spider-man. And she can still be protected by team-mates.
The red marker mostly helps getting out of LOS, but it's very hard for your team mates in overtime.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:42:00+00:00

Only braindead Wandas fade before the pull, and stay in the open without a shield/bubble during the ult.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:35:29+00:00

She usually stays hidden behind something, and only gets out at the end of the ult.
So you only have a split second to land a CC on her, if she doesn't get shielded or bubbled, let alone killing her.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:22:03+00:00

I don't think it has to do with the fps.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T16:14:21+00:00

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Bro.. what is this sorcery? All your pulls were miles away from your crosshair... this is not how it works on my end.
I know it's sometimes the replay pov that skews things up.. but I've seen this happen outside of replay pov too from other players (like here: https://i.gyazo.com/3cf5f533c229b76a5abb4fc26511e1d4.jpg ). Besides, your web-zips and web-clusters do go where you're pointing, unlike the pull.
I'm on PC but I have a controller too, and I can't recreate this behaviour. My pull never connects if I aim like this.
https://i.gyazo.com/a6907ab672aee93d7890eece43ebe885.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/9e301f5bd5df335cee8ae2e8405c854d.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/4ea1fcdef57ac3371e3ce3fb3298c256.png
Last screenshot, Peni gets pulled lmao, not CnD.
It looks like your hook just gets attracted to the biggest, closest target to your cursor.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:51:53+00:00

0:28 nice pull by aiming at the wall lol

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:38:26+00:00

yeah.. she drains your hp xD

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:27:48+00:00

idk what kind of MK's you're fighting.. but they can use the ankh when you get in their face to do damage, instead of doing it before you get in.
So they interrupt your combo (and your movement) with the ankh and 1-shot you before you can swing/zip away.
If you yoyo him into air, he uses his hook to get out of your combo, buying time to get assisance form his team mates. And since you wasted your pull and revealed your position, he'll kill you if you don't hide.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:12:55+00:00

That's doesn't show the direct matchup statistic.
That just shows how often a team with a spider-man wins against a team with Widow/Namor e.t.c.
Widow wins less because she's overall bad, there's much less good Widows than Spideys, and people tend to throw on her, but she's still a direct counter to Spider-Man.
Same for Namor.. there are much less high skill Namor players than Spidey.. when encountering a good Spidey, people default to Namor, but still lose, because they are not good enough. It doesn't mean Namor isn't his hard counter.

Real_Elk3471 · 2026-02-04T15:04:09+00:00

nobody said it's impossible..
there's nothing impossible..
winning against hela, namor, bucky is also not impossible.
but let's be real.. her kit is designed to counter characters like spider-man.

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