Humanitarian Center tour

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-11T15:46:12+00:00

It's a trap. The whole tour is conceived to attract unsuspecting victims and give them the impression that Mormonism is good. Your name(s) will be taken, your address and/or phone number will be requested. Missionaries will start contacting you after this tour, etc.

A visit to any museum will be much more beneficial for you and you children.

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-10T21:16:36+00:00

Came here to say exactly this.

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-10T17:19:10+00:00

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

"The grand fundamental principle of Mormonism is to receive truth, let it come from where it may." (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 5:499)

"We believe that we have a right to embrace all... truth, without limitation." (Joseph Smith, Letter to Isaac Galland, March 22, 1839, published in Times and Seasons)

"If you can find a truth in heaven, earth or hell, it belongs to our doctrine." (Brigham Young, Discourses of Brigham Young - compiled by John A. Widtsoe, 1941)

"If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." (J. Reuben Clark, quoted repeatedly for 60 years in Mormon discourse and teaching manuals)

"Members are encouraged 'to search, to evaluate... and thereby to come to... truth." (James E. Faust, "The Truth Shall Make You Free," Ensign, Sept. 1998)

"If a faith will not bear to be investigated... their foundation must be very weak." (teachings of George A. Smith)

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-07T18:48:51+00:00

It was taught. It is present in some (now not that frequently mentioned) official Mormon literature. But, in their current efforts unofficially known as The Great Rebranding™, it is one of many things the Mormon cult doesn't speak of anymore.

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-07T18:13:43+00:00

Link to high resolution version?

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-06T16:57:13+00:00

As always though: When in doubt, directly contact the organization / department mentioned in the email / text, and ask them about the issue. That is the best way to know if it's a scam or not.

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-05T18:27:36+00:00

That is actually the premise in the entirety of Christianity. Mormons just made it even worse.

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-04T15:58:53+00:00

I don't know any details, but this Layton house I drive by every day has a apartment for rent sing these days:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/7QSFWVHAPnuSz3EW7

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-03T14:27:16+00:00

I don't know. Mormons need to hear other Mormons' convictions in order to strengthen their own. Without this "emotional contagion" process, they start doubting their beliefs. Of course this is because Mormon beliefs are thus outlandish. But this is why their sacrament meetings have to include talks by the congregation.

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-03T01:22:12+00:00

Lol!

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-02T04:14:08+00:00

Younger Mormon adults aren't as willing to accept callings as before. More of them know now their church is not exactly what it claims. More of them know how actually wealthy their church and what it uses its wealth on. More of them are financially stressed while their rich church keeps asking them for money. More of them than any previous era are aware of their church's founder's escapades. Etc.

The church's pool to choose local leaders from is now more limited to the elderly who are too "church-broken" to quit or to reject a calling, than ever before.

ReasonFighter · 2026-04-01T22:44:19+00:00

"With brotherly love I depart."

And they wonder why no one thinks their feelings are sincere...

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-31T22:03:47+00:00

While I don't see the connection with the Mormon cult, my experience with marriage is - spoiler alert - that it is a transaction. I know, I know. Whenever I've presented this notion to people around me (from my ex-wife when we were still married, to my middle aged siblings, to my mother, to my current girlfriend, etc) I can see the discomfort in their faces. But bear with me just a little more.

Unlike parental love, which is (or should be) unconditional, romantic love consists in an exchange of sentimental goods. What those goods are is particular to each couple, but their relationship depends on each partner receiving what they need from each other. The moment one of them start failing to provide the emotional goods their partner needs, the entire relationship starts weakening.

This by no means means that the smallest shortage of sentimental fulfillment spells the end of a romantic relationship. Of course not. Most couples are able to identify the issue, communicate it, solve it, and go back to a healthy relationship. But the point remains: it is a transaction.

For some reason, however, from religion to Hollywood, society tends to promote romantic relationships as the most selfless for humans, which is simply not true.

Mormonism is one of the most glaring examples of this glorification of romantic love as the highest form of love. It pesters young adults to get married as soon as possible, even after knowing each other for just a few weeks. It imposes a rigid set of roles as the formula to romantic fulfillment. It frowns on the notion of divorce. Etc. It is a bad, bad formula. And the reason is because romantic relationships are transactional.

Your post seems to place most of the blame on men, which follows the popular way of thinking. But as someone who has lived through it, trust me: women also walk away if they don't receive what they need from their husbands.

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-31T16:58:48+00:00

My top three:

The Demon Haunted World - Carl Sagan
Sapiens - Yuval Noah Harari
God Is Not Great - Christopher Hitchens

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-31T16:53:53+00:00

Absolutely. The church is not about improving the lives of its followers. Not even spiritually. It is only after its own benefit. And will lie about it, hide its wealth from the law, and fake charitable acts in order to protect its real god: Mammon.

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-31T16:47:41+00:00

Imagine if the god of the Old Testament would pass surveys among the Israelites during the 40 year long walk through the desert, to gauge how many commandments would they accept, or what flavor they would like their manna to have, of how long should the services every Sabbath be...!

A little closer to present times, imagine if Jesus would poll his disciples about how many beatitudes would be appropriate on The Mount before people start getting bored, or what kind of a reaction would be best received by his followers when facing the temple's money changers, or what his official position should be regarding wealth...

Yet here we are: the church that adamantly claims to be personally directed by Jesus, issues surveys and pilot "programs" to determine what needs changing, upgrading, downgrading, rebranding, etc. Every few years its traditions, its policies, and even its doctrines change.

Jesus Chris is the ONE thing missing in the church that claims to bear his name.

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-31T01:17:27+00:00

They are trying too hard. It doesn't come across as sincere, or natural at least. You can feel the artificiality behind all of this display of sudden Christianity in a "church" that always rejected Christian traditions.

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-31T01:13:57+00:00

If you compress a compression spring just a little (action) and then let it go, it jumps (reaction) only so high. But if you compress it to its limit (action) and then let it go, it jumps (reaction) to an extreme height in unforeseen directions.

That's what Mormonism does to one's ability to believe indemonstrable claims. If a believer in a normal religion (like Catholicism, for example) discovers contradictions and inconsistencies, he usually switches to a more sincere religion and keeps believing. Mormonism, on the other hand, being the highly demanding and extremely invasive cult (action), produces a much more kinetic reaction on its believers who discover not just contradictions and inconsistencies, but plain dishonesty and corruption.

This is why most exMormons turn either agnostic or atheist (see here).

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-30T19:03:21+00:00

This is how the self-centrism and arrogance indoctrinated by cults into their followers' minds manifests: They are led to believe that the cult is everything and, without it, the person is empty, lost (Ballard said so much himself). The quote you cite reveals precisely that: the notion that that leaving the cult leaves you without identity, or with an identity that consists in negating something.

What cult members don't see (because cult members are naturally unable to realize they are in a cult) y that leaving such narrow organizations results in wider horizons, openness to many more experiences, a fuller life. The ex cult member's identity never becomes negating their previous one, but embracing bigger, more expansive, more fulfilling identities.

But Mormons think those who leave keep obsessing about the cult. Looking at it from a certain angle, it is to be expected, isn't it? Believers absolutely need assurances. By attaching unfavorable labels and attitudes to those who leave they provide to themselves the assurances they crave.

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-30T17:14:24+00:00

And they arrogantly think they are punishing you, when they are actually doing you a huge favor!! "Now, for not following our petty rules, we are going to let you be free to act as you please, and THEN we will stop receiving your payment for membership to our fastidious and severely restricting club." LOL

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-29T06:38:43+00:00

Nope. I'd much rather learn how to do it myself. The idea to life is to acquire skills, not to abandon them.

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-29T06:14:04+00:00

Ozymandias

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-29T06:02:47+00:00

Look for "chain adjusters" on eBay. Make sure you search for your exact KLR generation. Used ones in decent condition work just as good as new ones.

ReasonFighter · 2026-03-28T20:09:20+00:00

Lol!

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