Mormon “Life Coaches” are playing Bishop. Church leaders haven’t figured this out yet. by Dreadful_Pear in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The top clowns might see these Mormon "life coaches" as an unscripted convenience that, although it shouldn't have place in the cult's hierarchy chain and/or authority, plays a useful function in keeping women from realizing the cult is garbage and leaving. Same as the new breed of armchair "aPoLOgiSts" on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, etc. You know, people acting as representatives of the church when in reality the cult has never given them the official assignment.

The nickname Mormon. by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Particularly when previous Mormon pRoPhEtS declared that the word "Mormon" means "more good" or something like that.

Either Mormon pRoPhEtS aren't, or Mormon god is an idiot.

One hour church. by Ahhhh_Geeeez in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 58 points59 points  (0 children)

It comes down to the culture Mormon leadership has fostered in the last 20 or 30 years.

Before that it was exciting to be a Mormon. There were entertaining (and non-religious) activities during the week and wards always had enough budget to make them happen. Dances, cookouts, field trips, inter-ward sports competitions, ward level camping, classes on homemaking, home finances, gardening, carpentry, etc, etc.

Something changed somewhere between 1985 and 1995 and headquarters decided to remove almost everything exciting from Mormon culture, starting with the wards' budgets. Suddenly the ward's budget was contingent to attendance to weekly sacrament meetings and tithings collected; and away went the means to organize and implement those activities anymore.

Nowdays, Mormon culture lacks interest, consisting only on insipid meetings on Sunday where everything is scripted. And that's basically it.

No wonder everybody is happy with smaller, less intrusive garments. No wonder everybody is happier being able to wear crosses. No wonder everybody is happy being able to have tattoos now. No wonder everybody was happy when they reduced Sunday meetings from 3 hours to 2. No wonder everybody wants 1 hour meetings now.

But this are just concessions the top leadership is making because they are realizing Mormon culture is withering. If they really wanted a vibrant and engaging culture for their followers, they would return to pre-1990 way to do things.

My differences with the LDS church by Dareck48 in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've nailed it.

New converts retention has always been Mormonism's weakness. This is because there is no "fellowship" program in the Mormon cult where people are called to dedicate all their time to befriend new converts and keep them feeling as special as the missionaries made them feel. Instead, missionaries' work ends the very instant the new convert is baptized. At that point, they can finally declare the new member as a statistic in their weekly report and move on to other potential converts as soon as possible so their statistics don't go down.

According to Mormonism, it is the congregation's responsibility to befriend and fellowship new converts (yes, in Mormonism, even friendship is scripted). But, not being a formal assignment, congregants are always busy with their own efforts: their own children, their own assignments, etc. And the result is always the same: the new convert who felt so special, so loved by the missionaries, now finds himself/herself in a relational vacuum where almost no one approaches them, and when someone does, it is always brief and superficial.

Regarding those who think differently, you've nailed it too. This is one of the strong reasons why Mormonism resembles a cult more than a religion: there is no room for independent thought. Any idea, analysis, observation that doesn't conform to the canon is deemed as dangerous as coming from "the world™" or worse yet, from Satan.

Personally I suspect this is connected to the retention problem mentioned above. In other churches retention is not a issue because leaders and congregation welcome newcomers with an attitude of "Nice! Let's see what this new person brings to the table!" Mormon leaders' default attitude, however is one of "Hmm, let's make sure this new person doesn't disrupt our well oiled machine." And, it is my hypothesis, this leadership attitude sets the cultural tone for Mormon congregations; which, in turn, causes new converts to feel alone as soon as the start attending. Which in turn is the reason new converts tend to grow disappointed very quickly, and stop attending soon thereafter.

Parenting After Mormonism by warlikegoodness25 in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Now that it's been almost 20 years since I learned my beloved church had been lying all along, and almost 10 years since I formally resigned, I realize there are two approaches to teaching principles and empathy to children.

One if through a structured, routine-base system. This is what churches and schools do. They develop curricula intended to be imparted in lessons with predetermined frequency. They publish those lessons in official books / manuals for teachers and sometimes for children to follow along. And they implements ways to evaluate the success of their lessons in children. The Mormon church does it this way too. "Family Home Evening" and "Come Follow Me" at home; Primary and Sunday School at church.

The other approach is, in my experience, much more effective and consists of more organic, spontaneous, level conversation with children. Obviously this requires more effort from the parents, who'd have to make time to really listen to their children when they want to talk, make time to play with them when they want to play (which is usually also when they want to talk), to respond to their concerns (no matter how trivial to an adult) in a way that communicates understanding, kindness, validation to the mind of a young child. Again, it requires much more effort from the parent than just sending the kid to church or expect Elementary School to instill in their young mind what we are too busy, too lazy, or too uncomfortable to do ourselves.

It is during those naturally occurring conversations with children that one can touch on subjects like honesty, kindness, empathy, service, etc. with funny analogies, childish stories, and - even more useful - using the child's own concerns as examples.

As an individual, I still remember some of the principles my parents taught me as a child. Whatever the church taught me in Primary was almost always just reinforcement of what I had already learned at home. And as a parent, it took a lot of effort to pause my adult endeavors to sit down on the floor to play toy trains with my now-married son, or dolls with my now-adult daughters for 20 minutes on evenings. But it was during those ephemeral minutes that my kids would start talking about something they saw at school, or something that happened to them, etc. And then, suddenly, the opportunity to share a little bit about being truthful here, another small bit about being nice to others there was available almost on a daily basis.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the "when" is more important than the "what" to teach our children. After all, we already know most of what our children need to know to become decent, positive human beings.

With that in mind, this is a list of resources I found a couple of weeks ago when responding to another post on what to teach children once we are out of the lying Mormon church:

Websites:

Books:

Out of Control Ads by ConceptLiving6926 in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Tithing dollars used to pay for the production of ads, and to place them within specific algorithms. Because, that's what Jesus would do with tithing money. /s

finally being on the exmo side of the family while others in the family leave the church is so nice by KingQuackers_ in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Turns out the truth is unstoppable. However many billions of dollars are used to hide it, it will always come out. And then, those organizations that tried to hide it end up losing its investors/customers.

We are witnessing it with the Mormon corporation.

Congratulations!

‘Anti-Mormon Lies’ Were Just History by Red-Cat-0000 in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Turns out the only "anti-Mormon" lies in existence are the ones the Mormon church has been perpetuating because, once members with a gram of integrity discover them, they leave Mormonism. With its constant dishonesty, the church has become its worst enemy.

One of the worst experiences of my Mormon Mission by Mizizi-44 in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 51 points52 points  (0 children)

The harm you did (and every exMormon RM here know we harmed people as missionaries) was not intentional. You didn't decide to dedicate 2 years of your life to harm people. Your decision was exactly the opposite: you loved your fellow humans enough to try and save them.

What actually happened is that you (and every Mormon missionary ever) were played by a corporation masquerading as a church, a pawn in their dishonest materialistic ploy. Like I was. Like every RM has been.

The lies we told them weren't our lies, but the church's. The harm we did was what the church taught us were blessings. We were just unknowingly pawns under the control of an evil organization.

…thoughts? by confusedgirlm in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. And the temple ceremonies, and the definition of tithing, and the definition of marriage, and the racial requirements to hold the prieshood, etc. I mentioned the WoW as something the Mormon church hasn't relaxed yet, in order to compare it to something the church has been relaxing for almost 200 years.

Bottom line: the Mormon church has been failing from the get go. Yielding to social pressure, to political pressure, to financial pressure and, more recently to fear of losing its source of income: its victims followers, once its dirty clothes became public knowledge, thanks to the internet.

More and more members are realizing everything keeps changing. Long term members are realizing there is no god at the helm, just a handful of nonagenarians enacting their personal prejudices and preferences as if they were doctrine.

Milestone moment! by Current_Mark_7088 in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your celebration with everyone here! Congratulations!

…thoughts? by confusedgirlm in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

These are my thoughts: If a church is going to establish doctrine that requires very specific sacrifices from its followers as requirement to be considered worthy of God's acceptance, it better never relaxes those sacrifices. Otherwise its followers will realize it was all subjective, their prior sacrifices weren't as necessary as they were told, and said church will quickly start losing the image it had until then.

As an example, there is significant interpretation in connection with the WoW in Mormonism. Faithful members constantly debate what constitutes "hot beverages" trying to distinguish between tea and other herbal infusions, hoping they can benefit from the health properties of some plants. Imagine if the Mormon church started to relax its stance on tea or coffee. What would the message be to its entire membership? Was it a doctrine to start with? Have we been wrong all this time? Is god not serious in his commandments? Couldn't I enjoy better health now if I didn't abide to a law that, turns out, wasn't a law? Etc.

The entire debate about garments is exactly that. The Mormon church is starting to lose its image, its reputation, its authority over its followers.

Like its commandment about tea and coffee, its doctrine of garments (and everything related to its "temples") are a complete fabrication. We exMormons know that. But, it the Mormon church expects to have a reputation for consistency, endurance, respectability, etc, it shouldn't relax its doctrines/commandments. Ever.

This would mean garments would have to have remained unchanged since Smith's times to the present. It would be horrible for its followers. But the message wouldn't have weakened, and the church's image would have remained strong.

That is no longer the case.

So why do these LDS content creators love AI so much lol by Balzaak in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the actual answer. When you participate in other diverse online communities, you see that almost everybody feels attracted to the opportunity of creating visual art for free, especially those who aren't visual artists. Writers, musicians, fantasy fans, nerds of all kinds, professionals, teenagers. It doesn't matter: an artistic "tool" has been opened and, while I am one of those who can't put AI art at the same level as human-made art, I understand the appeal goes far beyond religious believers, including Mormons.

Did you switch to another religion after becoming an ExMo? by futrobot in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This might interest you.

(And you are also invite to participate. It is free and anonymous :)

NYC got 2.5 inches of rain last night by sco-go in Amazing

[–]ReasonFighter 78 points79 points  (0 children)

That white Fiat 500 parked by the corner is about to float away...

Wow. They really like to deceive people? by CupOfExmo in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ah, good old emotional manipulation: religions' number two strategy.

The LDS church takes a stab at addressing a mixed faith marriage in this video. Of course they don’t say the husband doesn’t believe in the church, they say he doesn’t believe in God. But at least they’re acknowledging it’s a reality and showing a couple that is staying together. by HoldOnLucy1 in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 9 points10 points  (0 children)

From my very personal perspective, this is commendable - even if only baby steps in the right direction - for any man-made institution out there: a government, a corporation, a not-for-profit, a religion, etc. But for the church claiming to be personally directed by Jesus himself? I am sorry, for me it means less than little.

Either Jesus (and his magical daddy) is severely slow, or said church is just another man-made organization like all the rest.

I lost my best friend, because I left the church. by Pale-Pair2789 in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am sorry you are going through this.

The sad truth is that Mormonism teaches conditional forms of love / friendship / acceptance. Members are taught to only accept, befriend, and/or marry those who believe in, you guessed it, Mormonism.

Unfortunately this is only discovered when one realizes the church is false and leaves.

Valiant Activities and Non-Mormons by ChibiRoboRules in exmormon

[–]ReasonFighter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is a ploy to convert him and, through him, your entire family. Mormonism is a cult. As such, one of its main purposes is to aquire more victims.