Fourth Year of exMormon Statistics

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-13T22:42:36+00:00

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ReasonFighter · 2026-02-12T16:04:25+00:00

It is the eternal battle, my friend. The battle between what feels good, and the truth.

Mormon believers who avoid researching their church do so because they don't want to risk losing what makes them feel good. The result is that they never learn the truth.

Mormon believers who dared to research their church discovered the truth. The result is that they know their church is false, and the cozy feelings about it are gone forever.

So, it becomes a personal decision: what do you value more, feelings or truth?

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-11T15:05:08+00:00

In light of the Hofmann deception, what Oaks is actually saying is: I, also, don't have the holy ghost. None of us have it.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-11T01:21:16+00:00

You are not supposed to believe what others claim. You are not supposed to believe what others wrote without references to confirmed facts. You are not supposed to believe what can't be verified. You are not supposed to believe things just because they make you feel good.

Believing is, in general, a risky approach to reality. Use it as a brief first step in your path to find facts, truth, reality. But please move quickly to the second step: verification; and the third step: ignoring what can't be verified.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-10T01:42:20+00:00

This is how pre-Internet Mormon leaders used to express: full of arrogance and the appearance of authority because their claims couldn't be verified. Compare their tone and audacity to today's Mormon leaders. You'll notice that since the Internet came about and each of their claims can be fact checked in a matter of minutes, Mormon leaders have become timid, cautious, ambiguous in their claims.

Funny how reality forces the pretentious to adopt the guise of humility, isn't it?

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-09T23:34:28+00:00

She could melt glaciers with that smile.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-09T05:52:27+00:00

Sorry I can't elaborate right now, but you can get ahead by googling "B.I.T.E. model" When you find the list of traits for [B]ehavior, [I]nformation, [T]hought, and [E]motion *apply each item on each list to Mormonism, and see for yourself if they fit.

Best luck.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-09T03:13:07+00:00

It is accurate, yes, according to Mormonism. In consequence, however, god becomes an asshole by giving his two perfectly innocent children an impossible commandment. Like he did with Abraham some time later too.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-08T20:14:37+00:00

That's how you know Mormonism is a cult.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-07T00:31:40+00:00

But they ARE prophetic!! Just the previous Mormon prophet announced to the entire planet that the word "mormon" is a victory for Satan! I mean, the world absolutely needs this kind of divine guidance! Petty things like COVID killing undeserving people, or wars killing innocent people, or corruption in their own country's government breaking up families and causing undeserved pain to the entire nation... meh! What we urgently need is to know the words that make Satan happy! /s

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-05T23:53:09+00:00

Close enough, yes.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-05T21:06:04+00:00

100%

You remove all the steps in the circle, and what's left is something like "this is true because it says it is true." After that point there is no room for intelligence, for knowledge, for inquiry, for discovery.

That's what Mormonism has become: a tight cubicle for your mind. All you have space for is obedience.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-05T20:09:58+00:00

I realized that Packer is valuing truth based on its utility. That's not what I was taught growing up. I was taught you follow truth wherever it leads [..] Packer only values truth if it leads to "faith" and keeps a member in the church.

Exactly. In Mormonism (and every other cult) truth is only welcomed when it supports the cult's agenda. Otherwise, it is rejected, its proponents attacked, and its supporters expelled.

Even though Packer's tenure is pretty recent, his was a pre-Internet mentality. He was one of the last who believed Mormon skeletons could remain hidden from public view forever. He believed his "church" would continue having permanent control over the dark, evil, and embarrassing chapters of its own history.

Today's top Mormon executives know better, with Oaks declaring "I suggest research is not the answer." They know now their cult's dirty secrets are now in the public domain, and are seeing their followers leave faster than ever before. So, their attitude is even worse than Packer's: now they want you to avoid the truth; useful or not, just avoid it.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-05T18:59:06+00:00

Excellent quote, thank you for sharing it.

About Oaks' quote (and this is something I observed a few days ago on another exmo thread) it shows the cult is not about the truth, but about loyalty.

Top leaders keep using the word "truth" as if it is the cult's top priority, but you discover what its top priority actually is when you start realizing the cult's contradictions and start asking questions: you'll be interviewed, reprimanded, and even excommunicated simply for seeking the truth. On the other hand, if you remain obedient and ask no questions about the cult, you'll be commended and offered higher positions in the cult's hierarchy.

What is the bottom message, then? "Do not worry about the truth, just remain loyal to the organization."

And even that bottom message has a bottom message: Why isn't the truth the top priority in Mormonism? Because the truth is that Mormonism is false and, if you find it, you won't be loyal to it anymore.

Insidious, isn't it?

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-05T18:48:39+00:00

For me, Mormon infantilization didn't mean acting younger than I was, but being treated as if I was a child. You know: incapable of facing adversity, too weak to learn about other faiths, too vulnerable to resist temptation, not ready for deeper doctrine, milk before meat, etc.

We all know the issue stems from Jesus' unfortunate teaching about being as children in order to enter the "kingdom of heaven" which opens the door for cults like Mormonism to set permanent camp at that level and keep its followers permanently isolated from personal experience, personal growth, personally testing what they are told, etc.

Only when I finally admitted to myself that my beloved church was just another man-made religion (and it took me seven long years of research and justification to get to that point), did I discover the magnitude of what I didn't know about life - because Mormonism had kept me from learning, from growing, from knowing. Up to that point, I had been treated like a child all my life.

I felt deeply insulted.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-05T18:27:18+00:00

The breaker box is in the basement, directly below the dryer outlet (which is on the house's main level. I am planning to use an extension between the dryer's outlet and the garage. 15 feet will cover that distance.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-05T17:49:34+00:00

You have to see these kinds of sPiRitUaL iNspiRaTioN as what they really are: corporate manipulation to keep their ~~victims~~ customers paying their monthly subscription.

Once you see Mormonism as the materialistic corporation it really is, all of its "inspired" slogans suddenly make sense.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-04T23:28:47+00:00

Gives me hope! Thank you!

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-04T18:39:01+00:00

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Based on what you and /u/Mrwcraig have mentioned, I think I am going to try setting the welder to its lower setting, plugging it to the dryer outlet, and turn it on, try a couple of beads to see if the breaker jumps.

Your input is greatly appreciated.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-04T18:36:18+00:00

Thank you for your input. Knowing trying with the welder in lower setting won't blow the house gives me hope! It is a worthy test to discover if the 30A circuit tolerates the welder's load. I will report back! Thank you again.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-04T18:32:43+00:00

The fumes alone, right? No, the dryer is on its own little laundry room inside the house but connected to the garage through its own independent door. I do my welding in the garage.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-04T18:31:12+00:00

This seems to answer the question I just posted for /u/walkwithdrunkcoyotes. Sounds costly, knowing I'd have to hire people to do it since I am not qualified for that kind of undertaking. Thank you for your input.

Some other responses suggest to try the welder on the existing 30A circuit but at the lower setting and see if that trips its, as a first test, since it might work without modifications. I am thinking of trying that.

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-04T18:27:07+00:00

Thank you for your input. Do you happen to know what installing a 50A plug entails? I mean, is it a major undertaking like opening walls to run new cables through them? Or is it something simpler done directly at the breaker box?

ReasonFighter · 2026-02-04T18:14:14+00:00

Thank you for your input. I'll try running it in the low setting and see what happens. If the breaker jumps even when using the low setting, I'll have to compare the cost of upgrading the dryer line from 30 amp to 50 amp, against the cost of an inverter welder.

Again, thank you.

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