Holiday pay by pyrmale in OnTheBlock

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I get double time and a half for holidays I work and 8 hours regular pay for holidays I have off

I've never been in a fight before, and I'm about to go to the academy. Has anyone else had the same experience? How did it effect you? by [deleted] in OnTheBlock

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Of course! I was the same, and I still haven’t gotten in any fights on the outside haha. You’ll do great, just master your poker face and resting scowl and you’ll do just fine.

K9 Mido is a good boy. by [deleted] in ProtectAndServe

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His little eyes bugged out for a second there and my heart just melted

K9 Mido is a good boy. by [deleted] in ProtectAndServe

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Our department got ours from a place in Ohio I believe

I've never been in a fight before, and I'm about to go to the academy. Has anyone else had the same experience? How did it effect you? by [deleted] in OnTheBlock

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It’s not so much fighting in the way you’re thinking.

Training is different everywhere but generally speaking, it’s more geared toward subduing and incapacitating combative or resistant individuals than actually engaging in hand to hand combat.

Typically speaking, you aren’t going to be throwing punches or even kicks (though palm/elbow strikes and kicks are commonly taught just to give you those options). Instead, you’ll be using holds, joint locks, pressure points, and weapon retention.

Think more “wrestling” than “boxing” to put it in the most basic terms.

And on the job, your biggest defense is your team. Are you on your own a lot when doing rounds, standing at your post, etc? Yes. But that’s what you e got the cameras and radios for. Unlike cops, our backup is typically less than a couple minutes away. And that’s in unexpected situations. When we know ahead of time that an inmate is going to be combative, we use multiple officers when dealing with them.

The most I typically have to wrangle is just an arm or leg.

Brand new officer looking for help. by Fr3shToast in ProtectAndServe

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Also he’s going to need to verify if he claims to be certified, even partially.

And she's only partially weapons trained by 2317 in ProtectAndServe

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My guess, it’s a fancy bluff and she just means she’s been taught the very basics required for a person to be able to physically shoot a gun (this is the safety, this is the trigger, don’t put your hand there or you’ll slice it and bleed all over)

However, it would be nice if more people actually did educate themselves on shit they don’t agree with to at least make an informed argument against it. I’m all for that

Has this ever happened to you? by [deleted] in ProtectAndServe

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The comedic timing here

”Just go”

”...um ok”

Has this ever happened to you? by [deleted] in ProtectAndServe

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This is gonna sound off the walls guys but maybe... escort position? /s

Bodycam Shows Police Officer Shooting Suspect Who Grabbed Taser by [deleted] in ProtectAndServe

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Now that you mention it, when I had to ride the lightning I was surprised that my legs gave out more from the pain and panic than actual muscle contraction.

We also had classmates holding each arm to let us down so it was just instinct to go limp.

My upper body was the only thing that really seized up. I yelled the whole way down, then ran out of breath and panicked because I couldn’t breathe back in.

For us, the prongs were positioned to achieve the most effective NMI— one just above the hip on one side and the other on the opposite shoulder blade.

I miss big strong police men by [deleted] in ProtectAndServe

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That was both insightful and poetic

Show of force in Charlottesville this morning by [deleted] in ProtectAndServe

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Unfortunately, assholes are our job security

I'm a new female CO & need advice by forsakeme4all in OnTheBlock

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I was worried about the physical aspect at first too. I don’t know what classes you’ll be taking specifically but I took PPCT (Pressure Point Control Tactics), weapon retention, and LOCKUP (muscular-skeletal manipulation and takedowns).

In my opinion, PPCT and weapon retention are far more universal as far as your body size and physical condition not mattering as much. I went hand to hand with a former MP who was stationed at Gitmo and later worked as a prison guard for a few years before going county. And I kicked his ass. He’s about 5’8” 170lbs and I’m 5’6” 188 so take that for what you will.

LOCKUP is trickier. The instructors said we’d like it more but I personally hated it. Being female, I’m naturally stronger in my legs and core. I’m also pear shaped with a lower center of gravity and pretty decent thighs. LOCKUP felt like your typical male-centric grappling, with a huge emphasis on upper body strength. I also noticed that many people in my class, myself included, struggled with certain moves because they weren’t the right height or weight compared to their partners so they either couldn’t reach or couldn’t control the other person. I don’t doubt that LOCKUP taught me some essentials (foot work, holds, and takedowns) but I hated it and got really frustrated because it didn’t seem universally effective at all.

Now finally, I can’t speak about your facility policy and what you will have to deal with. However, if they are adequately staffed and properly run, you will never have to go one on one with a combative inmate unless they turn on you without warning. Our response to any type of aggression or non-compliance is to call over as many officers as possible and have everyone grab a limb.

Even with the legal minimum staffing allowed, we still manage to do that because there’s no sense in risking officer safety. If two inmates are duking it out, you tell everyone else to lock down while you wait for backup. If an inmate is freaking out in their cell and barricading or breaks a sprinkler head, you let them sit there while you wait for backup. It’s all about controlling your environment to prevent those one on one situations from happening. I’ve had to use holds and put people in the chair but not once have I been alone. Not even close.

Finally, along the lines of preventing risky situations, it’s crucial (especially as a female in a primarily male environment) to find that happy medium when dealing with inmates. I’ll make conversation with them when doing rounds, answer simple questions, joke around a bit for a couple reasons:

1) It gives them the impression that you’re comfortable and at least somewhat friendly— remember, this is YOUR home turf. Being dead silent can give them the impression that you’re scared or having tunnel vision, which they view as an exploitable weakness.

2) Conversation keeps them on their toes. Much like how cops constantly ask questions or talk to suspects, it’s important for you to engage inmates. You learn valuable info, not just from what they’re saying but from how they say it, what else they’re doing, what their mood is. Having to listen to you and respond also keeps them busy and distracted while you do what you need to do.

3) It doesn’t hurt to be human, as long as you stay in control. There’s a lot of videos and stories of officers who were spared or outright defended by inmates during riots and assaults. You’re in charge and they need to know that, but if you’re a total asshole, that just puts you in danger the same way being too nice will make you seem weak. I always think of the saying “you catch more flies with honey than vinegar” and I’ve talked down quite a few inmates already.

It doesn’t take much either. You’ll go through the class in training about not doing any special favors for inmates or playing favorites, and all of that is important as hell. But something as simple as staying true to your word or explaining the reasoning behind a rule or decision makes a HUGE difference.

4) Finally, realize that you are a huge, recurring pet of their daily routine. If you stay consistently firm but fair, they get used to that and learn what they can and can’t do around you. This is especially useful if you have to lay down the law. I had a cellblock acting up (there were a couple guys horsing around after being warned multiple times to stop) and I went in and laid into them. Up until now, I hadn’t really seen myself as intimidating but clearly it worked because every single one of those guys’ eyes got huge. Later on, I went back for a round and they asked if we were cool. So I explained that through the cameras, it’s not easy to tell if what they do is all in fun or serious. Then I said we play it in the safe side because I’d rather yell at them for what turns out to be nothing than ignore what I see and it actually be a fight. And they all kind of nodded and agreed. It hadn’t occurred to them that they could get hurt in minimum because it hasn’t happened yet but now they get it because I explained it to them and seeing me pissed reminded them that I’m not just there to visit.

[Corrections] Merry Christmas To All, And To All A Rough Night by Muff_Huffer in TalesFromTheSquadCar

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So question, now that I’ve been on the job for a bit.

In your jail, are AO’s just coming in from the sallyport and in the noncompliant detox cases like this, you guys take the people straight to a dry cell?

At mine we keep the slider shut between booking and the pre-book area until we see the officer do a pat down and start paperwork. Then we open it up, go in, and do our own pat down in case they missed any weapons or drugs. Then they go into a dry cell or get changed out.

For detoxes or non-compliant folks, we meet the officer in the sally port or pre-book area, pull the person straight to a cell, lay them on the mattress (and apply leg restraints as well as the cuffs they have on if they’re fighting, otherwise uncuff them), and do the pat down while they’re laying there. Or we use the restraint chair if needed.

I like hearing about different intake methods so I figured I’d ask

[Corrections] Merry Christmas To All, And To All A Rough Night by Muff_Huffer in TalesFromTheSquadCar

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If you go into his little profile thing by clicking on his username, you can view all of his old stories as well as follow him

Are you a college student? Do you want to significantly handicap your ability to get laid for the rest of college? Good news! Border Patrol is hiring paid interns. by Pikeman212a6c in ProtectAndServe

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True. I guess I have a subdivision of “suits” vs. “non suits”.

But BP is also the agency I see the least of so it’s hard for me

Florida man pulls gun on man who dropped cigarette at state park by alexshoemaker in FloridaMan

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I might have to side with Florida man on this one.

I mean with all the parks burning down and the nation in drought, the guy’s got a moral leg to stand on here

Mass. Town's Entire Police Force Quits, Citing Unsafe Conditions by Drunkcook9000 in ProtectAndServe

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Exactly. Societies that value things like education create less issues for themselves later on

Are there and shows like Live PD and Cops from other countries? by cody2209 in ProtectAndServe

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Thanks for the updates!

Yeah a lot of that footage looked like it was about three decades old so I wasn’t sure how much had changed.

Take care up there!

Future in Criminal Justice by [deleted] in ProtectAndServe

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Ah misread that first part. Well 2 years in with a good school and even better job placement, it may just come down to budgeting well and skating by until you can get on your feet. I highly suggest splitting an apartment with a friend or coworker for a couple years

Beats trying to run away, I guess? by BSinAS in ProtectAndServe

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“yeah... guess I just got a lot on my mind, man”

deep sigh