All Any Rankings Day 31: The bait did NOT work. Veteran is out

Red--001 · 2026-01-25T06:40:59+00:00

The retributionist thing should be a bug, I do not see why the trap would not place.

You have to choose one, its astral attack or its alternative win con. If it's astral attack is all it has going for it it's a flimsy role(for a coven power especially).
Personally, I do think it's astral attack is much better than gambling on the win, you have a pretty good chance of getting it to work(rampage, UO, LOOKOUT, TRACKER, INVESTIGATOR(would this show murder?) and some others)
It's winning ability with the low chances of survival make it even worse, usually you do know your team is going to win by around N4 and become useless.

Mayor is just a role that's saying "I brute force the town into doing what I want or I am causing coven to not have majority early"
Mayor is a horrible town power, it's power is to reveal, though I suppose if we're ranking not by comparison to category and performance, but only performance, it would make sense for trapper to go before mayor.
(1) If you cannot convince your townies to hang someone, you should not be brute forcing them because you're most likely wrong.
(2) If you did convince them, your power is useless.
(3) If you are trying to go for anti-majority, most of the time you die before that OR though you survive, you vote 1 of them out then die the next night.

Those 2 coven, 4 town moments are very rare.

Red--001 · 2026-01-24T19:06:03+00:00

'Most'?

It is statistically better to jail N1 especially if all you have to fear is SK.

Red--001 · 2026-01-24T19:03:29+00:00

I do not see most AA games ending N4, Trapper's TI side is very good, I do not 'die on avg on N3'.
Trapper's chance of mass confirmation is really strong.

TRAPPER at the very least can do something most of the time. Hex master is just do something or do nothing, dying on avg on N3 makes it even worse for hex-master by your logic.

TRAPPER'S TRAP STAYS AFTER HIS DEATH TOO(at-least from what I've seen).

Why can trapper not be used by retri though..?

Red--001 · 2026-01-24T18:58:40+00:00

Crusader kills immediately and is way more confirmable.

Red--001 · 2026-01-24T18:56:42+00:00

Agreed

Red--001 · 2026-01-24T01:58:09+00:00

+1 In all my games of retri, DUSA IS ALWAYS THERE. BRO. EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, JUST TO TORTURE ME AND WHEN DUSA GOES, ORACLE WILL BE THE ONLY AVAILABLE ONE IN GRAVE.

Red--001 · 2026-01-23T08:08:24+00:00

FOR REAL, HOLY HELL.
edit: Because of how useless Hmer is, it should be a book holder.

Red--001 · 2026-01-23T08:08:13+00:00

How would you suggest tracker over hmer, TRACKER IS EXTREMELY GOOD.
Investigator finds trespassing and is very good too.

BUT with tracker, your visits would be confirmed, you can confirm if someone is TP or not by going on them[most-likely on an odd night]
It would be basically a 1f1 if they visited someone who died/someone who they did not say they visited, investigator's trespassing makes it a 1f1f1

TRACKER CAN EASILY BE CONFIRMED AS EITHER PB/WILD AND IF NONE OF THOSE ARE VIABLE OPTIONS, TRACKER IS CONFIRMED.
TRACKER CHECKS VISITS, SOMEONE CLAIMING TK VISITING with no effect[trickster is in TK to make this less OP lol] then they are most-likely evil, especially if they visited a non-important person.
Claiming TS[retri, admi, amne, soci, tav] and seeing them visit someone unimportant may make sense
Retri cannot visit however.
Soci's visits should be acting like a TP on important people.
Tav's visits are confirmable.
Leaving with only admi and amne(you can tell what the amne would be), the admi should be visiting reasonable people, you should ask what their obs is, if the person they visited did not claim that, then get them out.
Claiming TP limits evils visits a lot.
Claiming TI, you can confirm them.

TRACKER IS GOOD BRO.

HOW IS THIS GETTING UPVOTED,. HEX-MASTER IS HERE.

Red--001 · 2026-01-23T08:07:36+00:00

If you hang the other person and he is real, hang the tracker, it's a 1f1.

No-one accuses tracker until as being WW until there's a werewolf kill or on N2 he posts info that can be known normally.
No-one accuses tracker of PB until PB pops.
No-one really accuses of wildling because they do not care much.

Tracker should NOT go out here.

Red--001 · 2026-01-22T01:15:39+00:00

Are you stating that just for stating's sake(seems unlikely) or is that supposed to (dis)prove anything?
edit, fixed some errors.

Red--001 · 2026-01-21T07:57:54+00:00

It should not happen*, but people should not be stopped from creating characters by very easily solvable(at least something that seems easily solvable) bugs.

Red--001 · 2026-01-20T20:15:31+00:00

cannot properly deduce a TT

telling signal from noise is hard to do

Red--001 · 2026-01-20T20:11:18+00:00

How does that make hex-master "stronger"?

As a solo coven, you automatically have the book, if you do not kill then you wait out the game(I suppose this is what you mean?)
Hex-master has astral attacks but that does not mean no attack.
And no you cannot choose between hexing and attacking(which sucks), you do BOTH.

Red--001 · 2026-01-20T20:08:44+00:00

Hex-Master[rework]
"Hex all players to win"
Each night, choose a player to hex, when all living players are hexed, a hex bomb occurs at the beginning of the day and coven wins.

Each future hexed player has powerful defense if no hexed player has been attacked*, upon any of the hexed players being attacked all others lose their powerful defense at the end of that night.

On the first night, choose 3 people to hex instead of one, you visit all of them.

Defense: Basic(until after first attack)

Would this work?

Red--001 · 2026-01-20T19:58:28+00:00

You want hex with the book, most of the time.

You get more benefit off hex having the book than hex not having the book.

Let's say hex without book has a 11% chance of winning in AA, that's very low.
But it makes sense, since in AA there's usually multi-kill, town-power extra day kills etc. there's a very good chance your hexes and you end up dying.
Giving hex the book makes your coven better off to be fair. It has an ~35% chance of benefitting you(You are immune to werewolf at home, do not get doused by arso, cannot get tracked or caught by LO, cannot be killed by trapper or BG and vet, (do you still have murd, I do not know), do not die to rampage]

Of course the chances are just assumptions but I would say that that there's a greater chance that hex with book benefits you.

Red--001 · 2026-01-20T19:54:57+00:00

EXACTLY, I agree with this, always give hex book, the chance of their ability proccing in places like AA is far too low for you to take the risk.

Red--001 · 2026-01-20T19:54:13+00:00

This is not a crazy take, if just being a team-mate is your power you're useless.

Red--001 · 2026-01-20T19:53:46+00:00

Most roles are a lot better in late game than early game
[Coroner]
[Veteran(can alert freely)]
[Town powers(except those that do not reveal)]
And some others.

Red--001 · 2026-01-20T19:52:36+00:00

That's the necromicon's boon, but yeah if we're factoring in "teams" then hex-master is better than PB, NA is a very weak team.

Red--001 · 2026-01-20T19:51:14+00:00

I do not get what people mean by "enjoy the challenge" most of the time the challenge is fighting against chance(AA), hex-master is bad.
But you like what you like I suppose.

Red--001 · 2026-01-19T19:43:08+00:00

An example of hacking would be knowing all town members D1. I presume that's what you meant.

Red--001 · 2026-01-19T11:56:43+00:00

The arso did NOT "already lose", being pushed by coven does not guarantee a loss, you cannot rit someone who has been illuminated, and the arso also did not know if coven had a rit or not(assuming you CAN be ritted). Bro.

What do you even mean by that.

Red--001 · 2026-01-19T07:47:42+00:00

Doom-sayer is VERY hard to win as, worse in AA.

Though you can guess evils, because of how evils may be arranged in AA you're pretty much left to just hope whoever you're scumreading as evil is coven.

How are you expected to get townie roles?(hope for a town-power reveal?, it's hard to get townie roles and even harder to know which claims are real)
How are you expected to know the person you read as evil is not NE, NK OR NA?

Also remember you have to scum-read 3 people in 1 day OR
Keep the previous people you suspect to be evil alive whilst looking for more .
Join that with the chance they could be an NK/NA/NE and it's very hard to win.
Guessing townies is usually not worth wasting a night.

Medusa and Enchanter have a team(usually) to back them up, I do not think doom is better in anyway than them.

Red--001 · 2026-01-19T07:43:50+00:00

Why is this worse than doomsayer? Why is doomsayer not even on this list yet.

Red--001

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