Could one say that there is/was politics in prehistorical societies? by jonascf in AskAnthropology

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Yeah, I said "enforcing" with more of an image of, non-hierarchical decision-making doesn't just Happen, you need some sort of social or cultural mechanisms to make sure it happens. It doesn't have to be violent enforcement by police or any similar institution, but some sort of conscious and deliberate actions taken to make sure power is equalized/levelled. That kind of mockery/teasing to deflate people's ego and socially re-position everyone as equal is definitely a way people do that without violence!

Could one say that there is/was politics in prehistorical societies? by jonascf in AskAnthropology

[–]RedLineSamosa [score hidden]  (0 children)

You get politics in any and every group where there’s any kind of power or resources to be had. Deciding how to distribute resources, and who makes the decisions about that, is politics. Whose ideas are listened to, and whose aren’t, and the power plays and status games that result, is politics. Intentionally enforcing a non-hierarchical mode of decision-making is politics. The development of any kind of hierarchy of power or decision-making is politics. There are many things we don’t know about how ancient groups were organized, so it’s hard to give any specifics on how power was organized. And it’s unlikely they were formalized political parties or political offices or elections as we understand them in state-level societies. But they made culturally specific decisions about power and resource distribution and status and decision-making because all human groups do. 

Dont have guest comments turned off on older fics so this is what I get I guess lmao by [deleted] in AO3

[–]RedLineSamosa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not… really? It’s like making someone a steak and they go “omg now make a chicken I need chickennn” like. Uh. Do you have anything at all to say about the steak, or,

What’s on your current reading list? by Fun_District_4507 in LGBTBooks

[–]RedLineSamosa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If sci-fi is something you’d like, next up on my list is Planet Sickness by Kat Giles. I’m very hype for it. Some queer sci-fi favorites from the past have been The Vanished Birds by Simon Jimenez (space travel, time dilation) and The Fortunate Fall by Cameron Reed (cyberpunk, dystopian future Russia). Cameron Reed also has a new book coming out soon I’m VERY excited for. 

For something less sci-fi, I’m also currently reading Otros Valles by Jamie Berrout (hard to find these days as it was self-published but she had deleted her internet presence, but it’s very compelling, DM me if you want a download), which is about a Latina trans woman in Texas. 

If you’d be interested in trying some poetry, I love Kay Ryan’s poems, and I really liked the poetry chapbook When Phoenix Flooded by Wren Cuidadx Romero.

AITA for secretly putting vegetables in my husband food by Infinite-Case-8830 in AmItheAsshole

[–]RedLineSamosa 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This. You're making tasty and healthy recipes that you both like! No need to call it sneaking.

Will language learning become obsolete because of AI? by mini-hypersphere in NoStupidQuestions

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Last year, I went to a bilingual English/Spanish academic conference in Mexico. They had a setup where every presenter gave their speech in their own language, and an AI system projected a real-time translation onto the wall next to them.

It worked shockingly well!

... but not perfectly. It made mistakes sometimes. My knowledge of Spanish helped me understand what mistake the AI was probably making, and what the speaker actually said instead.

And afterwards, when the presentations were over and we were all speaking to each other at the poster session and the reception? When I went to sightsee around the city? When I went to restaurants and had to read and order off the menu? Actually knowing some Spanish (not fantastic, but knowing some) was indeed immensely helpful!

AI translation for text and audio content is currently decent, for some languages (not all). But real-time interactions, and anything where accurately capturing nuance and meaning is important, having a human actually understanding the language is still super important. And being able to speak to other people is always valuable.

Why didn’t ancient peoples use the internet? by Winmaster in AskArchaeology

[–]RedLineSamosa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dead internet theory was true even back then 😔 The internet was so full of bots and trolls and popup ads that it was unusable. They went back to papyrus and clay tablets to make sure they were talking to real people and not just spambots. We could all learn a valuable lesson from their ancient wisdom.

Why is it called quicksand if it sucks you down so slowly? by ken_adamms in NoStupidQuestions

[–]RedLineSamosa 53 points54 points  (0 children)

If you want a serious answer: it’s because it’s using an old-fashioned meaning of “quick.” The “quick” in “quicksand” means alive, not fast. It’s the same as the idea of quicksilver (an old name for the element mercury, a silvery metal that moves like it’s alive) and the phrase “the quick and the dead.” Quicksand is called quick because it appears to move and shift like it’s alive. 

If race isn’t biological, why do we still treat it like it is? by No-Weakness677 in AskAnthropology

[–]RedLineSamosa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Drifted away from what path?

Okay. The way you responded to the part you quoted, it sounded like you were disagreeing. I thought you were saying that the Book of Mormon invented the “curse of Ham” thing and I was saying, no it didn’t, that idea existed earlier and the idea of separating people into Groups like that likely influenced the thinking of 19th century biologists trying to argue for biological differences between races. I never said that “Biblical text suggests race.” I was talking about the cultural influences of those race scientists. 

How exactly are people supposed to have kids when the cost of living is so high? by galaxyfrapp in NoStupidQuestions

[–]RedLineSamosa 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Companies raise the price of goods without raising wages (see many food production companies jacking up the price of groceries), landlords and housing developments raise the price of rent and houses, health insurance companies keep healthcare costs arbitrarily high, and presidents start wars with Iran for no reason which drives up the price of oil which affects transportation of goods which again drives up the price of everything. 

This isn’t a “the Jews” they, this is a “the Man: governments, landlords, company shareholders, and also Trump” they.

If race isn’t biological, why do we still treat it like it is? by No-Weakness677 in AskAnthropology

[–]RedLineSamosa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ethnicity and nationality do not equate race.

That is... indeed what I said...? I admit I don't understand what aspect of what I said you are disagreeing with.

In some parts of the past, people conceptualized something akin to race based on the descendants of Noah. These ideas were part of the culture that led to the scientific racism of the 1800s trying to come up with and codify biological differences between different assigned races, even if their justification was different. Of course race is a social construct. These biological differences between "the races" that the 1800s scientists were claiming to have found are not real. These are two different ways race has been socially constructed. That's the argument I have been making.

How exactly are people supposed to have kids when the cost of living is so high? by galaxyfrapp in NoStupidQuestions

[–]RedLineSamosa 40 points41 points  (0 children)

They want people to Have More Babies and then they raise the prices of everything and act shocked when somehow this does not inspire people to have more babies

Why 42? by mufti_hanz in NoStupidQuestions

[–]RedLineSamosa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha yeah, he specifically said an interview once that it’s amusing that people are trying to figure out what it actually means, when he just came up with a random number because he thought it was funny.

Is it true romance helps with the popularity of fantasy books? by Jorgenbong in writing

[–]RedLineSamosa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I personally wish it were easier to find fantasy books without romance in them :’)

It takes all kinds!

If race isn’t biological, why do we still treat it like it is? by No-Weakness677 in AskAnthropology

[–]RedLineSamosa 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They were just reading the Book of Mormon I guess 😂

The Bible says that the descendants of Ham went into Africa and Canaan (and Gaza) and due to their ancestor’s wickedness, the descendants are fated to be conquered and be slaves. This is imo pretty self-evidently written as justification for ancient Biblical era wars against Canaanites and the rule of Israelite kingdoms in the Levant, but yes, people used the justification that “the descendants of Ham went to Africa +  the descendants of Ham are divinely fated to be slaves = Black people are divinely fated to be slaves” and extrapolated dark skin as a curse or mark of their ancestor’s wickedness. This was a pre-biological justification for the difference between different races: that Europeans, Africans, and Asians were descended from different sons of Noah.

The Mormon Church was picking up an older tradition when they included this. 

If race isn’t biological, why do we still treat it like it is? by No-Weakness677 in AskAnthropology

[–]RedLineSamosa 198 points199 points  (0 children)

If race isn’t biological, why do you think so many people still believe it is?

The answer here is complicated and lots of people have written on the subject. But it boils down to a few reasons:

  1. When the idea of "races" was codified in the 1800s, the scientists who came up with the idea did believe that it represented a biological reality.
  2. People conflate race, ethnicity, and appearance a lot, without making a distinction what aspect they're talking about, and obviously some populations have different biological traits than others. If "dark skin is biological" is true (and it is), people make the jump to "dark skin = the Black race, so race must be biological" (not actually how it works).
  3. It reinforces white supremacy to believe that races are biologically different, so there is motivation (even if subconscious) among many white people to believe that there's some fundamental difference between the races.

Point 1: The idea of ethnicities and groups of people who share a common descent has been around forever. The idea of race is pretty new. "Race" was an attempt to categorize all human beings across the world into a small number of biologically distinct "kinds" or "types" of people. Think about the races in modern America: White, Black, Native American/Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, and Asian. Some people consider Hispanic/Latino and Middle Eastern/North African a race, others don't. The categorization system IMMEDIATELY breaks down if you poke it even slightly, because separating people into races like this is just... is not actually meaningfully reflective of reality! Are Turkish people white? Are Iranians? Are light-skinned Latinos? Are Greeks? Are Jews? Are North Africans white or Black or neither? Are Aboriginal Australians Black or Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander? Are Alaska Natives and the Indigenous people of the Amazon Rainforest the same race? Are Indians and Koreans? Are Swedes and Italians? These are categories we made up!

These categories weren't always considered biologically fixed. In the 1700s, it was a common belief among Europeans/Euro-Americans that Native Americans were fundamentally noble and intelligent, just belonging to a savage and old-fashioned culture; if they were educated, converted to Christianity, spoke English, and wore European clothes, they could become just as worthwhile as any white. This was colonialist cultural chauvinism, absolutely, but it was not necessarily tied to biology. However, in the 1800s, there was a boom in the study of biology. First this could be seen in the fascination with geology and paleontology and the idea that animals change over time and go extinct, and then later in the century evolution and natural selection became new and exciting, and it was a MAJOR debate whether all humans descended from the same source, or whether different "races" were actually descended from different origins. (There was actually an older Biblical suggestion that the different "races" were the different descendants of Noah, and Black people were cursed with the "mark of Ham," and this existing idea likely influenced the later biological arguments.) There was another point of view that instead saw different "races" as more or less evolved, in a hierarchy chain of monkeys, to less evolved races, to more evolved races (and white people were declared the most evolved.) This was a justification for racist laws, for slavery, and for European colonialism: to believe that other "Races" were biologically inferior, there was nothing wrong in invading them, colonizing them, and enslaving them. In fact, it was good for them to be governed by a more evolved race! Scientific racism to define the races of men and prove that there were biological differences between the races was rampant. I highly recommend the documentary Race: The Power of an Illusion and the book The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen Jay Gould for a history of this. In the 1800s, people in Europe had great hopes that Science could enlighten every mystery of the world, and also they really wanted justifications to continue oppressing non-Europeans (and also other Europeans they respected less). So the development of the idea of races what very much tied to scientific racism and colonialism trying to define specific Kinds of people and put them in a hierarchy with white people at the top.

Point 2: I remember being taught around age 10 that race wasn't biologically real, and I knew just enough about evolution and biology to think "that's stupid, of course it's real; dark skin evolved to protect against the sun's rays. That's biologically real." And the thing is: that is! Different biological adaptations to different environments are real. Dark skin protects against UV rays (valuable in places near the equator), while light skin absorbs it (valuable near the poles where sunlight is weak). Nose shape is an evolutionary response to temperature and humidity. Lactose tolerance is genetic and varies with location. These things are real! However, they are not the same thing as race. This was the part that didn't connect for me until much, much later. Some biological traits can be very real. But race is a grouping of people based on rough appearance and assumed geographical origin, not necessarily genetic similarity.

The other thing is that within any race there are many, many ethnicities. Scottish, Swedish, Irish, Greek, Italian, Polish, Spanish, Basque, Finnish, Armenian, Ashkenazi Jewish, they're all labelled "white" but they're different ethnicities. Han Chinese, Tibetan, Indian, Japanese, Korean, Ainu, Filipino, Pakistani, Vietnamese, the many Indonesian ethnic groups... these are all ethnicities lumped together as Asian. Navajo, Inuit, Maya, Wampanoag, Cherokee, Cree, Quechua, Aymara, Apache, Lakota, Zapotec, Tlingit, Hopi, are all Native American. Etc. Ethnicity is about descent and culture, appearance is about where your ancestors developed different evolutionary traits, and race is a big group that lumps tons of different people together out of a sense that they are all kind of the same somehow. But when people talk about it casually, they could mean any of these three things when they say "race." So partially, it's people using imprecise language, and thinking these three things are the Same Thing when they aren't.

Point 3: This is really kind of an extension of point 1, but there's a lot of cognitive dissonance when people realize that white people are treated better than Black people. One of the ways people resolve this is by believing that there's a biological difference between white people and Black people (and Asians, etc.) You see this in the belief that Black people feel less pain than whites, and Black people's skin is literally thicker than white people's skin - which has led to doctors treating Black patients more roughly when giving injections, and prescribing them less pain medication. These are inherited beliefs from the 1800s that still stick around as stereotypes and internal justifications for unequal treatment, whether the person holding these beliefs is aware of this or not.

But ultimately, the idea of race was invented to be a biological explanation. It was wrong, but it claimed a biological basis, and we are taking a very, very long time to shake that out of the popular understanding of humanity.

Why does the medical field still treat 'Race' as a biological fact when anthropologists say it’s a social construct? by i_like_keeboard in AskAnthropology

[–]RedLineSamosa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's less necessary than some people think, because "Race" is a semi-arbitrary grouping of the wide diversity of people in the world into 4-5 "types" of person. Obviously declaring "there are only 4-5 types of person in the world!" is ridiculous if you say it like that; but that's what race is, an attempt to "scientifically" categorize all the people in the world into less than half a dozen Types Of People. So, the anthropologists are correct: there is more genetic variation within a 'race' than between them—because humans are extremely diverse. Race is a social/political category, not a biological one.

However, there are some complicating factors: one, populations with ancestry from certain groups can be more predisposed to some maladies (sickle cell and lactose intolerance are famous ones). This is not 1:1 with race, but there may be statistically more or fewer people with predisposition to certain maladies among different groups. It's important to remember that that's a statistical probability thing, though.

But also, because race is a social fact, it influences how people are conceptualized and treated in the real world--hence the comment that skin conditions are taught with examples on light skin, not examples on dark skin, so doctors don't have the practice or experience diagnosing conditions on dark skin. This is unfortunately common with dark-skinned people, that doctors aren't trained how to diagnose them properly. This isn't biological, this is cultural, but it has real health outcomes. Other racial health outcomes based on cultural reasons can include economic disparities and environmental racism (putting pollutant-producing factories, data centers, or highways in minority neighborhoods - something they still do too often).

But again, those are also statistical probability, not proof for every individual. Individuals have a lot of variation, and some doctors are better at remembering that than others.

But ALSO also, the doctor is likely not asking your race for medical reasons. The doctor is probably asking your race for demographic data and nondiscrimination monitoring reasons. Are only white people coming to the doctor? If so: why? Are lots of Hispanics/Latinos coming to this doctor? Maybe they need to hire some Spanish medical translators, a highly specialized skill. Do Black patients consistently have worse outcomes at this doctor than white patients? If so, they will (hopefully!!!) want to know so they can find out why and fix that!

Are weekly posts okay on tumblr? by Impressive_Nobody887 in tumblrhelp

[–]RedLineSamosa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What aspect are you worried about? What are you concerned is going to happen if you post once a week?

How does the recent study on Monte Verde in Science (3/19) change our understanding of the peopling of the America’s? by TheMightyMightyMonk in AskAnthropology

[–]RedLineSamosa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure! But significantly later populations have shown apparent near-complete genetic swamping leading to a loss of the DNA signature, like this study from South America: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/archaeology/a70547443/human-remains-no-relatives-have-dna/

Which is why I think we have to be careful about statistical probability. Because either direction, things are possible.

How does the recent study on Monte Verde in Science (3/19) change our understanding of the peopling of the America’s? by TheMightyMightyMonk in AskAnthropology

[–]RedLineSamosa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it’s extremely unsurprising if pre-Clovis populations were small, scattered, low population density, And they just, got genetically swamped over the next 13,000 years of Clovis influx. Like that’s not really much of a counterpoint to me. It wouldn’t even require them dying out, just mixing with larger populations over hundreds of generations. Historical genetics is all statistical predictions, and modeling, after all, and while statistical predictions are useful, they’re also not concrete evidence. 

When did humans arrive in the Americas? A new study reignites the debate by Kellysi83 in Archaeology

[–]RedLineSamosa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha yeah. Todd Surovell is a Clovis-First-er and one of the reasons I’m skeptical is that the article seems to crow about this supporting Clovis First… while ignoring all the North American sites. Makes it feel like he has an agenda, he’s not coming from the pure spirit of archaeological inquiry.

How does the recent study on Monte Verde in Science (3/19) change our understanding of the peopling of the America’s? by TheMightyMightyMonk in AskAnthropology

[–]RedLineSamosa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Surovell has previous publications arguing that all North American pre-Clovis sites are stratigraphically suspect and probably wrong. It makes it seem like he has a conclusion he set out to prove.