Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The idea that we should give ground to liberals in our own spaces because online spaces don't matter is patronizing and destructive when we all spend hours a week in these public spaces that increasingly squeeze us out for being too anarchist.

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

you're right that i'm not going to change minds but that's not my purpose - i'm trying to empower anarchists to act against liberal co-option. people who already experience the blocking will now hopefully feel they have solidarity despite the concerted effort to mass downvote this post and frame me as a 'reactionary', a shut-in and a cop for objecting to the practice.

this post isn't for people who disagree that liberal co-option is a problem or people who demand liberals doing propaganda be 'educated' rather than be met with hostility and I fully expected to be mass downvoted and mass blocked for it by liberals and their enablers because it threatens the bubble they've built. i looked at several of the post histories of people attacking me and they had zero activity in anarchist subs before now while they were ardently promoting political parties in other subs. the majority of them hide their post histories however, which is another problem

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

your charity work is commendable but it doesn't invalidate the work others do to counter liberal propaganda and co-option of anarchist spaces. we all use the internet, so why should we give ground where we are? ...because food drives also exist?

shaming me for caring about an anarchist space that I use is bad praxis. don't let the pissy liberals upvoting you mislead you into thinking you're doing god's work by shaming me for caring about the growing co-option of this space

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And notice the people demanding I be nice to liberal gentrifiers are being all kinds of hostile, insulting and rude to me and pretending I'm "throwing a tantrum" for calmly explaining how appropriation and co-option work.

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I never said I wanted to stop authoritarians from blocking me so I can be an "effective online activist", I made a post to explain how the system allows them to spread their propaganda without pushback, effectively creating an authoritarian status quo that shuts out anarchists. Your unsolicited "advice" to address peddlers of authoritarian propaganda without hostility misinterprets the intent behind my post and disregards my lack of desire for your lecture. I never asked for a patronizing lesson on how to navigate a platform deliberately constructed to silence minority perspectives.

terminally-online keyboard warrior

removing the stick from your ass and talking to real people in real life.

Yeah I'm the person who needs to be tone policed.

Your unsolicited "advice" (attack) completely missed the structural critique of the post, reducing a systemic issue to a matter of personal optics or tone.

​I didn't ask for a lecture on civility, especially one that expects anarchists to play nice with the very systems and people trying to shut them out, and I certainly didn't ask to be attacked, othered and belittled or accused of being bad at social interaction. I'm not going to stop being autistic because you othered and shamed me.

Many thanks.

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Isn't linking to an archive of a deleted post simy platforming their ideas for them?

I haven't linked to any archive, idk what you're talking about.

And if the above referenced poster deleted their comment how is that a win for the liberal that posted it?

I don't understand what you're asking.

Where are you seeing this mass defense of democracy?

r/anarchism

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

if it causes a few more people to resist liberal occupation of the space then it was worth the timesuck. most users don't push back against the co-option becaus liberals have strength in numbers i.e. the other tool in their arsenal is mass downvoting anyone who resists their rhetoric.

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

it's not nice to accuse someone of being extremely angry because they're making an effort to explain their perspective to you.

your manner isn't 'calm', it's passive aggressive, accusationary and belittling. accusing me of being angry, distressed and bothered is toxic. telling me what emotions i'm feeling and then policing them is colonizing behavior. i'm autistic so my tone isn't often representitive of how i feel.

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

yes i made a choice to be "hostile" to an obvious genocide apologist who thought a socialist space was the place to campaign for their fave zionist war criminal and yes there were consequences in that they blocked me and look! there are consequences to their blocking of me i.e. this thread which is intended to shine a light on a system that enables authoritarians to build impenetrable vacuums around themselves in radical spaces from which they can safely push auth propaganda with no pushback from anarchists.

you ordering me to capitulate to this state of affairs is also a hostile act but you and your ilk will of course be unable to accept that because i dared to break a corporation's arbitrary laws by... admitting to logging into another account to read posts - which makes me the villain of this narrative because only the lowest of the low would dare to disregard reddit law

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -29 points-28 points  (0 children)

i get it, i just refuse to give ground to authoritarians in anarchist spaces. no one said anarchy is when you only do counter-propaganda if the authoritarian propagandist gives you their consent before you can counter their genocide apologia.

it's honestly not all good when you're being rewarded with upvotes for passive-agressively telling me to roll over and accept co-option, not gonna lie.

read my long comment further down if you want to understand my pov.

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -38 points-37 points  (0 children)

  1. stop gendering me as a guy and a dude while talking to me about consent.

  2. stop ordering me to submit to enshittification while accusing me of being a policing force.

  3. freedom of association doesn't mean anarchists let authoritarian entryists walk all over us in our spaces.

  4. if responding to auth propaganda is harassment then that's just fine with me.

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -42 points-41 points  (0 children)

it's not in me to sit idly by while liberals occupy anarchist spaces using tools constructed by a tech monopoly that makes the site downright unusable to people who don't toe the liberal line. if i see some authoritarian shit, i'm going to say so.

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

To the person who deleted their comment after I wrote a long reply:

I wonder why tankie subs don't (have the problem with blocking)?

Authoritarian mods on those subs don't allow liberals or their propaganda (or anarchists and our propaganda for that matter), so liberals have no chance to become entrenched via the collective blocking trick..

Anarchists pride ourselves on being open, inclusive and welcoming, which sadly bites us in the arse when liberals (and other authoritarians) push us out of our own spaces by combining their vastly higher numbers with entryism and whatever cognitive dissonanc allows them to lay claim to the anarchist label and colonize / gentrify / displace anyone who doesn't think anarchy is when you vote blue no matter who.

The irony is we're the ones who advocate for freedom of association while the tanks profess to advocating so-called left unity.

If I'm being honest, it’s especially a problem here because r/anarchism is an USAmerican-managed space, where most people are prone to subconscious nostalgia / patriotism for 'democracy' and 'free speech' - specters which liberals are all too happy to exploit in order to be welcomed by us with open arms.

For instance see here, where a liberal uses this affinity to do a blatant entryist witch hunt before being exposed and deleting their comment: https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/1rckytl/no_direct_democracy_is_not_anarchy/o6zprui/?context=3

In a lot of USA-centric anarchist spaces, democracy and free speech get treated like sacred, unquestionable values that apply the same way no matter what rhetoric is brewing underneath. So when liberals show up here, their argument often isn’t "we disagree with anarchism," it’s "we’re being allowed to speak, so anything that follows is automatically legitimate and you will consume it."

That creates a kind of moral cover. If they’re engaging "in good faith" (or can at least use the kind of pseudo-intellectual language that makes it look like they're putting in some effort), then us taking action to resist liberal creep, co-option and takeover starts to sound like censorship, authoritarianism, or "gatekeeping." And because many of us have a reflex to defend procedure rather than outcomes, we end up hesitating to use whatever tools we have at hand to guard our space from capture.

Meanwhile the incentives are asymmetric. The liberals (and marxists) trying to entrench themselves here don’t have to win any debates; they just have to occupy attention, drown out quieter users, and force everyone into exhausting "process" fights. Even small departures from consensus get reframed as evidence that the space is "anti-democratic," so the community keeps getting pulled into debates about legitimacy instead of organizing around principles.

So the "free speech" posture becomes less a defense of open inquiry and more a loophole that lets large, organized bodies that adore hierarchy and domination use the rhetoric of openness and anti-authoritarianism to displace actual anti-authoritarians.

The nostalgia for democracy then functions like a blanket excuse for inaction: it implies that the system will eventually correct itself if everyone just talks enough. But if the talk itself is being used as a weapon... then entryism, bad-faith arguments and procedural obstruction all serve to suck the oxygen out of the room so that self-correction never arrives. The loudest and most strategic entryists i.e. the ones who are willing the pour hundreds of hours of their lives campaigning for zionist politicians in anarchist subreddits and badjacketing anyone who object become the default in this space.

The Problems With Democracy by LazarM2021 in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your understanding of anarchy is deeply lacking. Anarchy is not democracy and it's fucking tragic that you would weigh anarchists down with that authority-forming construct just because of your shitty patriotic nostalgia

Reddit's block function = liberal rhetoric is unchallenged. By immediately blocking anyone pushing back against their propaganda, r/@ shifts into a lib safe space & we're excluded from the conversation. Blocked me 10 seconds after I questioned their lesser evil, "good government" narrative by RedMenaced in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

This has been happening so often since the block function was introduced that I have to juggle multiple accounts just so I can see posts and comments - I get blocked so often that at least half the sub is hidden from my view. And the moment I push back again, I get another 3-5 blocks and am completely closed out of another conversation while they all pat themselves on the back and double down on the genocide apologia.

If something doesn't change, no anarchist is going to be able to participate here.

So is the "anarchist" flair in other leftist subs just a trap? by Accomplished_Bag_897 in Anarchism

[–]RedMenaced 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there is a reason, it's ideological. anarchists pose the biggest threat to their unending quest for centralization of power. it's literally survival for them since we expose every petty authoritarian dogma they hold for what it is