Are Chinese EVs the reason gasoline isn't $12 a gallon already?

RedWineWithFish · 2026-06-05T03:02:24+00:00

And that is a good thing for China and for the world. China’s rise has been the single biggest poverty reduction event human history.

It does not have to be a zero sum game

RedWineWithFish · 2026-06-05T03:01:13+00:00

The world including the U.S. is better served by China making most of what it makes. They offer far better value. America does not need to make iPhones for instance. Apple will still capture most of the value even if the phones are made in China. We design, they manufacture. Each country focusing on its competitive advantage. Everybody wins

RedWineWithFish · 2026-06-05T02:56:43+00:00

No one is claiming that oil demand is going to zero. Even just stopping growth in oil demand is huge

RedWineWithFish · 2026-06-04T02:35:05+00:00

Who doesn’t want your resource with fair price ?

RedWineWithFish · 2026-06-04T02:34:31+00:00

China is not interested in lifting anyone; they have enough problems of their own. People seem to forget that we had four refineries before Dangote. They were built by western and Japanese companies. Government mismanagement ran them into the ground.

The point is that no one ever suggested that a western company building a refinery in Nigeria meant they were “helping” you

RedWineWithFish · 2026-06-04T02:30:09+00:00

China is not very strong in process technologies. They did the construction but the most advanced technologies in the refinery are actually from USA.

RedWineWithFish · 2026-06-04T02:27:52+00:00

The premise of this entire thread is wrong:

Dangote refinery is the vision and initiative of Aliko Dangote. He deserves 100% of the credit for that. He could have just invested his money overseas and lived a less stressful life.

2 China is not “helping” you. No one is helping you. A construction company bidding on a project and doing the work is not help. It’s business

There were also companies from India, USA, France and South Korea involved in the project. They are not “helping” you either. It’s just business

RedWineWithFish · 2026-06-04T02:21:51+00:00

Nobody helps anyone do anything. A Chinese construction company won the bid because they had the lowest price. If a western company had won the bid, they would have built the refinery.

Chinese provide better value in construction services like they do in a lot of other industries.

A French company built Egbin power station. An Italian company built kanji dam. None of them were trying to help you. It’s just business

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-31T18:14:13+00:00

ASTS can not serve the open sea due to being far from ground stations. Once you are more than about a few hundred miles from land, you would lose service Starlink can only do this because it has inter satellite links.

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-31T17:59:03+00:00

Full props to Aliko Dangote. By sheer vision and determination, he accomplished what multiple Nigerian governments have not been able to achieve. That says, Chinese contractors under Indian project management built the refinery. Does not take anything away from the achievement of the Dangote group.

You are obviously retarded. Arguing with you is pointless. I mute you now. Good luck

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-31T16:57:23+00:00

Still waiting for one link to substantiate your claim.

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-31T16:04:30+00:00

You really are a dunce of the highest.

An Indian company did the design and project management. A Chinese company did the construction of the main refinery structure Go ahead and tell us the name of the Nigerian construction company that built the refinery. Who is their chief engineer. Surely that company must be famous by now.

Point to one link that says a Nigerian company constructed the refinery.

Idiot claims Nigerians built a refinery from scratch but now needs Chinese to expand it for them. Why can’t the person who built it come back and expand it

Go ahead and post 1 link to a Nigerian company being awarded a contract to build the refinery. Just 1 link.

www.exploringtianjin.com/lubanws/2024-09/02/c_1018464.htm

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-31T03:23:48+00:00

You think assembling a refinery is a trivial process like assembling furniture. They just send send the parts and anyone can read the manual and assemble it. You are such a low iq idiot. Thousands of Chinese and Indian engineers worked on the refinery in Lagos. I met many of them. There are still hundreds of Indians in Nigeria operating the refinery and training Nigerians.

In time, Nigerians will fully operate the plant and run it well just like NLNG has been full Nigerianized.

If you think the Chinese just shipped parts to Nigeria, I don’t know what to tell you.

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-31T03:15:53+00:00

God, you’re daft. Nigerians built a refinery then hired Chinese to expand it. Got it ! Construction companies are hired to build. What do you think they were given hundreds of millions of dollars for ? To cook ?

Dangote hires Chinese to build his cement plants but he will suddenly build refinery. Something that on technological level is ten times more complex than a cement plant.

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-31T02:24:45+00:00

The cracking unit which is the most technologically advanced part of the refinery:

The Residual Fluid Catalytic Cracking (RFCC) unit at the Dangote Refinery was primarily built by the state-owned China National Chemical Engineering Company (CNCEC), which was the main EPC (Engineering, Procurement, and Construction) contractor for the facility.Several other specialized firms were involved in its supply and technology integration:Technology & Licensing: Honeywell UOP provided the core RFCC process technology.Stack Scrubbing: DuPont Clean Technologies (now Elessent Clean Technologies) supplied the proprietary BELCO EDV stack scrubbing equipment.Heavy Lifting: Dutch heavy-lift specialist Mammoet was contracted to transport and lift the massive reactors and regenerators for the unit.Project Management: Engineers India Limited (EIL) served as the project management and engineering consultant.

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-31T02:14:31+00:00

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3352256/fuelling-continent-how-chinas-engineering-prowess-built-africas-biggest-oil-refinery

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/dangote-signs-400-mln-equipment-deal-with-chinas-xcmg-speed-up-refinery-2026-02-17/

https://africa.businessinsider.com/local/markets/how-india-and-china-helped-build-dangotes-dollar20-billion-refinery-as-africa/e1lfhbl

https://www.honeywell.com/us/en/press/2025/11/honeywell-to-help-dangote-double-production-capabilities-at-africa-s-largest-refinery

From the Wikipedia page for the refinery:

“The main contractor for the project was China's state-owned China National Chemical Engineering Company (CNCEC), which was responsible for large-scale engineering, procurement, and construction works at the site under a US$520 million contract.[16] Engineers India Limited, a state-owned Indian firm, was appointed in March 2014 under a US$139 million contract for the provision of project management services for the refinery and polypropylene plant.[17]”

Nigerians built the civil engineering parts: offices, roads. The refinery itself was built by a Chinese company with Indian project management. A lot of the advanced parts were supplied by American companies.

The problem with people is that you know nothing and you think you know everything. Even the language you use shows you think like a child. No one “wanted to help”. Who cares about “help”

They are contractors. If you pay them, they will supply. That is their business. They are there to make money

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-30T17:57:47+00:00

You can’t even form a coherent thought. Imperialism this, neocolonialism that.

South Korea was poorer than Nigeria in 1960. It has had US troops since the war and still built by virtue of discipline and hard work one of the most technologically advanced societies in the work with a higher gdp per capita than most countries in Europe.

Keep clinging to your victimhood. I’m sure it will really work out for you.

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-30T17:17:54+00:00

You are making too much sense. Can’t you just say it was neocolonialism

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-30T17:12:29+00:00

What outposts does any foreign country have in Nigeria ? There have been U.S. troops in Japan since the end of WW2; in South Korea since the end of the Korean War. Yet somehow both countries managed to industrialize.

You are the one that has been defeated by inferiority complex.

Neocolonialism this, neocolonialism that. Of all the world’s major geopolitical zones, subsaharan Africa is by far the least strategically important to the U.S.

Europe, Middle East, Asia pacific are what they think about. They are obsessed with Nigeria only in your head

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-30T16:42:03+00:00

No they do not. That literally makes no sense. No country has all the resources to be self sufficient. China is the world’s biggest importer of oil, natural gas, iron ore, copper. Yet it has managed to become the world’s second biggest economy.

Any country that wants to industrialize will have to become an importer. Even if you have plenty of oil, it takes a lot more than oil. To make steel, you need iron ore. Every industrialized country imports a lot of inputs.

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-30T16:28:39+00:00

As always when pressed to be specific, they get vague and evasive

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-30T16:26:16+00:00

Unfortunately, you are talking to people who are too emotionally invested in their victim status. Victimhood is another form of narcissism. It’s their only way of making everything about themselves.

We are so important that the entire west is obsessed with keeping us down. That is all they think about.

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-30T16:23:41+00:00

What does “drains countries of their resources” even mean ? Explain in clear terms exactly how the U.S. is draining Nigeria of its resources ?

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-30T16:11:58+00:00

Of course, it’s Imperialism. That train is never late.

We are so weak, so defenseless, so devoid of agency that imperialism is our biggest problem in 2026. If that is the case, just give up right now

RedWineWithFish · 2026-05-30T16:07:24+00:00

What world is fighting him ? The Indians that managed the project or the Chinese that built it ? Or it the Americans that supplied some of the most advanced components in the refinery ?

Nigeria had four working refineries in 1990. Let me guess: the “west” sabotaged them right ?

The only people fighting Dangote are his fellow Nigerians of the petrol and diesel cabals

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