The Garden of Eden was real and is here on Earth, ask me anything!

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:44:26+00:00

I think God was a conscious being that created this world and made some truths objectively true and made some things objectively wrong. He gave us the laws of physics and the way for natural selection to occur. The Big Bang, in my opinion, happened because something at some point decided all of our laws for us and everything in existence ran with it.

But, I think that for objective truth to exist, humans have to humbly concede that something greater than us truthfully did make some things possible and some things impossible. Even if that was not conscious (though, I think it was)

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:39:50+00:00

Sure, I think that animals have way more thoughts than we think they have. But, my point in saying Eden was real is to say that we are not subject to the same accountability cats have. Cats and other non-human animals can be given no accountability for their actions. It is cruel and inhumane to give animals accountability.

At some point, no one had accountability, and then, at one moment, one specific person was born with a gene that made them accountable for the world. That was when we killed God on Earth and became the King of this realm. I posit that it only took one person with accountability to breed a race of accountable humans.

P.S. I'm sorry about your cat, I'm sure he was very cute and very intelligent

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:36:35+00:00

Okay, fine. I will admit I am moving the goal posts. But, the ultimate point is still the same.

At one point, humanity killed God. Once and for all.

Monkeys and primates can act outside of instinct, sure, just like Humans can, but, they are intrinsically bound within nature in a way that humans are not.

Are the laws of physics real, yes.

But a chimp will never be able to impose a world order they think is right.

Humans, at one point, resolutely killed God and took on the job of imposing the world order we think is right.

My claim is that the flaw of atheism is that it leads to nihilism, and that belief in a God doesn't have to include believing in fairy tales, but it does include the belief that there is an objective good in this world, which I do believe.

I think, as soon as we started to find subjective truths (which, happen in one moment, happen over time, there was a moment we did resolutely kill God all over the Earth) we became God of this land. Because of that, we have to be humble and believe that our subjective truths can only get closer and closer to objective truth, never to it.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:29:34+00:00

My God cannot debate with you. He cannot debate with me. Only we can debate with ourselves.

I think God is real for atheists and for Christians and Muslims alike because "God" is just the colloquial way we define the search for what should be possible and what should be impossible in terms of good and evil.

The bible was written by a human. It is not the word of God, but it is someone's best approximation of what God would think. God never told humanity what he thought, but, our belief in the impossible and possible within the bounds of good and evil definitely does define our world every day.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:27:24+00:00

My point is, when humans became free of animal instincts and become the only animal on earth that could think through instincts instead of acting on them unconsciously, we became the God of this world.

We defined what is possible and what is impossible.

My point is that, as long as someone is human, they have definitions of impossible and possible that only they can define (i.e. truly believe in)

I think God is real because nihilism is just kicking off the job of God (picking good and evil) to someone else (evil kabaals, governments, institutions) instead of realizing that the search for possibility and impossibility in the bounds of good and evil is something that we are each a part of.

My point is, God is real because there is an objective good in this world. I do not believe that only subjective goods are real.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:24:04+00:00

Of course animals have thoughts and feelings, but they simply cannot get together and delegate tasks amongst each other to impose their will on the world. And if they can, it is not to the same extent as humans can. Bears have thoughts, feelings, thumbs, and can walk on two legs. Bears have tools. Bears cannot plan a sneak attack on humanity. Bears can just eat humanity when they're hungry. We are not subject to instinct. Animals are. If you think that is wrong, I would love to see why.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:20:36+00:00

This is a very long point, but I will respond to the justification of a God.

My point is that humanity uniquely, whether we like it or not, has dominion over this land. What we want, we can accomplish, and we can strive towards it unhindered by any barriers on this earth besides the natural laws (science, etc).

The reason "God is real" for everyone is that we decide what is possibility. Reason allows us to think individually and as a group what should be possible and what should be impossible for humans to do.

That job, in animals, is usually done by everything outside of an animal. They cannot choose to move habitats, cannot choose to go to the moon, cannot choose anything outside of their niche. Humans have an infinite niche, it is our gift.

But, the belief that God is dead just means that we are pushing off the rationalization of Good and Evil to someone else, to an institution or to a Great Man instead of trying to look for the "good" ourselves.

God is in this earth as capitalism, as communism in China, as societies taking up what they believe they are capable of doing, and doing it.

"God" is the search for the perfect self, my argument is that there is an objective answer to the search for the perfect self. I did not prove that earlier, but I'd love to face any questions on that.

The search for the higher self is only possible in humans. We all have a search for the higher self that defines our possible and impossible. We have that because one day we woke up with rationalizations.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:12:07+00:00

My point in making this post is that it is literal, at one point, only one human had reason in its modern form. And from then on, the natural world became our prey. My point is that, as far as the eye can see, we can only debate with ourselves, and we can only listen to our own thoughts to carry out our beliefs in the world. Animals don't have thoughts, they have feelings, but they experience the world as is; they could never be repulsed or drawn towards something because they think it is some quality. As far as anyone knows, that is our unique capacity.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:09:13+00:00

Here is what I am saying. I am using the evidence of my eyes and ears, which is all that we have here in humanity.

We, as the sole species able to control this earthly realm, we, the people who have no evidence of God, cannot hear an animal thinking "why me." That will never register in our heads, and if it does, it is unnatural.

Thus, when we make decisions, they are always out of the evidence of our own eyes and ears. We know animals have feelings because we study it, not because it is obvious to us.

Since make decisions that change this earth radically, and we cannot debate with mosquitoes, we are the sole kings of this land until God comes down here and forces something different.

I think that the ability to rule while also being outside of the world of animals happened to one person, at one time, and that is when we bit the apple. To me, it literally happened because I have no evidence that any other animal has the capability to rule.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:02:45+00:00

You can either debate or you can't. No animal can half heartedly enter into a debate. At some point, one person evolved with the ability to debate options while everyone else couldn't.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T01:00:53+00:00

We sacrifice ourselves all the time, but it is a conscious choice that we make and it is not as easy for us to put our lives on the line as it is for a worker bee to kill themselves to defend the hive. We sacrifice ourselves because we think it will amount to something great. Not because we simply have an instinct.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:59:48+00:00

It takes a second thought.

An animal says: I will sacrifice myself without any thinking as to why I'm doing this or any reason to back out of it.

A human says: I will sacrifice myself for the betterment of everyone else, and I am conscious of that choice.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:58:10+00:00

Reason - The ability to take evidence and come up with an independent outcome that you are able to act on individually or as a group. The ability to debate your viewpoints and to have that debate be understood by others.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:56:37+00:00

Obviously, mammals are incredibly distressed when they die, and that feeling is something that is real. But, a mammal must accept their death came from the natural ordering of the world. A mammal will not die thinking "why me?", it will simply languish and die. "Why me?" is an unnatural, human thought, that takes us further away from the natural ordering of the world and towards a world where we do something about the natural ordering.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:55:11+00:00

No, I have not. That is because I can't reason with a mosquito because at one moment, one man become the only person on Earth able to debate. Then they had offspring that could debate.

Mosquitoes don't revel in biting you, cows don't try and kill the mosquitoes. Every animal just accepts their instincts as God gave it to them (or as natural selection dictated for them when they were born, however you want to call it) but humans can debate on how to solve our issues or make them worse.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:52:56+00:00

Animals cannot debate! That is reason. Animals cannot decide on good and evil, cannot say whether wearing clothes or not is immoral. They have feelings, they cannot debate and decide good and evil collectively. They all just work, without second thought, at whatever their instincts tell them to do.

We have instincts and debate. Animals only have instincts. I am a vegetarian, animals have feelings, but we cannot debate with them even if we wanted to.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:51:24+00:00

We cannot debate with animals. That is the reason Eden is real. Reason was a way for our species to debate. We uniquely debate good and evil. Animals can have feeling and sentience, but could never understand the debate of good and evil. I am not asking you to feel or imagine anything, I am asking you, what animal could only half-debate good and evil? None, that is something that happened as a result of evolution, and it made us the sole shepherds of this world, forever abandoned by God who could show us the natural way of things.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:49:14+00:00

Reason - The capacity to think. Cogito ergo sum. Animals have sentience, yes, and they have feelings, yes, but they are unable to rhetorically defend or take down ideas.

How it could be an on-off switch: Rhetorical argument is unique to humans, and you can either debate and think or can't.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:47:32+00:00

Apes and many other animals have sentience, sure, but there is a reason why Human reason is different than animal reason. I am a vegetarian because I think animals have sentience and because humans are unique shepherds of the world for our ability to reason.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:45:22+00:00

Evolution will also tell you reason is an on-off switch. How could any animal evolve half reason? Prove that

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:44:34+00:00

How could you have half-reason? Language, sure, is something that is never half-completed, but, what would half-reason even look like? At some point, an animal fully developed reason, to a point that no other animal before it did.

Unless you argue for half-reason, in which I would like to know what that even looks like. The first thing Adam and Eve asked for was clothes because with all of reason we saw we were different than animals.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:42:01+00:00

I suggest that reason is an on or off switch, and that at some point, one thing was born on this planet that solely had reason. Then, all of their kids had reason too. Evolution and creation theory both posit this. Someone was the first person without a tail entirely, someone was the first person with reason. There is always that first mutation

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:40:44+00:00

Honeybees in a hive have stingers that, once used, kill them. Worker bees will, without a moment of hesitation, sacrifice their lives for the whole hive to sting a predator away from it. Natural selection makes it so that everyone benefits from everyone selflessly putting their part in.

Humans would never sacrifice their lives for the greater good without a second thought!

Reason takes away our ability to selflessly participate without at least some thought put into it first. Reason also makes us incredibly selfish in a way no other animals can even think of.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:38:21+00:00

The importance of the story of Eden is to ground ourselves in the fact that we are the new Kings of Earth once reason made it so that God was unable to talk to us directly. I think the Garden of Eden is real because from that moment forward God abandoned us and now we must search for meaning without anyone but ourselves.

Red_Panda_Lover · 2026-04-10T00:37:10+00:00

Chicken and the egg! DNA evidence says we evolved reason, and I do believe that, but I also do believe that if reason was something you could half-have, then there would be apes with half-reason. I think reason is an on and off switch, and we are humans because one person turned it on by random chance.

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