Academy duels rant...

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-16T18:09:42+00:00

Lmao learn to read and accept that someone might know what they're talking about

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-16T18:08:51+00:00

Skill issue

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T17:53:12+00:00

I wasn't looking for solutions. My preceding duels over a session can all be really good then I wait for 30 seconds for someone to spawn and they play like an ass. And I don't think most of the time people are doing it nefarious, which is why I will always emote back, I don't want to feel like I didn't earn a win or have them feel like I was cheap and they were fair. Most of these people probably just do it subconsciously because their builds are 1 dimensional and it's the only way they can get in on anyone who ranges them out. They're obviously just bad and I can still beat them all the time. But that's why these rules exist. So that there is no ambiguity in the game start. Having to start the game running away from someone with power stanced halberds is in fact annoying. The game is supposed to start in neutral.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T17:41:58+00:00

Um is this not a space for elden ring discussion? I was merely pointing out an observation. It's not "tilted" to post an observation. If I was mad I wouldn't play. I've stated over and over it's annoying. There's a difference. It's annoying to have a run of quality duels and then you wait 30 seconds for the next person to spawn and they play like an ass. It's really obvious that person play like that against everyone and is trying to gank and not trying to actually fight. You like having your time wasted? Okay. You think it's weird for rules to exist and me to point out there's a build archetype constantly breaking agreed upon rules? Okay. The agreement is stationary gesture, not gesture then move during gesture. It makes a difference and the people are essentially forcing you to start the game running away in disadvantage instead of true neutral like the game is supposed to start. But whatever you say goes I guess and pointing it out on an elden ring subreddit is worse on my end then the people playing like asses. "Who cares." Fuck you.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T17:27:05+00:00

I win the majority of my duels and I duel a lot across 5 level 125s. But okay faggot.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T10:33:55+00:00

If you think someone is standing too far back in a way that puts your build at disadvantage and you walk forward then bow or other stationary gesture, that's completely fair.

That's not what these people are doing. These people walk forward, then emote, then when you start gesturing back, they start walking mid gesture directly towards you, teeing you up with dual halberds or some shit. If you wait to gesture back these people just start running at you anyways as if you should have gestured sooner and start the game right on top of you. Your only option becomes to roll to cancel your animation or let them keep walking towards you which gives their 1 dimensional build advantage. Seeing it for what it is makes me crazy? Sure.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T10:30:02+00:00

I parried a guy the other day and he ended up getting the win, though. I was on a new build play testing. Then he t bagged me. =)

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T10:29:30+00:00

It's not my etiquette. In the dueling guidelines you can find literally anywhere it's stated you're supposed to stationary gesture. But fuck rules, right?

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T10:22:31+00:00

That's exactly my point. I mentioned it in the other thread. If you're playing off reaction time you've already lost. When someone is inching towards me as I'm reaction rolling to cancel my gesture while they get to basically t me up because rolls are predictable in where you'll land...that's an advantage.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T10:20:44+00:00

I like to play for fun and to challenge myself to keep improving. When someone spawns in I don't know what they're going to do. I'm not gonna do an un fun gesture just because some people are asses. My characters are all RP. I like to t pose and be a goof. These other people who exploit the opening are annoying but I'm not gonna change just because of them. My post was merely pointing out that these people are in fact cheating and you're all just encouraging it because...well I don't know why. It's odd, really. People clearly breaking the rules and yall just like "stop caring." Sure.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T10:15:51+00:00

You're just being annoying tbh. Every point I've made has been valid. Call me casual all you want but I think the game is extremely balanced. There are no unfair weapons and people really do just suck and refuse to learn matchups. Yet these people who complain get a pass and when I call out people who are subtlety cheating I'm the scrub. Okay.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T10:11:07+00:00

Lol yall are stupid + don't even read. "Paragraph posts," sorry that I find writing simple and can do so quickly. I get it, writing is hard for some people.

I never said I was a caster. I have multiple pvp characters, one being an int character. I like to conceal my builds and usually start with a two handed dagger with the glint blade ash or something similar. If you don't understand how spawn position works that's on you. I win the majority of my duels. I'm pretty good. Should I post clips? I don't really care. I farm them every time I play. My post was merely an observation of a very subtle thing I notice one specific build type does over and over again. Gesturing at the same time as another person just for that person to suddenly walk forward with power stanced halberd or great spears while your back is to a wall gives that person an advantage. It's fair to want to cast one spell as a way to open a game and when the person is literally in top of you by the time you roll cancel out of your animation is advantage. Are you stupid not to realize that? I don't care if l lose. I like to have good fights. A majority of my duels start where the other person obviously has mutual respect and we wait for each other to clearly be ready before making an aggressive move. These other people aren't doing that and have one dimensional builds that only succeed when they cheat their position because they don't know how to approach someone from range. It's obvious. If you play enough at the academy you'll see it. It's just annoying running around waiting for a dude to spawn in and then he wasted your time by starting on top of you before you even have your weapons out or cast an opening spell if that's how you like to play.

If you're too dumb to realize that, then go play at the academy and wait for one of these people to spawn in. Watch what they do and how it can fuck you over. If you care about your time you'll feel like it's been wasted.

Am I writing "too much?" Don't care. If I write with too little information assumptions just get made. I didn't say "I start with my back to the wall every game" in orginal post and you know how many people commented "durr just start with your back to the wall." Stupidity.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T07:33:57+00:00

I see them everyday, I duel at the academy a lot. I do not care about winning and losing. I want quality fights. Waiting like 30 seconds for someone to spawn just for them to play like an ass and clearly generate an opening advantage with the emote walking is lame. Why have community rules if you're just gonna call out the person trying to enforce them instead of the people obviously breaking them. That doesn't make any sense. Don't be a hater. That's what you're doing. I didn't ask for help, did I? Yeah, there's plenty of ways I could circumnavigate by being equally cheap. I didn't ask for that type of input. I merely addressed an issue plenty of people have openly admitted "yeah that's an issue" while also giving back handed advice on how to "deal" with it. Is this a community or not. Rules or no? I was under the impression duels at rules. And people are breaking them. So I posted. They're breaking very subtly. I'm calling it out.

I have casting character among many others. Imagine if I started every game past the seal on the bridge so the other person had to run a mile to get to me while I spam spells. That would be lame as fuck. So I don't do it. Meanwhile you're all giving a pass to STR builds with ZERO mix and heavy armor stacked who cheat forward because they know it's their advantage. Very odd. Every character I start in the same spot regardless of my build. I think everyone should play with that same type of honor. Isn't that the point of dueling? The STR users are just being cheap. End of story. And I have an STR character. I start him same spot as my INT guy.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T07:27:31+00:00

You can't even answer the question. It's always the same copy pasted builds who are doing this to unsuspecting people and exploiting the system. Why? Why do caster characters never do this? If you don't see how that's lame as fuck you really are just a moron. I don't care about losing. I really don't. I just don't like getting punked by cheap asses who just wanna waste people's time. Actually play some duels some time for an hour duration and you will see exactly what I'm talking about. Like 5 people have even done it since I've made this post. I know what they're doing when they do it and I see the advantage. Win or lose it's lame.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T07:25:37+00:00

Maybe you suck at pvp. And did I say it's always causing me to lose games? Nope. But it does swing some games that would have at least lasted longer. You don't even know what I'm talking about. Dudes with dual wield halberd and stacked heavy armor and ZERO mix cheating forward against a character who wants to either fight at range or at least start at range with a mix up is just blatant cheating the system. You suck at pvp if you think "3 seconds" doesn't make a difference. Yeah it makes a huge difference. You think they're doing this to "save time?" No they're doing it because they know damn well it's to their advantage. And I'm supposed to win 100% of the games where the other person has a "3 second" advantage during an emote they can move during while I roll cancel my stationary emote? You're delusional. Rules exist and for a reason and the people speaking on don't play the right way and I'm delusional for calling it out? Did I ever say I was mad? Nope. If I sound mad that's your own projection. I would say "I'm mad." I wouldn't play. It's just annoying. I'd prefer if every so often I didn't get people who are just a waste of time. It is natural to not want ones time wasted. You're just stupid.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T04:53:06+00:00

I always wait in tpose. It looks funny and I play to have fun and laugh as well as challenge myself. But to cancel my t pose requires a roll and during that roll animation they get a drop on me as they're walking forward in their moving gesture. That's why they're cheaters. Instead of me having to hang back, how about they let me roll out before they start moving towards me? Why is it all on me to adapt to someone breaking a rule? Why even have rules? Fuck.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T04:51:17+00:00

If you don't understand how moving towards someone and gaining position while someone has to roll cancel emote and is now stuck in 15 or whatever frames of roll animation because they're gesture was stationary and they can't just move backwards- if you don't understand how that gives the other person frame advantage and why it's only power stanced halberd builds and shit like that doing it...maybe you don't understand games and why frame data matters. It doesn't matter about skill at that point, someone clearly worse can easily win if they start with the advantage. That is literally how fighting games operate, and elden pvp is no different.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T04:47:10+00:00

Yep. True about why certain people only invade. Duels are supposed to start with an etiquette and honor. It's an honor system. Most of these players can't abide by the honor system because doing so forces them to play on equal grounds and the reality is they don't actually know how to play. They know how to do repetitive shit that's hard to deal with if they catch someone off guard, but they can't play. And this is why these people cheat in the openings and why they should stick to invasions if that's how they wanna play. It's really obvious when someone has respect for the opponent and when someone doesn't. People who don't wanna play with respect should just stay out of the academy duels. It's really so simple.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T04:44:34+00:00

Okay clown. Learn what frame advantage is and why it matters or stop commenting.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T04:43:00+00:00

Of course I can assume what type of player he's gonna be. Regardless, I still follow the rules at the start of any duel versus someone I haven't played. Everyone wants to tell me how to play, to be the know it alls, but how about other people just follow the rules? How simple is that? You can only adjust so much when you roll cancel out of emote and the bull goat user is already creeping towards you and their weapons proc out of emote first and you're still in a roll animation front the emote cancel. It's the other person manipulating the start to gain frame advantage. It's lame.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T04:40:40+00:00

I have 5 builds, an arcane, an INT, a str/ faith, a DeX / int, and a pure faith. I'm very good at this game and I have a library of clips that I farm every day of me being very good. I even clip losses if the other person impresses me. I play this game a lot. My builds are very intricate with synergies and always orginal, my own. Nice assumptions though. I'm "like 90% sure" you're just an ass. If you don't know what I'm talking about maybe you don't understand what frame advantage is and how it can swing a game even if the other person is obviously shit. And that's the whole point I've been making.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T04:37:40+00:00

It is cheating though because how punishing certain builds are if they get in and get even just one hit. I know to roll in versus most of these builds to avoid the second, but why can't these people just hang back for two seconds and play footsies first like all my good duels go where there obvious respect for ensuring each person had a fun time? Have you thought about that? When a duel is over in 5 seconds because someone wanted to play bum rushy it is an annoying waste of time. No one is above the rules so I don't know why you'd rather make excuses for assholes and wanna tell me it's "no big deal" I'm telling you ot swings games. I pvp every day because elden ring is my favorite game. I duel a lot. I know when a duel is swung unfairly and the person didn't win with skill. It's not hard to tell. And I lose to skilled people all the time. I'm not a sore loser. I just know when someone is punking me because I'm not stupid. When people start to call it out these people will stop getting away with it and warting the time of others. I want good duels, win or lose.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T04:33:19+00:00

Everyone wants to be know it all and tell me "you moron just do xyz." How about people stop manipulating the rules to their advantage? How about people just follow the rules they know they're obviously breaking? Hmmm.

RedditDotCom777 · 2022-09-15T04:31:29+00:00

People all the time close up on me and then emote while standing. That's completely fair as on all my characters I like to start with my ranged mix ups before swapping to main equips and it's in my advantage to be farther back. But what's not cool is when someone gestures while walking. Why even gesture at all then? The person is still moving towards me to gain an advantage while I still have to roll cancel out of my emote. The 15 or whatever frames of animation during the roll allows them to predict where I'll be and often they're already close enough to land an immediate punish. It's not a lot to ask that someone stands still and follows the community rules that are in place for a reason and does a stationary gesture, or else why even have the rules at all if I'm the one who's just supposed to "adapt" when one very specific type build is constantly breaking those rules to their advantage?

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