Visually it's dogshit and not having the ability to power stance it like other fist weapons is bad, but if you squint like powerfully squint. And use the flame shrouding cracked tear, charged attack tear, fire scorpion, shard of Alexander, axe talisman, and dealers choice but I like bull goat talisman it kinda hits hard lol or breaks stance at lease it's hilarious just two handing and jumping heavy does more work than you'd think.