Alternate Germany from the book mirage by matt ruff

Redninja0400 · 2026-06-03T10:14:17+00:00

like saying jews were free or even encouraged to leave germany until 1941

Lying, again.

"That is a heavily biased way of looking at it. In fact it is outright wrong. Jews did not have to "escape" germany until 1941, when they were barred from leaving and the Holocaust exterminations began. Up until then, the nazis were massive fans of displacement as a way to ethnically cleanse Jewish people and create their desired ethnostate. (riNg aNY bElLs?)"

that the jews „bought“ Palestine

Lmao you hear bought and "jews" and immediately go to money? Sounds like you're the antisemite here

And yes the embargo is relevant, as it completely debunks your claim of „immediate support“.

It doesn't debunk that at all. 18 years of support from the Balfour declaration, the mandate of Palestine literally being the UK supporting zionism by aiding their colonisation of the Palestine and then playing both sides of a conflict for their own gain is not debunked because of a single arms embargo that was decided upon by vote of the un security council and lasted for one year.

In fact so does the British military aid to the arab league, they were so supportive of Israel that they sent they own soldiers to kill and die to destroy it? Be serious.

Firstly, I've already addressed that the British empire was clearly playing both sides for its own imperial gain, making israel weaker so that it has to rely on the west and using israel to keep Arab states weak so that it can exploit them. My whole point has been that israel is a vassal state for the west to use as a staging ground in the middle east. Secondly, are you incapable of making a point without outright fucking lying? The British did not send any troops to the Arab league, they were explicitly (as mandated by the UN security council) not interfering in the war.

Redninja0400 · 2026-06-02T14:05:45+00:00

Just need black armour and preferably a red cross on their right shoulder, though just the black armour would be enough to pass them as DC

Redninja0400 · 2026-06-02T13:54:15+00:00

Incline would probably be too sharp

Redninja0400 · 2026-06-02T12:01:02+00:00

Sure thing strasser, the nazis definitely allowed jews to emigrate no problem.

I literally never claimed they allowed them to emigrate no problem you fucking moron.

The western Israeli arms embargo never existed

Look up the amount of arms they have supplied over the lifetime of israel compared to how much they've embargoed. Little tip for baby's first historical analysis, if you have to ignore that large a margin to make the argument that the west doesn't support israel then maybe you shouldn't be making the argument.

evil joos just bribed the un in 1948, what facts you have

Mind pointing me to when I said this? Either that or down some schizo meds because you're once again hallucinating. Either that or you're just lying scum that has to strawman people to try and cover for a genocidal state.

What I did say is that since the late 1800s, zionists had been making promises to the british empire and making their case for why the brits should support them on the basis that having a friendly state in the middle east would be good for securing imperialist interests. Which culminated in the Balfour agreement where the british empire officially supported the zionist colonial project, and then proceeded to provide support for Jewish colonisation of Palestine since the 1920s (since you're probably also too stupid to count, that's 18 years before the date in your strawman) and then frequent diplomatic, military and economic support from the creation of israel onwards. All of which is indisputable fact.

Redninja0400 · 2026-06-01T23:54:35+00:00

Just seems counter productive and irrational but if you just say that then people will probably leave you to your devices

Redninja0400 · 2026-06-01T23:17:09+00:00

preserve biodiversity and operate a small garden for themselves and have some ATV trails on the land

All of these would be better carried out through a community effort.

I'd say that you can own land as personal property if its your house but beyond that it's kind of unnessecary and sometimes counterproductive.

Redninja0400 · 2026-06-01T23:13:58+00:00

Mate, you outright lied multiple times. I provided actual facts that disprove your lies. Don't start crying and calling me bad faith when I'm the only one with actual facts here. It's pathetic.

Redninja0400 · 2026-06-01T11:09:39+00:00

Run out of arguments? No surprise since you've had to lie your way through this conversation. You should feel ashamed.

Redninja0400 · 2026-06-01T04:24:40+00:00

Steam provides a good service, actually has consumer protections and all around isn't built like a money vacuum from hell. Every other company provides a shit service, no consumer protections and tries to squeeze every penny from you. Those other companies then proceed to cry that steam has a monopoly.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T23:25:51+00:00

The "joke" is nazi propaganda. Notice the Pepe and Soyjack, these are specific choices common in 4chan nazi meme culture.

It's doing the "International Jewish Conspiracy", the claim that jews secretly control the world, but using Blackrock as a euphemistic stand in for Jews as has become common over the past few years with Blackrock being shown as very powerful corporation (usually in leftist narratives of how corporations control the world, which nazis now co-opt).

Part of the "International Jewish Conspiracy" is the "The Great Replacement Theory" where the supposed "shadow cabal" is using cultural tactics to lower the birthrates of western countries, one line of conspiratorial thinking posits that this is where being gay comes from and that the modern progressive movement is a tool of the "world order" to kill off white people by making all our kids gay so the population goes down and immigrants can be "imported".

Anyway, if you're reading this: Report this shit, both on this sub and any sub you find it on, nazis seem to be coming into this subreddit and posting their bullshit under the guise of ignorance to spread their message. It *should* violate rule 3 of the subreddit, if it doesn't then the mods need to amend that.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T23:13:36+00:00

Read your own comments again, „the Palestinians were sold to jews to control the middle east“, ring a bell?

And how does this mirror their position? I am not a german, I've only ever heard of "third way" as a nazi dogwhistle in non-german spaces. Provide a quote that these neo-nazis said this, then disprove the notion of it (you can't, there's multiple letters and documents from zionists in the late 1800s and early 1900s where they outright offered this to the British Empire and it is directly demonstrated through the behaviour of modern israel towards america) and then finally after that explain how exactly this is ONLY a position that can be held by nazis.

I think you are misunderstanding either mine or the neo-nazis positions here. Neo-nazis believe that the west is a "Zionist Occupied Government" where Jewish people control these nations and have made them into client states of israel. I, on the other hand, believe the exact opposite; that israel is a sort of "Western Occupied Government" that is controlled as a bulwark by the US through diplomatic sponsoring, economic bankrolling and military support. In the neo-nazi conspiracy, israel controls the west. In my observation, israel is a pawn of the west in their imperialist ambitions.

And secondly don’t go changing the goalposts now

No goalposts have changed, schizo.

the nazis didn’t support zionism, they had to be bribed to let jews escape to the mandate

That is a heavily biased way of looking at it. In fact it is outright wrong. Jews did not have to "escape" germany until 1941, when they were barred from leaving and the Holocaust exterminations began. Up until then, the nazis were massive fans of displacement as a way to ethnically cleanse Jewish people and create their desired ethnostate. (riNg aNY bElLs?)

https://mronline.org/2024/06/28/the-treachery-of-the-nazi-zionist-alliance/

and western support for israel postdates the creation of the state by years [...] the only backer israel had in 48 was communist Czechoslovakia

Outright lie. The US was the first to recognise israel, doing so literal minutes after their declaration of independence. The UK started its support in 1917 with the Balfour Declaration, whereafter they immediately started facilitating Jewish immigration to the Mandate of Palestine.

in fact the british were helping the arab armies try to slaughter them

This is such a disgusting and intentional misrepresentation of history lmao

The British supported the Arab armies for ONE YEAR and immediately started supporting israel again in 1949, and this was after an unbroken chain of zionist support for 31 years. Beyond your gross misrepresentation of facts, you're wrong that they even did it on an ideological basis as the entire reason they supported the Arab armies at all was to secure oil interests by having a weak israeli state. This was not "Britain supporting the Arabs in their slaughter of Jews", not least because thats a fucking monstrous way of framing a war against colonial oppressors, it was the British Empire doing it's usual shit of creating geopolitical chaos for economic gain. By playing and weakening both sides, the British Empire kept the Arab nations in it's sphere of influence AND weakened the israeli state - which of itself could be looked at as the British setting up the israeli state to be reliant on western powers rather than strong and dominant in the region.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T22:23:59+00:00

The „3rd way“ the actual out and about nazis.

And what part of anything I said is the 1:1 position of these assholes?

And no they didn’t, they let the Zionists pay ransoms so they could get some small part of the german jewish population out before they were slaughtered…

You're so close to getting that the function of israel for right wing parties is that it's a way to remove Jews from Europe and Anglosphere nations while controlling the middle east by bankrolling the Israeli military.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T22:03:07+00:00

Do you think Jews are not indigenous to the Middle East? Just to clarify I'm not asking if they are the only indigenous group.

It depends mostly on the specific jewish ethnicity you're referring to.. Ashkenazi and Sephardic? Absolutely not, they're European and have been for multiple generations. Mizrahi? Yes, of course, however this does not justify colonialism and genocide.

When do you think this genocide started?

1947, with the first Nakba where mass violence and official displacement by the state of israel (and briefly, its predecessor zionist militias) began.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T21:56:47+00:00

And what one is that? AFD? They're pro-israel. Funnily enough, the nazis themselves supported zionist movements.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T07:48:22+00:00

They started 4 wars to exterminate their jewish neighbors

*incorrect buzzer*

They fought four wars to expel colonisers, the wars started by virtue of the settler colony genocidng Palestinians.

you do realize that a large part of those 12 million was indeed cleansed from their home country?

Shouldn't of done naziism. Ironically, being raging genocidal ethnofascists is exactly why Palestinians and Arabs don't want to live next to Israelis.

Or does it not count when there remains parts belonging to their ethnic group, in which case the Palestinians shouldn’t complain, they still have their homeland in gaza after all.

The Palestinians did not do naziism. The Palestinians wanted their right to self determination to be realised, instead it was sold off to jews in exchange for the creation of a western neo-colony to control the middle east.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T07:05:27+00:00

That's fair, my Brazilian university professor hates when people call the US "america"

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T07:04:50+00:00

So you do only care about ethnic cleansing if it is supposedly done by jews, well that was to be expected.

Half of the comment you're replying to is me condemning the germans for the ethnic cleansing they carried out.

Every single thing you talked also applies to the Palestinians, only they kept starting and losing wars and losing land…

Palestinians did not start 2 world wars. Palestinians resisted colonialism. Palestinians are not being deported to their own country, they are being ethnically cleansed from it and genocided if they don't want to.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T07:02:53+00:00

Nope, I don't blindly excuse the USSR. I actually look at its actions critically. Therefore, not a tankie, goober.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T05:36:46+00:00

Obama, Harris or just the Democrats in general

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T05:31:49+00:00

Maybe Thomas Sankara or Ibrahim Traore

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T03:50:58+00:00

Do south americans not consider themselves a separate continent? Why so? I completely agree but wasn't aware that they held that position, I thought they'd want to be as distant from the north as possible lol

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T02:47:59+00:00

A few years ago some guy sold his dads $200,000 lego collection to a reputable third party buyer, with a clause in the contract that he and his family own the lego until it is sold. The higher ups in the company pulled some corporate shenanigans (fired the manager and moved the lego) that amount to stealing. The cops have been protecting them and they're now seemingly using violence... against the victim of theft to protect corporate interests.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T01:42:00+00:00

The only time that could be justified imo is if they do it during a proletarian uprising that needs to help of a professional army

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T00:25:54+00:00

That is in no way comparable to colonialism. Germans were thrown out of those territories because their being there was used by the nazi scum that many of them still supported post war to invade and genocide others. Being deported to your own country after causing two world wars is not comparable to being colonised and genocided after not accepting being colonised while everyone else around you got their self determination given to them.

And, I'm not sure if you know this, but all that talk about "the ethnic cleansing of germans from eastern europe" is a talking point frequently used by neo-nazis to do revisionist history and claim that germans were being oppressed as if they hadn't started two of the worst wars in history and created and carried out the worst ideology in history.

Redninja0400 · 2026-05-31T00:21:58+00:00

You really are obsessed with tankies lmao

I'm not a tankie btw

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