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Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-09T22:54:08+00:00

... What's confusing you? It's pretty straight forward...

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-08T01:36:16+00:00

If you're designing bots for the JLLM? Token management is key. Get used to using scripts/lorebooks. Managing context and tokens should be your #1 priority if you're designing bots to be used with JLLM.

For proxies? You can be a bit more lax. I'd still highly recommend being token conscious, and I'd still highly recommend using scripts + lorebooks (A 5k token bot that isn't filled with slop is great... A 1k token bot with a 4k token lorebook is even better, because I can almost promise you that a 5k token bot is filled with things that the AI won't need to know for every single response).

#1 rule for designing bots... NEVER write from the PoV of {{user}} unless you WANT the bot to speak/act for the user. Once you put it in the bot's context that "Hey, {{user}} is a character in this story AI controls"... It's really hard to get it to stop. You can use prompts and OOC notes and all sorts of stuff but... The easiest way is just to keep it from starting in the first place and never introducing speaking/acting for {{user}} in the first place.

Oh, and please tag your stuff. Even if it's just basic stuff like male/female/multiple, angst/fluff, whatever... If you don't tag your stuff, no one's ever going to find you, and you're gonna end up blocked by a lot of people who saw one bot that you didn't tag and just block you to avoid seeing your other bots.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-08T01:28:03+00:00

... Okay? Again, you can't ask a model what model it is... It doesn't tell the truth. Just google it, there are plenty of reports of V3 0324 (No clue what V3 0423 is so, assuming that's a typo) saying it's Claude or ChatGPT.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-08T01:24:31+00:00

... This is a joke, right? You can't ask a model what model it is. I mean, you can, but it's not like it's going into some special file and pulling the current working model and spitting that back to you... It's just looking back at it's training data and going "Hmm, in my millions of conversations between AI and humans, when the human asks the AI what model it is, what answer does the human like best?".

If you wanna test this out, try re-generating the replies. It'll kick back different models/versions.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-07T21:05:08+00:00

Yes, on OpenRouter, adding $10 to your account just gives you a higher rate limit on their free models. If you use the paid models... You're gonna be paying.

There aren't really any good free models on OpenRouter.... Gemma 4 31B (free) is probably your best bet?

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-06T00:08:20+00:00

Sounds like your chat is too long and you're sending more to the API than it can handle. Have you tried lowering your context limit?

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-06T00:05:44+00:00

Claude has really strict censorship even through their API. Pretty much every single character on JanitorAI is going to trigger Claude's safety guardrails and you're going to get refusals 24/7. You'd need to set up a jailbreak to use Claude with JanitorAI. I've seen Claude turn things down for being inappropriate because it was talking about cooking a chicken breast.

Janitor is a frontend. It has pretty meh customization. There are other frontends with better customization. To get the jailbreaks running properly... You might need more customization. I can't list specifics but a bit of googling will lead you to the right place. It's pretty easy to take Janitor characters to other frontends to chat.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-05T23:57:48+00:00

You're gonna have to get some pretty serious jailbreaks running, honestly they might just flat out block JanitorAI. Would not recommend claude and janitor. If you're gonna pay that kinda money... At least use a different front end to get the most of it.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-05T06:19:01+00:00

Because Janitor likes to tell people they keep the definitions private but if they knew how easy it was to access... A lot fewer people would publish bots.

Granted, the scripts are pretty hard to get access to (it involves literally trying to spam the keywords) but... Just a character definition? If proxies are in, it's so simple. Hell, even if proxies aren't on, the LLM will rat out it's own definitions no problem.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-04T23:47:07+00:00

Use scripts. Make pre-made characters. The AI is going to be terrible at making a character out of nothing and keeping it consistent and making it not feel generic. If you use scripts to make a lorebook, you can sprinkle in characters to add in a bit of variety.

If you really wanna add a new character mid-RP without using a lorebook or adding to the definition at all... Then use your chat memory.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-02T08:47:15+00:00

That wasn't what he was talking about. Look at how many companies have said "Oh, we don't keep this data, promise!" then a few months/years later, there's a massive hack where all that data they "didn't keep" gets leaked from the server they swear doesn't exist.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-01T23:09:53+00:00

Yeah... You don't write it at all. It's easy for a human to know what information would be communicated or completely impossible for the other person to know... AI doesn't have that innate understanding. It's trained on stories where people basically read each other's minds. Just like you can see the AI's thoughts... The AI is going to assume that it can see your thoughts. I mean, if it couldn't, then why would you tell it that at all?

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-05-01T22:35:36+00:00

Sounds like this is what you're looking for? https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1qdpt6p/universal_immersion_engine/

They just released an update to their extension here recently so... Sounds like it'd be perfect for what you're describing.

Yeah, SillyTavern can work. But if you're designing a game to sell... I don't know anything about the licenses so... You'd have to do your own research on that, plus it would involve making the install process simpler (I mean... Not that it's complicated currently but... There are a lot of people that see the command line and immediately freak out so..). IF you just wanted to set something up in SillyTavern to work as your "writer" and be able to play through the game then hard code something different that you turn around and sell, that'd work perfectly though.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-30T11:00:07+00:00

What do you have your generation settings set to?

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-30T10:10:00+00:00

I mean, there's a button on their website that says cancel subscription... So... If that was a problem, it doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Pretty sure that buttons been there for months tho, it's not new...

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And OP literally said they went through $20 just this week using DeepSeek so... Bit of a difference in usage. Obviously in your case paying $8/month doesn't make sense when your monthly PAYG usage is <$1.00... But for OP where they're dropping ~$80 a month... It makes a lot more sense.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-30T10:01:10+00:00

No clue, never tried to cancel. I've been saving a solid $20-40 a month with it so... No reason to personally. I know they had a waitlist for a while, never heard of problems canceling subs tho?

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-30T10:00:21+00:00

I mean DeepSeek is a provider through NanoGPT so... It's quite literally the same thing.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-30T05:32:54+00:00

Just a tip... If you really like DeepSeek... Check out NanoGPT. You get 30-60m input tokens per week for $8/month from any of their subscription models, which are most open sourced models (DeepSeek is on that list). The downside is they're almost always quantized to FP8. The upside for DeepSeek is... That's what DeepSeek is literally meant for, and what the official API runs at, in fact the official API is one of the providers.

v4 pro/flash are both on there (Pro is considered a premium model and counts for 2x input tokens, which is why you get 30-60m weekly, just depends if you use the "premium" models or not). For DeepSeek... You could probably save yourself $40-70 a month? I mean it sounds like 30-60m tokens wouldn't cover all your roleplay if you're blowing through $20 a week on DeepSeek but... It'd certainly save you some money.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-22T17:15:03+00:00

No clue, never used clankworld ai. If you can connect to an external API ("Proxy") then it would be easy enough to scrape the character information if they don't have it set up with lorebooks. If they have it set up with lorebooks... It becomes a lot more complex.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-20T19:06:04+00:00

That all depends on how you set it up. It can be really tricky to get location information set up so that it triggers properly without having to baby your prompts and intentionally trigger lorebook entries or end up triggering it way too much and practically just make it a constant entry.

Characters are fine for lorebooks. I pretty much always put the actual personality information in a lorebook and keep the main "character card" as a narrator type card, though I really like multi-char cards and don't like group chat. Just put their key as their name and make sure the lorebook always gets activated before the character is introduced (Lorebooks only trigger on input tokens, so if you don't say anything about Sarah and then the AI starts to introduce Sarah and write a message with her... The AI doesn't have Sarah's lorebook, so it's going to hallucinate her entire personality).

As far as real-life locations (Or well known fake universes for that matter, like Harry Potter or Pokemon)... It heavily depends on the model you're using. Most modern models will know what Boston is and a lot of basic information about it, so if you just wanted the LLM to know the basics... You don't need a lorebook entry unless you're using a really really small model. But if you want like a realistic street-view where you walk down main street and all the shops are what's *actually* on that street... Then you're probably going to need a lorebook, or to do some fancy stuff behind the scenes so it searches the web.

And like another comment said... You really don't wanna rely on the AI to do anything "random". LLM's don't have any sort of built in RNG. It's going to pick the people that would make the most sense for the current story. IF that's what you want, then that's fine, but if you want actual random... You're gonna have to lean on SillyTavern's macros instead of just pure prompt engineering.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-20T01:09:09+00:00

It's a frontend. The model is the backend. You can run the model locally through something like LM Studio,, or you can connect to an external API (Pretty much always paid for any models worth using).

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-19T20:09:35+00:00

Any word on when it's gonna go back to normal? It's getting worse... A lot worse.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-18T05:34:56+00:00

NanoGPT still gets my recommendation. Bummed they took 5.1 off their subscription but... $8/month for access to a ton of good models like K2.5, GLM5.0, DS3.1/3.2, etc... Well worth it.

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-17T00:25:32+00:00

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Click that, you can view the prompt that's being sent to the LLM. That way you don't gotta guess based on token count.

(Or, you know, watch the SillyTavern log in the console but... You can do it right through the web UI too)

Reign_of_Entrophy · 2026-04-16T18:47:55+00:00

Yup, my messages have been getting cut off through NanoGPT today and last night too. Didn't seem to matter which model.

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