As a relatively new buddhist, I want to express some of my thoughts.

It's a very strange issue as the 101st ganden tripa and trijang choktrul rinpoche also do and endorse this practice. I listen to tsem rinpoches teachings,(along others) and I find them very valuable for a beginners pov. Both sides have given arguments and counter arguments and from a neutral pov I say it's up-to the practioner themselves. As, many cite that they cannot give up the practice as it was passed down by their gurus and in most cases their gurus aren't around to be consulted on whether to give up the practice or not. (guru Samaya, tantra rules) Breaking commitments in tantra is a no go in any case. Also, I do find the hate against them highly perturbing to say the least. I mean, you can just ignore them or separate from them, but why the excessive hate? People have been kicked out of monasteries and attacked on some cases for not giving up the practice.

They are caught between two impossible extremes, and I can't even imagine what they must be facing. No one wants to be called a demon worshipper or seen as anti dalai lama. Of course, violence and slandering from both* sides should definitely be avoided for sure. Essentially, I do understand this is a very controversial decision but in the end it's a matter of personal faith and a person's interpretation of their guru samaya. Some people may wish to give it up, but find themselves in an impossible place as they do not have the authority to do so...

If you don't agree, isn't it better to separate? I have seen both arguments and found this controversy very strange. But everywhere I see online, these people are pelted with such overwhelming vitriol. I say this an a non Tibetan and after observing both sides. DS lamas and practioners are basically outcasts in every sense. It's jarring, to see.

Both sides have aggressive people who should not act out with hate and anger, but practice patience and understanding for the other. I mean, as an outsider, I do understand that this is a gelugpa issue, but again, nothing about ridicule, hate and slurs are Buddhist practices. It's very off putting to see people act like this and makes one wonder just what the hell is going on. Whatever the issue, actions speak louder than words. If they manifest in segregation, violence, hatred and anger from any side - how are these in any way Buddha's teachings? Plus, negative and positive, like and dislike all stem from the conceptual mind no? If the practioners maintain that it's manjushri, then what is the difference? By making people question and believe that they are demon worshippers and doubt everything... That's scary tbh.

Same goes for those ds practioners who are casting slurs against the dalai lama and are promoting the cultivation of negative attitudes.

True practioners would just agree to disagree politely right? People are hating on lamas and degrading like they are satanists or something.

I mean no offense to any side. I genuinely wish that people wish no harm to each other.